Minutus

It's not o easy to prove that it is not science based.
The facts in favor of its predictions have yet to be scientifically explained, but that does not necessarily make it unscientific.

One only has to work out a natal birth chart to see its validity, whether scientifically proveable at this point or not:-)
It can be proved that it has validity but maybe not shown how it works.
Many say that of homeopathy - but, as for astrology, it does not make the subject invalid.
What can be demonstrated is validiy - much as it is easy to show validity of homeopathy.
How it works, or why it works? As with homepathy, it is uncertain.
The same applies to Numerology. It is eqally valid but hard to explain scientifically - though there are books on it. I found one of them but even as a math major myself, I found the book extremely hard to followaadn gave up before I was halfway. It needs an up to date mathematician to follow it. A bit like books on any in-depth subject requiring more understanding of the terms than the average reader may have.
i do not think that is a reason to assume it unscientific, any more than we assume homeopathy unscientific. Nothing proves asttronomoy or numerology or other systems keyed to universe objects or activities, to be unscientific, to put it another way. Can you prove it is unscientific?

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I was surprised by your comment Irene, but have to applaud it.
Not being an astrology buff, I am neither supporting it nor denying it.
My point here, is that we should not become exactly what we suffer.

It is a sad fact that people know their own oppression but resist learning the big lessons that apply universally.
I would love for our community to not fall prey to narrow minded prejudice over things we don’t understand.

t

Cheers!!
We are more alike than different, the powers that be want to emphasize our differences, for divided we fall.
Never close your ears/eyes, because there will always be one area to come together on and then learning and understanding can happen, and only then can knowledge be used to better both.
Vicki

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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re Astrology - was Flu
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 7:59 AM
I was surprised by your comment Irene, but have to
applaud it.Not being an astrology buff, I am
neither supporting it nor denying it.My point
here, is that we should not become exactly what we
suffer.
It is a sad
fact that people know their own oppression but resist
learning the big lessons that apply universally.I
would love for our community to not fall prey to narrow
minded prejudice over things we don’t
understand.
t
On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:30 AM, Irene de
Villiers furryboots@icehouse.net
[minutus]
wrote:
On Jan 14,
2015, at 3:02 AM, finrod@finrod.co.uk [minutus]
wrote:
As far as I know Astrology is not
science based
It's not o easy to prove that it
is not science based.The facts in favor of its
predictions have yet to be scientifically explained, but
that does not necessarily make it
unscientific.
One only
has to work out a natal birth chart to see its validity,
whether scientifically proveable at this point or
not:-)
and cannot be
proved!
It can be proved that it has
validity but maybe not shown how it works.Many
say that of homeopathy - but, as for astrology, it does not
make the subject invalid.
If there is science in astrology that
can be demonstrated, please
explain.
What can be demonstrated is validiy -
much as it is easy to show validity of homeopathy.How
it works, or why it works? As with homepathy, it is
uncertain.
The
same applies to Numerology. It is eqally valid but hard to
explain scientifically - though there are books on it. I
found one of them but even as a math major myself, I found
the book extremely hard to followaadn gave up before I was
halfway. It needs an up to date mathematician to follow it.
A bit like books on any in-depth subject requiring more
understanding of the terms than the average reader may
have.
i
do not think that is a reason to assume it unscientific, any
more than we assume homeopathy unscientific. Nothing proves
asttronomoy or numerology or other systems keyed to universe
objects or activities, to be unscientific, to put it another
way. Can you prove it is unscientific?
Namaste,
Irene
--Irene
de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info(Info
on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not
interrupt one doing
it."
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and to add to this, there are many things that "they" claim to be "scientifically proven" which are clearly bias and paid for studies with manipulated data designed to give the impression of "proof".
jmo
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Subject: [Minutus] Re Astrology - was Flu
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 6:30 AM
On Jan 14, 2015, at
3:02 AM, finrod@finrod.co.uk
[minutus] wrote:
As far as I know Astrology is not
science based
It's not o easy to prove that it
is not science based.The facts in favor of its
predictions have yet to be scientifically explained, but
that does not necessarily make it
unscientific.
One only
has to work out a natal birth chart to see its validity,
whether scientifically proveable at this point or
not:-)
and cannot be proved!
It can be proved that it has
validity but maybe not shown how it works.Many
say that of homeopathy - but, as for astrology, it does not
make the subject invalid.
If there is science in astrology that
can be demonstrated, please
explain.
What can be demonstrated is validiy -
much as it is easy to show validity of homeopathy.How
it works, or why it works? As with homepathy, it is
uncertain.
The
same applies to Numerology. It is eqally valid but hard to
explain scientifically - though there are books on it. I
found one of them but even as a math major myself, I found
the book extremely hard to followaadn gave up before I was
halfway. It needs an up to date mathematician to follow it.
A bit like books on any in-depth subject requiring more
understanding of the terms than the average reader may
have.
i
do not think that is a reason to assume it unscientific, any
more than we assume homeopathy unscientific. Nothing proves
asttronomoy or numerology or other systems keyed to universe
objects or activities, to be unscientific, to put it another
way. Can you prove it is unscientific?
Namaste,
Irene
--Irene
de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info(Info
on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not
interrupt one doing it."
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I was recently told (pardon the french) I was full of ‘crap’, mercola was a ‘quack,
and I was full of bull shit! This from a person who claims to be a progressive but she
knows, from her narrow little world which she so defined for me, that I can’t know anything
different that her.

