Minutus

Hi,
I appeared to have found a wonderful deep systemic remedy in silica.
I am thinking about the idea that deep systemic remedies should be the best kind of organ detoxification remedy.
In the example below, I have no previous experience with liver problems. Therefore, I would not be thinking about liver detoxification. The books all say one should clean out the liver before working on the intestines. I tried but, I never thought I ever did very good job of detoxifying either organ. For me, if you do not have symptoms, it is very hard to choose an organ remedy. I have never had any liver symptoms before what I describe below. Choosing a remedy as a simple protocol is a hard path for me to follow.
What I described below is, I think, is a form of organ detoxification, in this case liver detoxification. Do you agree with me?
During the last few days I have been having an aggravation from taking silica in F potency. I am currently at 21c. Because I have never had liver symptoms, this aggravation looks more like a proving than a straightforward aggravation.
Symptoms:
Saturday, Light colored (dark yellow), clay-like mushy stools. The light color to me, mean that there was not enough bile from the gallbladder. They are silica stools that I never have. In the evening, stools with diarrhea and gas. Sunday, I could hardly walk or stand up. It felt like my liver was swollen, but I could push my fingers under my ribs. So, the swelling must have been minor. I have never had a problem with my liver, but this was definitely the area of my liver. Silica has lots of liver problems. The pain was in the mid-back (below the level of the breasts, behind the ribs) back problem except all of the alarm points used in Chinese medicine all screamed "This is a liver problem".
The next day the pain was all gone and I had much more energy than I ever usually have. (So that was one of those terrible and then wonderful aggravations that my patients get. Next time I will have more sympathy.) In addition to the energy increase, the swelling of the lymph nodes in my neck sharply decreased also.
I think this is liver detoxification with a deep systemic remedy. Am I correct?
Sometimes you get aggravations because you remedy choice is not quite close enough to the similum. But, silica is exactly on target judging from all of these symptoms that it has cured. And I am only at 21c! I feel so blessed. Although, I think I would have a hard time convincing a patient that much pain is actually a great blessing.
I wonder if I would be better off having taken an organ remedy first. I always worry that I could be losing symptoms that could help me to find a deep remedy like silica.
Best.
Ellen Madono

very exciting Ellen! good for you!
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From: "Ellen Madono ellen.madono@gmail.com [minutus]"
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Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 8:53 AM
Subject: [Minutus] Deep systemic remedy is an organ remedy?
Hi,
I appeared to have found a wonderful deep systemic remedy in silica.
I am thinking about the idea that deep systemic remedies should be the best kind of organ detoxification remedy.
In the example below, I have no previous experience with liver problems. Therefore, I would not be thinking about liver detoxification. The books all say one should clean out the liver before working on the intestines. I tried but, I never thought I ever did very good job of detoxifying either organ. For me, if you do not have symptoms, it is very hard to choose an organ remedy. I have never had any liver symptoms before what I describe below. Choosing a remedy as a simple protocol is a hard path for me to follow.
What I described below is, I think, is a form of organ detoxification, in this case liver detoxification. Do you agree with me?
During the last few days I have been having an aggravation from taking silica in F potency. I am currently at 21c. Because I have never had liver symptoms, this aggravation looks more like a proving than a straightforward aggravation.
Symptoms:
Saturday, Light colored (dark yellow), clay-like mushy stools. The light color to me, mean that there was not enough bile from the gallbladder. They are silica stools that I never have. In the evening, stools with diarrhea and gas. Sunday, I could hardly walk or stand up. It felt like my liver was swollen, but I could push my fingers under my ribs. So, the swelling must have been minor. I have never had a problem with my liver, but this was definitely the area of my liver. Silica has lots of liver problems. The pain was in the mid-back (below the level of the breasts, behind the ribs) back problem except all of the alarm points used in Chinese medicine all screamed "This is a liver problem".
The next day the pain was all gone and I had much more energy than I ever usually have. (So that was one of those terrible and then wonderful aggravations that my patients get. Next time I will have more sympathy.) In addition to the energy increase, the swelling of the lymph nodes in my neck sharply decreased also.
I think this is liver detoxification with a deep systemic remedy. Am I correct?
Sometimes you get aggravations because you remedy choice is not quite close enough to the similum. But, silica is exactly on target judging from all of these symptoms that it has cured. And I am only at 21c! I feel so blessed. Although, I think I would have a hard time convincing a patient that much pain is actually a great blessing.
I wonder if I would be better off having taken an organ remedy first. I always worry that I could be losing symptoms that could help me to find a deep remedy like silica.
Best.
Ellen Madono

Symptoms are a bit like blood tests....by the time something appears that you can recognise, the pathology is already well installed.
The liver is a very forgiving organ; you can surgically remove 2/3 of it, it will grow back and you will barely notice a difference; cirrhotic patients do compensate for years....that is for organic pathology.

In TCM the liver is the organ linked to anger and resentment, liver pulses and tongue are changed accordingly...it is definitely possible you have gotten rid of some of those emotions with an physical indicator telling you "it is happening".

