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hello all
forgive me if somebody already brought this discussion up; if so, i missed it. here is a one hour documentary that is not a waste of time: Vice Special Report: Killing Cancer Full Episode (HBO)

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it's about a revolutionary cancer treatment being developed that involves injecting malignant tumors with infectious disease viruses. in the documentary they mention using AIDS virus, measles, and adenovirus (common cold).

the implications of this are stunning but not obvious to me and so i wanted to ask you all if you have thoughts on this. the ideas in my head after watching the show:

1 - would treatment with the homeopathic nosode of these viruses have the same effect as injecting the virus into the tumor?
2 - does this mean that cancers rates rising have to do with suppression of these infectious diseases thru vaccinations? or is it unrelated?
3 - what are the implications of the genetic modification of these viruses? (besides the fact that once they're GMO viruses certain companies can charge a ton of money for them and patent - rather than just cultivating the natural viruses which would, after all, be cheap to do)
4 - and more and more. wondering if the AIDS nosode homeopathic remedy is really reliably made from the virus. if so i wonder about using it in addition to other remedies, for certain cancers (which ones?) i have been using Ramakrishnan's cancer protocol with some success in a small number of cases, but if we can figure out what is going on here, the potential for improving homeopathy's results seems significant.

thanks for your thoughts!
Rachel

and this is homeopathy how?
Sheri

At 05:30 PM 3/8/2015, you wrote:

Well it must be. The viruses must be homeopathic to the tumors in some way. That's why it's so exciting.

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Cancer is a systemic condition. The entire body chemistry is out of whack. In areas of poor circulation, stagnating pools of lymph concentrate and suffocate the cells so isolated. Hypoxia, the starvation for oxygen, shifts the metabolism of the cells away from burning oxygen and fats to an anaerobic state whereby energy (ATP) is produced from less oxygen and much more sugar. In the beginning stages tumors will form as a defense mechanism so as to wall off necrotic (dead) tissue so as to prevent the spread of the rotten tissue which would poison the blood (sepsis) and end life abruptly.

As the tumor grows from the impact of the decomposition of detritis, a enzymatic solution once celled necrone develops. Today the definition is relegated to MMPs of various forms, MMP3 being the prime culprit in breast cancer. The tumor escapes the attention of the immune system's white soldier cells because it is made up of tissue that is natural to the body. In reality, the tumor is the same as a placenta. The only difference being the contents within the sealed chamber where anaerobic digestion occurs. Pleomorphic entities which cycle from a viron state into bacteria and then yeasts to fungi, and it is at the fungal stage that we call the tumor malignant. Typically only about 15% of the tumor is involved hence the reason for multiple stabs done in the insanely stupid and extremely dangerous biopsy.

I rather doubt that a homeopathic would be of much benefit because this entire process was placed into all living matter by design. Cancer is not a disease but a condition of deranged cellular metabolism. It is cured by alterations in the internal milieu via diet and improved hygiene technique. All cancer is therefor curable as was proved by Drs. Rife and Kendall in their 1930 experiment with in vitro B coli.
Cancer is the result of improper living. The trigger mechanism for organic matter decomposition via microbial digestion is a lack of oxygen. The pleomorphic scavengers morph into Nature's external metabolic mode intended to return spent organic matter back into soil. We and we alone are responsible for our own demise. We carry within us the seeds of our own destruction. Ashes to ashes...
Carmi Hazen

Rachel, you might want to look into Trevor Gunn's book, discussed here not long ago: The Science of Health and Healing.

He explains quite convincingly how all diseases, including cancer as well as all the things that get blamed on viruses, are products of the internal environment - something homeopaths should well understand. It has been reported that viral activity within the body can affect tumors. What is missed here is that no virus has ever been conclusively shown to be the CAUSE of any disease, and that they arise according to conditions and needs within the body - for instance, cases of measles have been observed in totally isolated living conditions - so introducing viruses which have been associated with particular diseases should be no more effective than those produced within the body, given the right conditions of toxicity, balance, microbial populations, etc. to allow them.

What is stunning here is the further development of the "blind men and the elephant" phenomenon. What a waste all these "cancer research" projects are! They spend lifetimes going around the block, when the answer is right in front of them. A few misplaced postulates have put off progress by generations...

ginny

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At 10:57 PM 3/8/2015, you wrote:
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I'd say that the action of a macrophage, for instance, is not homeopathic, nor any similar sort of chemical agent which somehow affects the tumor cells by changing their enviroment. It is known, by those with eyes open, that viruses do not directly cause disease, but they do a lot of cleanup work. What constitutes a homeopathic reaction is that something must stimulate the body to react to eliminate the stimulus. I don't see that here.

ginny

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I would argue that there is no such thing as a "virus." By definition, a virus isn't living material but is rather segments of proteins of RNA/DNA. Not being alive and therefore not equipped for motility, these entities are simply pieces of junk and have no live in them at all. Yeah, we hear of splicing into cell strands etc., but to me this is utter nonsense.

Modern researchers cannot observe these so called "virons" due to their small size being beyond the resolving parameters of the human eye. While they can be observed via a shadow-graph (electron microscope) they are dead. Dr. Rife was able to observe them using his heterodyning microscope and referred to them as virons but in reality, he was observing baby bacteria aka mycoplasmas IMHO. He described these living entities as being "filter-passing" which is the standard barrier for separation between microbial life size limitations. Via inoculation, he was able to induce the disease from the filtrates he found beneath the filter mechanism. He found these microbes to be pleomorphic and there were 10 families of them, all of which, at specific stages of their morphology, produced distinct and recognizable disease conditions.

His most important discovery, IMHO, was the crystallography apparatus that was an attachment to his #3 heterodyning microscope. He observed that the protein building blocks that formed up as entities readily observed via conventional light microscopy were, in fact, clusters of icosahedral triangles that comprised the mass of the bacteria so observed.

Around the same time period, Dr. George Crile published the results of his study in his classic "The Phenomena of Life" 1936. In this reference he noted that the voltage potential between the nucleus and cytoplasmic membrane would evolve into a pathogen when the potentials dropped a certain amount. Rife had observed this but the notes we have are sparse. When cells loose their potentials they crystallize having been liquid crystals in suspension prior to losing their electrical energy. Because all pathogens are comprized of crystallized solids, they can be subjected to resonant sympathetic vibration and thus destroyed in situ. This fact is now known by many people and eventually enough people will become aware so as to see the colossal fraud that is our drug-based medical system. Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen

On the contrary.
MANY viruses are known to be the cause of specific disease. You are out of date to suggest otherwise. Virology has proved this for decades.
We know not only that viruses cause specific disreases but HOW they cause them and exactly at the molecular level what mechanisms are involved. We also know at the genetic level what is going on.
There's no question or mystery about it. It is very well known.
So why do you make such a "flat-earth" type statement?
Have you studied any virology, or are you just inventing or copying other miguided folk?

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Irene

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Only someone blindly ignorant about virology can make such a flat-earth claim
How do you ever expect anyone to consider homeopathy valid if you make up fiction about very well known facts?
Namaste,
Irene

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