With such attitudes from people who claim to be on your side, is it any wonder we have such a hard
time protecting ourselves from out enemies.

The old phrase “with friends like these, who needs eneimies’ comes to mind

t

You did see the arrticle sent last week on fake research?
I did send it to Minutus.

tanya

I agree with Irene, as usual. People who disbelieve astrology set up tests in ignorance which shows that astrology is bunk. If those tests were constructed with a deeper understanding of the nuances of astrology the tests would show that astrology was real.

Also, since there can be no double blinding with astrology by its very nature, then it is a little difficult to do that gold standard of double blind randomized testing This is exactly the a problem with proving homeopathy, because homeopathy is so individualized. The same could be said of traditional Chinese medicine and Ayurveda. Most people need to eat leafy green salads; I get constipated if I eat a lot of leafy greens. Does this prove or disprove Ayurveda? But I will stick with my observation that leafy green salads constipate me and go very light on leafy greens.

I believe that Irene's major point is that just because we don't know the mechanism of something doesn't mean that it is not real. NO ONE knows the mechanism of consciousness, but I am pretty sure that I am conscious (playful sarcasm).

Roger Bird
________________________________

To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 03:30:26 -0800
Subject: [Minutus] Re Astrology - was Flu
It's not o easy to prove that it is not science based.
The facts in favor of its predictions have yet to be scientifically explained, but that does not necessarily make it unscientific.

One only has to work out a natal birth chart to see its validity, whether scientifically proveable at this point or not:-)
It can be proved that it has validity but maybe not shown how it works.
Many say that of homeopathy - but, as for astrology, it does not make the subject invalid.
What can be demonstrated is validiy - much as it is easy to=show validity of homeopathy.
How it works, or why it works? As with homepathy, it is uncertain.
The same applies to Numerology. It is eqally valid but hard to explain scientifically - though there are books on it. I found one of them but even as a math major myself, I found the book extremely hard to followaadn gave up before I was halfway. It needs an up to date mathematician to follow it. A bit like books on any in-depth subject requiring more understanding of the terms than the average reader may have.
i do not think that is a reason to assume it unscientific, any more than we assume homeopathy unscientific. Nothing proves asttronomoy or numerology or other systems keyed to universe objects or activities, to be unscientific, to put it another way. Can you prove it is unscientific?

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I thought that the alleged PTB were trying to push us towards thinking that we are all the same so that they could sell to us the same drug for the same set of symptoms. So, which is it? Are well all the same or are we all different? Or perhaps there is no TPTB; only people trying to make a buck off of each one of us.

