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What can people tell me about dehydration that comes on quickly.

My daughter has been under stress, has been gaining excessive weight
and was already overweight to begin with.

She drinks water daily

Began to feel sick about 8-10 days ago—cold/flu type symptoms
Thought it was something she ate but the person with her, eating the same food was just fine.

She called late one evening barely being able to talk, in great pain all over her body, hard to
breathe. Couldn’t sleep altho exhausted. She was in very bad shape and being over 100 miles
away there was nothing I could do so told her to go to a hospital and try to get a diagnosis.
At the hospital they dx it as dehydration. Gave her a shot of advil to reduce the pain so she
could sit still long enough for them to give a saline IV. And sent her home a few hours later.

By the next day she was feeling ‘better,’ meaning she had begun to manifest symptoms of
fever, mucous in chest and nose. She had also suppressed the fever with walnut tincture I think

She had been taking a lot of Vit C but have no idea what dosage and for how long. She did have
the typical loose bowel but didn’t back off on the dosage. Again, do not know how long that was
occurring.

My question is whether these conditions would/could have caused such a severe reaction?
I also think it was more than just water but electrolyte imbalance as a general condition.
She has always held water in her body finding it hard to lose weight.

So any discussion of this would be useful. I am not looking for remedy suggestions. Just
understanding.

tanya

Tanya get her checked for diabetes which can come on after a fever although I would have hoped the hospital would have done that.

Rochelle
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they did some blood tests and checked for cancer but i have no ideas what they could have done.
my daughter resists really taking care of herself despite momentary things like better food or Vit C.
and being obese at this point that is the center of the medical evaluation—totally useless and medically
fraudulent in my opinion. i am hoping she actually goes to get the test results. she also now has a ]
medical insurance from her job that will pay for a ‘complete physical.’ i do understand her resistance
to have this done. being in those centers is unpleasant beyond words and having to deal with doctors
who are patronizing, power tripping while providing no meaningful answers is enough to drive anyone’s blood
pressure over the top as you want to maim them. but hopefully she will take the time to do it. I have
told her I have some people who will help interpret the results if she provides me with them.

interesting studies seem to be showing up contradicting the idea that overweight = ill health. one can be
overweight and still very healthy while the opposite of being thin and ill can also be true.

t

"Drinks water daily" can mean any number of things. If she is aware of
retaining water, she's probably overstating how much she drinks. That's
pretty common, especially among the elderly.

She was given Advil for the pain before being rehydrated? That sounds like
a really bad idea! Bet her liver just loved that.

Peace,
Dale

My D is just 45 yrs old—so not elderly. I agree that she is not drinking as much as she thinks.
But I think her kidneys are not processing wastes, or maybe her liver, or both. She retains water
excessively.
The Advil—yes, very bad. Believe me, if she didn’t scare me on the phone, I never would have told her to go to a hospital.

I am now trying to understand what level of treatment she needs. We both agree that she has not been detoxing well for
many years. Not sure why this is happening. Exposure to toxic chemicals in a photo lab when she was an art major?
Retaining anger (definitely) and suppressing it—except with me? Fear of her demons? Nutritional deficiencies? Organ damage after so
many years? Any and all of the above. I am just trying to refine my focus to help direct her. She will not do homeopathy.
One of her ways of fighting me altho she calls me for remedies for her friends and her cats.

t

Mostly that you need to figure out what triggered it in this case.

I am a frequent victim of sudden dehydration myself and that has landed me in the hospital more times than anything else. But I know why in my case.
It may or may not be comnparable as I have extreme overweight from cushings syndrome - ie central abdominal obesity from high leels of stress hormone. This is very different to general obesity where the fat is distributed all over, becasue cantral obesity involves metabolically active fat whereas normal fat is inactive and just sits there. Central fat actualy manufactures more cortisol which adds to the levels already produced in adrenals by stress response.

Cortisol causes loss of potassium, which has symptoms like nausea, dizziness, weakness, ketosis, and collapse due to dehydration involving loss of fluid and loss of potassium.
A sudden loss can happen when certain drugs are taken that cause potassium loss, so adding to an already dehydrated system. This is high risk during infections as one laready loses a lot more fluid than one reaslizes during soethig as simple as a cold. I have to e super careful to iincrease fluid and potassium even if i get the slightest cold, due to the high stress hormone.

