Minutus

You may have seen this experiment on the Internet. It is a few years old:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienc ... ons207.htm

Impressive, eh? But look very, very closely at Day 1 Purified Water and Day 5 Purified Water. They are EXACTLY the same plant on exactly the same day, without being moved, touched, or anything.

Here is another site, only they looked much closer:

http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave ... asp#photo6

Notice the blinking back and forth from Day 1 and Day 5. I am not a big fan of debunking sites, and I am sure that they think that much of what I say and do is nonsense, but I hate liars even more.

I believe in the reality of structured water, and in the health benefits of structured water. But I hate being lied to even more. So, that study is null and void, kaput, bogus, and meaningless.

Here is another experiment:

http://www.druidicdawn.org/node/2884

This does not mean that microwave ovens are wonderful and we should all put our heads in one and turn it on, for health benefits of course. I think that it does show that microwaving may be a misdemeanor and not a felony. I would still not leave my homeopathic remedies anywhere close to any oven, but I will not be pestering my family about cooking with a microwave.

Don't always believe everything that you read, see, or hear. The rumor mill puts out a lot of nonsense, and this coming from a guy that believes in homeopathy and structured water.

Roger Bird

Don't be so naiive:-)

That is total baloney.
Microwave energy is not radiation, it is heat. Any third g raqde science class will let you know that much.
And yo can micorwave wayter as much as yo like and it will not h urt any plants you water. The only way to cause a problem is to heat water in a container th at leaches toxins into the water. That is caused by HEAT not microwaves.
If yo used such a container in a regular over itw oudl also leach toxins into tha water.

Only an idiot thinks any container is okay in a microwave or oven. If you woudl not use it in an oven, you shoudl also not use it in a microwave. HEAT causes melting of componenets of hte cookware, such a lead from stoneware or other lead based ceramics, and that will get into whatever you heat, in whatever oven you heat it in.
This kind of nonsense experiment has been debunked for decades. Why keep bringing it up.
NO experiment using a microwave is valid u\nless it uses safe cookware.
If it does not - it is the cookware that is at fault - NOT the heat which is all a microwave oven can generate.
It does not generate any toxins or any radiation. THE TOXINS COME FROM THE COOKWARE.
ANY cookware that contains lead or other toxins, WILL leach the toxins into the food if you use such cookware.
We found out in about 1950 that it matters to NOT use toxin containing cookware in a microwave. It is not 2015 and the same rubbish is still being stirred up. Let's get real folks.
Stop reading internet garbage and use REAL science.

Real science would have sensible cookware (pyrex for example) as a prerequisite in any microwave experiments subsequent to 1950.
SO should you require it.

As for Snopes. they have an excellent reputation and it is well deserved.
Notice how THEY repeat the experiment in suitable cookware.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Don't be so naiive:-)

That is total baloney.
Microwave energy is not radiation, it is heat. Any third grade science class will let you know that much.
And you can microwave water as much as you like and it will not hurt any plants you water. The only way to cause a problem is to heat water in a container that leaches toxins into the water. That is caused by HEAT not microwaves.
If you used such a container in a regular over it would also leach toxins into the water.

Only a fool thinks any container is okay in a microwave oven. If you would not use it in a regular oven, you should also not use it in a microwave oven. HEAT causes melting of componenets of the cookware, such a lead from stoneware or other lead based ceramics, and that will get into whatever you heat in that container, no matter whatever oven you heat it in.
This kind of nonsense experiment has been debunked for decades. Why keep bringing it up.
NO experiment using a microwave is valid unless it uses safe cookware.
If it does not - it is the cookware that is at fault - NOT the heat which is all a microwave oven can generate.
It does not generate any toxins or any radiation. THE TOXINS COME FROM THE COOKWARE.
ANY cookware that contains lead or other toxins, WILL leach the toxins into the food if you use such cookware.
We found out in about 1950 that it matters to NOT use toxin containing cookware in a microwave. It is now 2015 and the same rubbish is still being stirred up. Let's get real folks.
Stop reading internet garbage and use REAL science.