But you have demonstrated very clearly what I keep repeating: before going to a deep treatment, prepare your elimination organs, at least the kidneys and liver (plus healthy nutrition), so that everything that has to "come out", physically, mentally, emotionally, will have an "open road" and the aggravation, if any, will be minimal or even not perceptible.

My suggestion: give it a rest and use some liver herbs now to help it (sylibum, taraxacum, cynara), then when you feel OK, keep going.

Silica is indeed a very slow and deep remedy, I should know, it is my core remedy too....

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

Silica is indeed a very slow and deep remedy, I should know, it is my core remedy too....

The duration of Sil is shown as 40-60 days. Do you find this accurate?
Do you give a core remedy, which I'm equating to one's constitutional remedy, in F?
I'm thinking an F potency is used to resolve an issue, or "deep seated" one as you say, a beginning and end.
A core remedy boosts one's constitution among other things, so is always needed at some point.
If you need a dose of your core, do you use the next in the series of F where you last took the dose?
For example, I'm up to LM26 on my core. I had a cold for a month. Wasn't rebounding after, listless, etc.
Took one dose of my core and right away rebounded and in hours was feeling much better.
Each time I need my core, I'm continuing on in potency from where I last left off.
With LMs, the bottle has about 15 doses before you move to the next LM level.
Wondering how you do this with core in F potency?
Plus adhering to not repeating the same potency dose but upping the potency slightly each time you take it.
Susan

I am trying to answer in your text after ***********

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz
*********** no, not at all....the "duration" of a remedy is the time needed for the information transmitted by the remedy to a specific patient to completely act....now read that again and realise the concept: in my view, the remedy, once take acts immediately, but it is the reaction time of the physiology that seems to determine the response...hope this makes sense
**********always F; there are so many different definitions of "constitution" that I have decided to replace this notion with "core"; the closest in the literature is Eyzayaga's concept of constitution
*********** the remedy is used for whatever its indication is; F series is only a way of administering it
********** as described in "Third Millennium Homeopathy" I took my core remedy about 5 times, each time in a full F series; when I start a series I do it in full, never stop in the middle
******** you are using a totally different system
******** as above, and all explanations are in the 2 books and will be more detailed in the future course, almost done BTW, only need the voice-over and it will be ready to be shipped to the producer
******** obviously I do not adhere to that...why? because when I need my remedy, it is because of a serious upheaval, not for a minor ill-feeling.

Thanks Dr. Roz.

I will go to the Chinese Herb store for Liver herbs. Good idea. I was just using the acupuncture system. As you say, the liver is not going to show up with easy to read symptoms. I agree. I am going to go back to you organ books. Just like taking herb, prescribing by protocol is not homeopathy in my book, but your argument makes sense. Clear out before starting the core treatment.

I thought systemic was a more precise way of saying constitutional. Cure sounds a abstract to me.

Best,
Ellen

Ellen Madono

Dear Susan,

The day after taking Silica 5c, my energy was back and I was no longer choking on my phlegm. I call that fast, not slow. It was as if my body knew that I was going to start the spiral of the F series before ​I had really started to pull out the spiral. So, it is really patient response based, as is everything else in homeopathy.

I am quite sensitive, so with other remedies, I notice the energy change as soon as I take the remedy. It is immediate. So, in that sense, relative to Silica, other faster remedies are faster. But nothing like 40 days for Silica. If you are working with a sensitive person, faster reactions are also possible. I have no allergies etc., but I purposely train myself in sensitivity. Not sensitive enough for most difficult human relationships, but working on it.

Best,
Ellen

Ellen Madono

Wait until you are "cured" or rather back to optimal health.

You will then realise it is not abstract at all!

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

Thanks for the detailed response Dr. Joe!
So, each time you need to take your core, you restart the F series.
And taking your core is not done often for minor stuff but more for major events.
I don't know if Hahnemann recognized or ever mentioned the concept of one's core or constitutional remedy.
The Organon 6th specifically instructs not repeating doses in same potency due to vital force reactions in chronic diseases which the LM potency solves so repeating doses when the issue is not chronic disease may be viewed like treating acutes thus same dose repetition should be not problematic
Silica is also an antipsoric, and doses of it can't help but touch on one's underlying psora miasm layer in it's latent state though there may be no noticeable immediate reaction. No way of knowing by repeating the F series of Sil over time, which is repeating unchanged doses, what affect iit may have in the distant future if there is a chronic disease from psora waiting to emerge. Just think tanking !
My core/constitutional is also an antipsoric and helped move me forward with chronic disease during the earlier LMs.
Now, I only need it to rebound after an illness or to antidote an incorrect remedy.and occasionally as an intercurrent.
It always brings me back to life and with only one dose when I'm at a low or weak.
A 2nd or 3rd dose lately has been showing not useful.
Susan

If you read "The proving of a system". last part of third millennium homeopathy, you understand what I did and do.

Basically I repeated the core remedy....when my core was so shaken by the treatment that it certainly needed almost a rebuild. With my patients I have almost never had to do that, mainly because now I know how to avoid "homeopathic earthquakes" after having gone through a few of them myself.

I also have a different concept of miasms that is explained in the same book.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz