Minutus

Taken from his memoir, The Art of the Deal (on domination and control).

How Trump trumped…
“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can get very excited by those who do. That is why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest, the greatest and the most spectacular.” Donald J. Trump
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 5:06 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] RFK JR to work witih Trump on Vaccine Issues
once again, Tanya, I hate to see it from you. You are going on what the media is saying.

Trump has met with Andrew Wakefield and others concerned about vaccine dangers (and I do know them perosonally). Trump is concerned. I suggest that we will all find out at some point that his youngest son is on the Spectrum.
You don't know Trump, I don't know Trump but I know those who have met with him and know what is happening behind the scenes.

I'm Hillary or Sanders or Stein would never have met with them and have no concerns about the vaccine harm that is rampant.

Many things are said about vaccines by those who know the dangers, in order to get their message across.
Sheri
At 01:08 PM 1/11/2017, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases

I hope our study group here is not going to do what the hatemongers are trying to do to the United States, divide people up.

No one is perfect, we all have our defects, but it is time to give Donald Trump a chance and stop the dividing.
As for me, the campaign contributions tell the story,
Big Pharma has enjoyed a license to do what they pleased.

I do not like the idea of big pharma contributing to campaigns and owning the candidate.

I answered you on this, this morning, Soroush. I told you then that I do not get your point as to what this supposedly is saying and I still do not get the point. What he said in this quote is absolutely understandable to me and I find nothing offensive about it or troubling in any way. He is explaining how he makes a deal. I did the same thing when I was doing deals and so do thousands of others who understand the art of negotiation. This is a natural, effective, and intelligent thing to do.
Anyone who finds this offensive should stay miles away from any business dealings as that person would not easily be successful.

Hi Allen,
When "playing to people's fantasies" gets to be at odds with "discussing the facts", then it has taken "deal making" into the territory of "manipulation and deceit".
Sometimes the two are *not* at odds. But when they are, what does the "deal maker" do? Do they acknowledge the issues, and explore to find a resolution which is both acceptable to each side, based on the facts? Or do they "feint and dodge", pushing for the deal to be closed before the other person has realized that they're being sold a bill of goods--or even an outright lie? Allen, I assume that you are in the first category. Trump, though, does appear to be firmly in the second. I say this based on what I have read about e.g. his business bankruptcies (which he came out of fine, though his creditors went through the wash), and the several fraud cases against him, and his refusal to show his tax records, and his various "sham" businesses.
There's nothing wrong with "making a deal". But lying and manipulation in order to get there, and making deals that you know will harm the other party -- *that* is toxic.
Shannon

Shannon--I think what you are saying, simply, is that you can negotiate in good faith, openly and honestly, or you can manipulate and play a game in order to get your way. Trump is the manipulator type and he brags about it. He will play, and cajole, and do whatever it takes; ie, he is machiavellian and not a decent person. His values are trash, gutter living and that is where he grew up and that is what he values.

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Respectfully, Shannon, I will disagree with you. I do not think he is saying that he is going to cheat anyone. I believe "playing to one's fantasies" is just that. A lot of people want to get in on the big deals and in NYC there are plenty of those to go around. If someone tells someone else that what they are dealing with is potentially a big deal, especially if it is, then that is just part of the negotiations. Trump is a man of vision and he can often see things that others cannot. I did the same thing for a number of years and I usually would see things that others could not. When I tried to share my vision with them, most often they could not understand what I was talking about. Thus, I became very independent and worked alone for the most part. I became known for what I could do with a junked up building and was like Trump on a smaller scale as I started out with a borrowed $10,000 and nothing more. I paid that back and made a whole lot more. And like Trump, I had many people - usually of the political left - who had no idea of what I was doing or why I had to run things in a businesslike way. Some of those people said things about me that were not true out of sheer ignorance or even jealousy as they could not do or even understand what I was doing. I learned more valuable lessons from those things especially how to take abuse without letting it bother me.

I do not know about Trump's bankruptcies and I cannot judge someone on what I do not know. If he failed to pay people, that is not good, but I know that he always followed the law as it was written. If he did not pay taxes some years, it is because that is how the law is written. If he cheated people, that might be different. I do not know for sure that Trump has done any such thing but if he has, it will catch up with him some day - in this world or the next.
Donald Trump has one major thing going for him that the other candidates did not. He is not Hellary. I know a lot of people do not understand this but she is a very dangerous and very evil person. All one has to do is to research online what she is all about - not on the tv news - and one will see just how evil she is. She is a murderer and a major thief, totally outside of the law. She and Bill Clinton were groomed by the CIA to assume positions of power. They ran drugs in Arkansas while he was governor and routinely murdered people with impunity or had the CIA do it for them. obama's is a similar story and he grew up in a totally fake and scripted environment, tutored by America hating communist and racist, Frank Marshall Davis who is likely his real father. That is where obama learned his disdain for America and why he has been working to destroy it through overspending. (See "Cloward-Piven strategy) His mother and grandparents were communists and were also CIA assets. obama's gay lovers were murdered in Chicago to keep them from talking. He was a regular drug user and snorted cocaine with Larry Sinclair, a man who was a gay pickup of obama. Sinclair told all but the CIA press did not care and did not report on any of these things.
I tell you these things to demonstrate that we ought not to be focusing on Trump's little quirks. Trump is not CIA, a communist, or a traitor to his country. All those mentioned above are all of those things.
Trump, like everyone else, is imperfect but I believe he is going to work on taking down the globalists. If he is successful, the world will be a better place. Imperfect as he is, no one else ever said the first word about doing what he wants to do. For me, that is all I need to make my decision. Let him do his job and give America a chance to be great gain - without the endless wars and crimes of the globalists and their spawn.

Your perspective is interesting Allen, I will give you mine. Before I even kne homeopathy was still practiced n today's world I was. Contented and very poor farmer with a great educational background in Botany, zoology, geology and the arts. I got recruited last minute as a candidate for the governing body in my town. They needed a person to replace a candidate who had had unsuccessful surgery. In a political coup I narrowly slid into that spot against the good old boys. My town was designated a high density growth zone - and I was a tree hugging naturalist. There was a lot of money to be made and I was not cooperating.

I agonized for or maybe with Trump during this farce of a campaign as that is what they did to me for almost 10 years. I would not back down, did not sell my office and never took a payoff. The people always supported me but I was constantly attacked by a bias press and a machine that had an agenda.

For example I questioned the county jail food budget when they came in saying they had the per capita food costs down to $1.25 a day per inmate. I asked if there was any nutrition in the food. Headlines the next day in the local newspaper said "Bohle Coddles Criminals!"

Been there, done that and it almost killed me! Got Lyme disease, on antibiotics for 3 years and homeopathy saved my life! I became a homeopath and yes am still a farmer.

They would not be after Trump so bad if he was on the take, if he would play ball with them and if he would toe the republican line.

He didn't take their blood money, he doesn't owe campaign contribution favors and I am praying for the best for both the USA and peace to our world.

Maria - That was good to hear and I especially liked the part about coddling criminals - as if they don't need to eat decent food. The world loves to misconstrue everything in order to preserve its own darkness and deceit. I have been called a racist and a fascist many, many times by low information people who know nothing about me but are programmed to do such things by the world system which controls them. They are doing the same thing to Trump, either not realizing or not caring that to do that type of thing only serves to separate people from each other and leads to violence, injury, and even death of those who become the targets of the hatred those words generates.

On January 20, there are lunatics across the US who plan to stir up violence in their childish "protests" against the "racist, fascist" Trump. You can be sure that some people will be injured and most likely someone will die while all this is going on. And it is always the same source for all the lies and disinformation. It is the natural result of an evil system that wants to propagate itself at any cost, even to the point of sacrificing those who get in its way. Our first amendment gives us all the right to speak freely but no one has the right to lie and slander another. Such things will always lead to confrontation, violence, and death.
Small town farm life sounds very good to me right now. I would love to just escape to that kind of peaceful place and leave all the lies and fighting behind.

Compare "Our first amendment gives us all the right to speak freely but no one has the right to lie and slander another" with "They ran drugs in Arkansas while he was governor and routinely murdered people with impunity or had the CIA do it for them" and " His mother and grandparents were communists and were also CIA assets. obama's gay lovers were murdered in Chicago to keep them from talking. He was a regular drug user and snorted cocaine with Larry Sinclair, a man who was a gay pickup of obama"

I thought homeopaths were supposed to be unbiased, objective observers.....Yes, I know, I am asleep, zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

There is no lie or slander in anything I said. All are true and provable and to suggest that the American people do not have the right to know of the criminal behavior of those who claim the tight to rule them is incorrect from the start. Anyone who wants to know these things can find them online. obama knows these things but will never do anything about it. obama is a felon many times over as are the Clintons and Bushes but no one before Trump ever said that they would bring these miscreants to justice.
That is why they have been trying so desperately to destroy Trump. Never in history have we seen suc an orchestrated campaign to overturn the will of the American people in selecting their president or any other office holder.
Yes, you are asleep.
Lie - an untruth

Slander - calumny - an untruth
I stand by everything I said. If it is not true, I will not say it.