Real science would have sensible cookware (pyrex glass for example) as a prerequisite in any microwave experiments subsequent to 1950.
SO should you require it.
And please use it and NOT plastics and ceramics, in your own microwave. (Specially manufactured microwave cookware exists without toixins. But otherwise stick to pyrex.)

As for Snopes, they do have an excellent reputation and it is well deserved.
Notice how THEY repeat the experiment in suitable cookware, and specify they used the SAME cookware for all cases.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Irene,

You may not have noticed that the article he links below this one is a nicely done debunking of the alleged experiment, which was evidently a fraud.

Shannon

Irene,

Since I do what you do, which is to fly off the handle without finishing reading what the person said, I can't give you a hard time about it. If you had finished reading my entire message, you would have seen that I came to debunk the very "study" that showed that microwaving the water was bad for plants. The study was more than flawed. It was a BIG, FAT LIE. It was altered. It was not a mistake or a poorly designed experiment; it was a lie, deliberate and conscious.

However, I dispute that microwaves are just heat. Microwaves are clearly not paleo, but aside from that, they are also obviously not radiation. Radiation really is a stupid way of describing them. It seems like some people prefer to be stupid and hysterical than to think things through.

Microwaves are less energetic that infra-red and heat waves. But they do some funny things that are different from heat. If they act differently from the heat spectrum of the electro-magnetic spectrum, then they cannot be heat. They interact mainly with H2O molecules, but not entirely, or else we could not heat up butter or coconut oil, since they have no water in them. I can get a glass of water boiling in the microwave, and then put my hand in in the oven and feel the walls of the oven and feel next to no heat, That is not normal and it is not infra-red.

Whether it is bad or not remains to be seen. Right now I will accept the convenience until someone HONEST can demonstrate that microwaves are harmful.

GroupThink is a wonderful source for good and useful idea. This does not mean that everything we encounter in groupthink is worth a damn.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2015 23:59:34 -0800
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Microwaving water
Don't be so naiive:-)

That is total baloney.
Microwave energy is not radiation, it is heat. Any third g raqde science class will let you know that much.
And yo can micorwave wayter as much as yo like and it will not h urt any plants you water. The only way to cause a problem is to heat water in a container th at leaches toxins into the water. That is caused by HEAT not microwaves.
If yo used such a container in a regular over itw oudl also leach toxins into tha water.

Only an idiot thinks any container is okay in a microwave or oven. If you woudl not use it in an oven, you shoudl also not use it in a microwave. HEAT causes melting of componenets of hte cookware, such a lead from stoneware or other lead based ceramics, and that will get into whatever you heat, in whatever oven you heat it in.
This kind of nonsense experiment has been debunked for decades. Why keep bringing it up.
NO experiment using a microwave is valid u\nless it uses safe cookware.
If it does not - it is the cookware that is at fault - NOT the heat which is all a microwave oven can generate.
It does not generate any toxins or any radiation. THE TOXINS COME FROM THE COOKWARE.
ANY cookware that contains lead or other toxins, WILL leach the toxins into the food if you use such cookware.
We found out in about 1950 that it matters to NOT use toxin containing cookware in a microwave. It is not 2015 and the same rubbish is still being stirred up. Let's get real folks.
Stop reading internet garbage and use REAL science.

Real science would have sensible cookware (pyrex for example) as a prerequisite in any microwave experiments subsequent to 1950.
SO should you require it.

As for Snopes. they have an excellent reputation and it is well deserved.
Notice how THEY repeat the experiment in suitable cookware.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

For your information:

Microwaves are part of the electromagnetic spectrum and therefore RADIATION.
Microwaves are electromagnetic wave with wavelengths in the range 0.001–0.3 m, shorter than that of a normal radio wave but longer than those of infrared radiation. Microwaves are used in radar, in communications and in these applications DO NOT CAUSE HEAT!
Microwaves with certain wavelengths are absorbed by water molecules making them vibrate fast and thus cause heat and so can be used for cooking. Water in the food absorbs the microwave radiation, which causes the water to heat up and cook the food and this is also used in various industrial processes too.
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 08 March 2015 13:54
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Microwaving water
Irene,

Since I do what you do, which is to fly off the handle without finishing reading what the person said, I can't give you a hard time about it. If you had finished reading my entire message, you would have seen that I came to debunk the very "study" that showed that microwaving the water was bad for plants. The study was more than flawed. It was a BIG, FAT LIE. It was altered. It was not a mistake or a poorly designed experiment; it was a lie, deliberate and conscious.