And the people trying to make a buck off of each one of us have advertisements that are quite annoying enough.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 06:56:56 -0800
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re Astrology - was Flu

Cheers!!
We are more alike than different, the powers that be want to emphasize our differences, for divided we fall.
Never close your ears/eyes, because there will always be one area to come together on and then learning and understanding can happen, and only then can knowledge be used to better both.
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I doubt that anyone or any group has a monopoly on insight or the lack thereof. I have seen so many, many ultra conservative Christians in natural food stores with the cute little bonnets, yet I do not see them as being politically insightful. Different people have different kinds of insightfulness. I am a social retard, and my family does me the great service of keeping me locking up in my house away from other human beings (:->). But give me a philosophical issue, and I defer to no man or woman.

I am sorry that you got your feelings hurt. I just got whacked by someone that I trusted.

I rarely mention homeopathy to anyone because I got tired of getting my feelings whacked.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:40:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re Astrology - was Flu

I was recently told (pardon the french) I was full of ‘crap’, mercola was a ‘quack,

and I was full of bull shit! This from a person who claims to be a progressive but she
knows, from her narrow little world which she so defined for me, that I can’t know anything
different that her.

With such attitudes from people who claim to be on your side, is it any wonder we have such a hard
time protecting ourselves from out enemies.

The old phrase “with friends like these, who needs eneimies’ comes to mind

t

On this point I agree with Roger and Irene. The mystery of the universe is so vast. As Homeopaths to say that something out of our expertise is NOT credible is hypocritical. It does not matter our opinions whether we believe or disbelieve in Astrology or Homeopathy. My only comment is to wonder at the majesty of the mystery of the universe and know that something, God or otherwise, has constructed a wondrous, interconnected, interrelated, web of synchronicity. All disciplines, arts, sciences are connected, are useful, are important. All is sacred! No group should hold sway over anothers truth, wisdom or experince. All that is lacking is another willingness to have an open mind and investigate and not believe blindly. (sounds like Homeopaths asking the general population to believe in their science/art discipline.) Astrology is no different. If the moon affects each living thing on this planet profoundly....it is NOT a stretch to say that the planets affect us as well. All you need is an open mind to investigate this. This is all we ask of potential Homeopathic clients...just try it and you will see the benefits.

I will get off my soap box now.

Have a Good Day. Domenic

---In minutus@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I agree with Irene, as usual. People who disbelieve astrology set up tests in ignorance which shows that astrology is bunk. If those tests were constructed with a deeper understanding of the nuances of astrology the tests would show that astrology was real.

Also, since there can be no double blinding with astrology by its very nature, then it is a little difficult to do that gold standard of double blind randomized testing This is exactly the a problem with proving homeopathy, because homeopathy is so individualized. The same could be said of traditional Chinese medicine and Ayurveda. Most people need to eat leafy green salads; I get constipated if I eat a lot of leafy greens. Does this prove or disprove Ayurveda? But I will stick with my observation that leafy green salads constipate me and go very light on leafy greens.

I believe that Irene's major point is that just because we don't know the mechanism of something doesn't mean that it is not real. NO ONE knows the mechanism of consciousness, but I am pretty sure that I am conscious (playful sarcasm).

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 03:30:26 -0800
Subject: [Minutus] Re Astrology - was Flu
What can be demonstrated is validiy - much as it is easy to show validity of homeopathy.
How it works, or why it works? As with homepathy, it is uncertain.
The same applies to Numerology. It is eqally valid but hard to explain scientifically - though there are books on it. I found one of them but even as a math major myself, I found the book extremely hard to followaadn gave up before I was halfway. It needs an up to date mathematician to follow it. A bit like books on any in-depth subject requiring more understanding of the terms than the average reader may have.
i do not think that is a reason to assume it unscientific, any more than we assume homeopathy unscientific. Nothing proves asttronomoy or numerology or other systems keyed to universe objects or activities, to be unscientific, to put it another way. Can you prove it is unscientific?

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."