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ICT explanation continued - questions

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:04 am
by Hennie Duits
Suppose you give a patient a remedy and he/she says – "I wish I had this
remedy 20 years ago, because now, I feel *so* good, I can handle
everything, eating, sleeping, concentration, mood, sense of humour,
well, everything is *so* much better" (and this continues to be so for
years). If so, would it be possible that, more or less by accident, this
patient had been given his/her ICT remedy? And if so, how to be sure?

Would you say that a certain mental/emotional ‘pattern’ could (also) be
part of the ICT? For instance, a cat/cow/whatever not inclined to
socialising/definitely preferring to be ‘on it’s own’? ( I think you
mentioned this.) But then, this is something that could change over
time, well, at least in humans (or maybe not really?)

Regarding what you said about the narrow gene pool for cheetahs – so it
would be wise to breed cheetahs from parents having the maximum possible
different ICT characteristics, right?

Could it be that ‘infertility’ for/in a couple in fact means
non-matchable ‘cans of genes’?

Hennie
Op 21-9-2015 om 20:09 schreef Shannon Nelson shannonnelson@tds.net
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Re: ICT explanation continued - questions

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:54 am
by Irene de Villiers
SUre it would be possigble, and one would need to chack to be sure - aganst te known characteristics from my research for that reedy and also look at a list of rubrics fort hat remedy to see how it fits..in Radar software for example.
It definitely is, yes.
For example Phos is a social butterfly, Lach needs to be the queen, Sep is a loner. and so on.
Yes and no.
For example some ICTs are shy as youngsters and outgoing as adults - but the trend is fixed for the ICT in health.
Disease may cause transient changes - but the normal inherited form is the ICT designator.

Even transient disease changes are ICT-related.
For example China when ill will hide, but Ignatia when ill, will still want to see outside (else they get depressed).
Yes exactly.
Possibly but I suspect not usually. It may invole an ICT with a tendency to fertility issues.
Sepia for example. (If so these issues come right after ICT is used.)

Namaste,
Irene

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Re: ICT explanation continued - questions

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:29 am
by Carol Orr
I think there must be some kind of gem in the information in the fact that a
platinum ICT would not have the delusion that everyone "seemed" smaller to
them....since this is a literal fact(though some circumstances might put them
in that delusion related to some ego issues). So there must be other
connections to literal facts as opposed to delusions. The problem with this
field for me is I am not sure what questions to ask. I'd like to know more
about lachesis being short and overweight. Are they always overweight? A
shorter person or at least man may have to prove himself in some way to
compensate for the shortness...is that why lachesis can be competitive? Was
Napoleon a lachesis? Are they fat all over or just in specific areas. Is the
weight another way to increase their stature? Am I way off base?

Re: ICT explanation continued - questions

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:52 pm
by Irene de Villiers
I agree.
There will likely be other misinterpretations in provings, due to the ICT of the prover rather than the feature of the remedy.
So, essetially each remedy needs context for its proving.
Plat needs the context of their extreme size. There may be other examples of extremes, not only size extremes, easy to misinterpret from the viewer's non-extreme perspective with regard to an extreme feature.
Ah but who says there is ego involved? It is an assumption as far as I can tell, with regard to Plat.
Plat types are proud of their achievements and work hard for them, but they do not look downo others with less achievement, quite the contrary, they respeect all, - so not a sign of ego at all much less the implied condescention in place of physical looking down.
Yes. I have seen a few, it is not that often but they do matter.

............
Questions to find an ICT or questions about something else?
They are neither.
Well, Lach is listed as capable of obesity along with 147 other types, but no ICT s autoatically i ill health of any kind.
Lach has a relatively short torso and longer legs. They are not small at all though. They are average size at least, and are quite stronly built, and heavier t han they look, not light boned.
No ICT is normally overweight.
Yes you are off base for Lach :-)
Lachesis types always know they are the queen bee, and act accordingly, expecting appropriate deference.
But they are highly intelligent and so long as they are greeted first (which really matters to them) , they can manage to be other than top dog, like maybe second in command - to a much more powerful individual.
Once they decide on something they feel strongly about however, they will be absolutely inflexible about it.
(My way or the highway)
A caveat is -they are easily distracted and that is the best way to steer a lach type away from whatever they are getting het up about.
They are not competitve, they do not need to be as they are already the queen bee. They know that - no need to prove it :-)
(The small but competitve one is Nux-v.)
Lach is rigid about some things, timing matters for example - they will not be late for responsibilities. They are interesting parent types, what I call "career types" who are like clockwork to attend to a baby but they do it super fast and efficiently and then get on with life till the next feed is due.
If they do not get their way in somethig that matters to them, they will look at you with the expression only a Lach has, which seems to look right through you as opposed to at you. A "Lach look" straight at you, is a warning - it means "do it my way or else" ( else I shall strike whatever way I can till I do get it my way).
They can get chubby, but it does not often happen.
Here are Lach cats to see what I mean about eyes that seem to look through you rather than at you, and these are not doing the "Lach warning look".... this is their relaxed look!
And the next one is only a kitten!
Note: Grey and white is common for Lach cats but they are not all this color, nor is this color always Lach.
(In cats, grey is a black gene plus a dilution gene to "dilute" the black to grey. In practice the fur has black pigment laid down at an angle so the light reflects grey instead of black. White fur has pigment cells without pigment in them.)

Namaste,
Irene
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Re: ICT explanation continued - questions

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:23 am
by Carol Orr
Irene...the comment about Lach being short and overweight was said by you in
regard to making a decision on the similimum for a women between ars and
lach. I assumed that was part of the ICT...but it was not. Sorry about that.
But thank you so much for that picture of lachesis which I've never heard but
was very informative.

Are there correlations between d'adamo's fingerprint analysis and whether the
pointer finger is longer or shorter than the ring finger and all his other
calculations about leg lengths, etc?

This seems so important that until all of us have a blueprint for naming the
top ten remedies or so...life doesn't seem worth living. Right now I'm looking
at everyone who has narrow hips and a long back and I keep my measuring tape
in my pocket. By the way...when measuring the chest...is it done from
underneath the breasts?

Do you have a ICT in mind for someone who is short...5'2"....where any fat
goes to the belly...and who has always had larger arms than the rest of the
body.

Also...is hairiness of body parts significant...like on the toes and fingers
or just generally lots of hair all over....the arms and legs and back, etc.

Skin coloring?

Excessive skin sensitivity...thin skinned enough to have a reaction to
anything rubbing against the skin?

The different looks that you mentioned...as looking through you...do you mean
like seeing into your soul or a distracted look of thinking of something
entirely unrelated to the situation as you look into someone's eyes.

The messiness of a sulphur type....where you say they are unaware of their
mess....My dad was extremely messy and had breakfast on his mustache or shirt
before he went to teach....but if you touched his messes...of books and papers
and stuff..he would get very upset...one of the few things that upset
him...like within that mess...he understood where things were. Is that still
suphur?

So as a group...are we concentrating on Lycopodium? If so, what is the
underlying reasoning for the well known but maybe not even true idea that
lycopodiums have a fear of not being able to perform even though their
performances are usually fine? Or the oft quoted picture of their being not so
nice to family members and friendlier to those outside the family....or at
least those they feel have a one upmanship on them like their bosses, etc.

Re: ICT explanation continued - questions

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:40 pm
by Irene de Villiers
Ah, it is relative.
Lach is short compared to Ars.
And Lach is stocky/broad compared to Ars also.
Perhaps my exact wording could have been better.
I would assume so, but I have not looked into it. I have studied the easy features to find for cats mostly, then looked for corroborraton of the feasturesx seen in cats, in other speies, so cat fingerprints were not on that list.
:-)
It needs to be quite a lot more than ten at the top.
Yes you want the ribcage shape. How flat or deep it is - the cross section shape i more relevant than the measurement.
For example Sulf is relatively flat front to back but Puls is relativey long front to back.
Lyc has a substantial chest width, and not shallow, but has very narrow hips.
at what age?
Sepia has fat in the belly when born but not as a cild/teenager, and then agan later they have ft in the belly.
Larger around? Large as in long?
THis one I do not know how to answer for humans. Cats are SO different in this hairiness regard. They have shorter and longer fur in specific places and at specific lenghs for different ICTs.
Whatever occurs in cats, I used to confirm other species.
So the ICTs of humans are not completely defined by any means - only enough to identify the ICT from characteristics shared with cats, like ratios of body parts, movement propensities, personality.
Skin coloring is a tricky one. It is separate from fur/hair coloring.
I can not allocate specific colors to specific ICTs at this stage, ay never be able to do so as these are very variable. There is a limited number of colors so ICTs must necessarily share them. It makes color a less usefl characteristic to use. I seek those that are definite, for identification of the ICT - then after that one cn collect all the hair ad skin colors as time goes by, for that ICT.

Often a lot of color genes occur together. Take for example a silver tortie tabby cat.
That has black fur, grey fur, orange fur, cream fur and white fur undercoat. Skin ma be a pale version of each color or may be all white. These colors can occur all in one cat. (The one I had of this color mix was Puls)
The add in pattern genes like mackerel striped, classic striped, marbled, spotted, ticked etc.
Colors are a lot more complex in cats than in people. At least we do not come in stripes and spots (yet).
Skin sensitivity can occur many ways, not only thin skin. It my be allergic responses, or nerve responses.
For example people who cannot wear woool, are not actually allergic to it. They have an excessie pain response to very little stimulus. The microscopic wool protrutions from the fibers wound together, where they stick out a bit at the beginning and ends of the places where they are spun into the yarn, set of the skin's pain receptors. If that person uses a finer fiber, with a tinier diameter of individual fibers, they may be abe to wear it just fine - this occurs if for example they can not wear wool but they can handle superfine alpaca.
As if focused on something behind your head/eyes. It is a very intense expression, when nothing intense is happening.
I wouls not want to use only one feature to choose sulphur, it would need a lot of features, includig build, body ratios, personality etc.
SUlf, while not seeing th eir own mess, can be very fussy about the quality of external things - like wanting the latest iPhone and only liking the best pianists, or being near fnaticabout nutrition or something, and knowing the difference between what is quality and what is not.
Are we?
I am just answering all the questions the best I can, I am not intentionally directing anyone to a specific ICT.
My hope from the exmples, is for understanding of what things go to make an ICT raher than studying aspecific one but I am open to what folks want.
I have not heard that story. The repetory has lyc as one of 45 remedeis that can have stage fright.
But the Lyc personality is one which may well fear new environments or strangers, though tries to hide it wityh bravado.
A healthy lyc has overcome this issue, but a less healthy and well balanced one (due to a lack of loving envirnment that encourages activities ) will show fearfulness.
I do not agree, nor does the repertory.
Lyc can play rougher than they realize as children/kittens. But they tend to be very sweet and friendly personalities with all and sundry. When you see a wild cheetah being frinedly with humans for example, that is often a Lyc cheetah, they are easier to "tame" amd less skittish, always wanting to be sweet. When you see an adult male cat being sweet to kittens (his or others) it is often a Lyc.
Lyc gets out of balance if forced to get on with strangers and new environments without suitable loving support.
I do not see that, Lyc make especially good customer relations people, they are friendly to all.

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."