However, I dispute that microwaves are just heat. Microwaves are clearly not paleo, but aside from that, they are also obviously not radiation. Radiation really is a stupid way of describing them. It seems like some people prefer to be stupid and hysterical than to think things through.

Microwaves are less energetic that infra-red and heat waves. But they do some funny things that are different from heat. If they act differently from the heat spectrum of the electro-magnetic spectrum, then they cannot be heat. They interact mainly with H2O molecules, but not entirely, or else we could not heat up butter or coconut oil, since they have no water in them. I can get a glass of water boiling in the microwave, and then put my hand in in the oven and feel the walls of the oven and feel next to no heat, That is not normal and it is not infra-red.

Whether it is bad or not remains to be seen. Right now I will accept the convenience until someone HONEST can demonstrate that microwaves are harmful.

GroupThink is a wonderful source for good and useful idea. This does not mean that everything we encounter in groupthink is worth a damn.

Roger Bird
________________________________

To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2015 23:59:34 -0800
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Microwaving water
Don't be so naiive:-)
That is total baloney.

Microwave energy is not radiation, it is heat. Any third g raqde science class will let you know that much.

And yo can micorwave wayter as much as yo like and it will not h urt any plants you water. The only way to cause a problem is to heat water in a container th at leaches toxins into the water. That is caused by HEAT not microwaves.

If yo used such a container in a regular over itw oudl also leach toxins into tha water.
Only an idiot thinks any container is okay in a microwave or oven. If you woudl not use it in an oven, you shoudl also not use it in a microwave. HEAT causes melting of componenets of hte cookware, such a lead from stoneware or other lead based ceramics, and that will get into whatever you heat, in whatever oven you heat it in.
This kind of nonsense experiment has been debunked for decades. Why keep bringing it up.

NO experiment using a microwave is valid u\nless it uses safe cookware.

If it does not - it is the cookware that is at fault - NOT the heat which is all a microwave oven can generate.

It does not generate any toxins or any radiation. THE TOXINS COME FROM THE COOKWARE.

ANY cookware that contains lead or other toxins, WILL leach the toxins into the food if you use such cookware.

We found out in about 1950 that it matters to NOT use toxin containing cookware in a microwave. It is not 2015 and the same rubbish is still being stirred up. Let's get real folks.

Stop reading internet garbage and use REAL science.
Real science would have sensible cookware (pyrex for example) as a prerequisite in any microwave experiments subsequent to 1950.

SO should you require it.
As for Snopes. they have an excellent reputation and it is well deserved.

Notice how THEY repeat the experiment in suitable cookware.
Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info

(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Thanks, Soroush!

I too was wanting to point out that this term "radiation" certainly applies to microwaves -- just as it applies to light, radio waves, and the rest of the "electromagnetic spectrum", as well as to e.g. gamma waves and the other "nasties" from e.g. nuclear radiation.

I'm guessing that Irene's point is that microwave radiation does *not* make anything "radioactive" (it does not leave any radiation behind in its wake), which is certainly an important point of confusion for some.
I find this definition:

ra·di·a·tion
ˌrādēˈāSH(ə)n/
noun

1.
Maybe that clarifies the confusion a little?
Shannon
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I'd say there's a difference between what something 'is' and what
'effect' something 'has' (or even 'can have').

Hennie

Irene de Villiers furryboots@icehouse.net [minutus] schreef op 8-3-2015
om 9:08:

by snopes ..... which I admired for its reliability, so no I did not miss it:-)
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

You accuse incorrectly.

Read my answer more carefully; including the comments on snopes.
Microwaves cause heating, they are not heat itself.
Rubbing your hands together also causes heating:-)

Namaste,
Irene

--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."