Once I was so ill with pneumonia I actually agreed to swallow a tablet of erythromycin at around 5pm at my doctor's offcie. By 3am the ambulance arrived at my house to haul me off to the emergency room as I was only partially conscious from dehydration and low potassium. Turns out erythromycin has the known side effect of potssium loss but nobody had told me and to be fair it is well hidden in small print on the package insert, not listed as a major side effect.
That smacks of cortisol to me. Cortisol is the stress hormone. It swipes protein, takes it to te liver where it is converted to glucose, which is INTENDED as a stress response fuel to enable one to run fromt he tiger back to the cave. Except that is the physiologica response and it does not help the kind of stress modern society calls stree, as there is no frightening toger to run from. So the body finaklly figures out there is too much glucose in the blood and uses insulin to dump ot out as centrsal fat. Cortisol also has the side effect of blocking fat burning, blocking concerntration and bloking the immune system, all things you supposedly do not need while running from tigers anbd should not be doing while running.
Over time the cortisol does a lot of harm.

Diet (no starches mainly) can help reverse this nasty trend. If it continues it will lead to isulin resistance and diabetes, and still more weight gain. If there is diabetes, it makes ketosis MUCH easier to happen and that can cause dehydration in a few hours.

If diet does not reverse it, then look for production of cortisol elsewhere - either steroid drugs can cause this, or a tumor making ACTH or cortisol. (A 24 hr urine collected for cortisol testing is the gold standard test for high cortisol issues). For diabetes look at the A1c test, which gives the average glucose over the past 3 months.
Check potassium level. It should be at least 4.5 to protect heart health.
Does she drink less when she retains water?
If so that WILL trigger dehydration.
It may seem counter-intuitive but the way to get rid of edema is to drink MORE water....and take potassium.
Probably lost more fluid and electrolyte with this than she reaalized. If one is oerweight that is SO easy to do with cold type sx, without realizing.
As best I know that means she needed fluids and potassium - maybe also other electrolytes.
The hosp should have checked her electrolytes and provided what was missing asap, with fluid.
That would have removed the pain.
WHy saline?
And now advil as well.
There is always a reason for that.
Find it so as to fix it.
Potassium and cortisol would be the first items to investigate in my book.
Then diet to lower cortisol and raise potassium if these are indeed factors.
Else diet to fix whatever is out of balance.

I'd start with blood tests such as:
a general panel for kidneys, liver, glucose A1c;
CBC-with-differential;
thyroid panel plus REVERSE-T3 (an inactive form of T3 which occurs if cortisol is high, instead of active T3, causing hypothyroid symptoms without hypothyroid lab tests in the usual tests, and which is not included in the usual thyroid panel);
all electrolytes and bicarb (which if too high - alkaline - points to higher cortisol) and possible metabolic alkalosis - another easy dehydration trigger.

I'd start there.
ALso.... Potassium is called normal between 3.5 and 6.5, but it should be 4.5 to 6.5 as below that damages the heart, and kidneys as shown in research (and as I experienced by finding out the hard way).

The assess the results and go from there.

Never hurts to know more about what is happening inside.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

however if she takes it a step at a itme, it may work to her benefit.
For example she can go to the dr with a written list of blood tests to do, and say she wants that first so she knows what needs discussion at a future visit.
I also told my main doc that I do my physicals with the obgyn (and vice versa unless I want one).
I do that as by personal choice I do not participate in such barbaric rituals as slammograms and other invasive stuff.

I control how often I visit a dr and why, and I always arrive with a nicely typed page, dated and signed, stating what my objecives are for the visit that day (it is hard for a dr to refusde what is requested in writing, it is not sweet for potential liability later) ........and then firmly insist any new idea be for "next time" or a later time.
That way I am not being railroaded (and prefer to do the railroading if any is needed) - after all it is my health, I need to be in charge. I will politely offer to consider whatever the Dr suggests if I do not immediately refuse it. That way, I at least buy time to investigate.
Last time I was asked to take flu vaccine, pneumonia vaccine etc, and I just said..... thanks but I prefer to look after my thymus health. (That is not arguable, as every vaccine damages the thymus.)

I am trying to suggest that if your daughter feels in charge of her dr visits, and actively manages them her way, and they achieve what SHE wants, she may be more inclined to see those visits as tools in HER favor - with HER in charge That may help her confidence to look after her health better.

Namaste,
Irene

--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Might want to think of the gemmotherapy remedies to help detox, I would say more herbal than homeopathic.

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Hi Tanya,

"Began to feel sick about 8-10 days ago - cold/flu type symptoms."

"She had been taking a lot of Vit C but have no idea what dosage and for how long. She did have the typical loose bowel but didn't back off the dosage. Again, do not know how long that was occurring."

"At the hospital they dx it as dehydration."

"My question is whether these conditions would/could have caused such a severe reaction?"
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Would ask about the Vit C intake, how much and how many days. Maybe a little too much Vit C?

Dehydration can be severe and adding it to cold/flu symptoms.....she probably felt awful.

Glad to here she is feeling better.

Atb,

Leilanae

It is clear that she was possibly never dehydrated or in any case that was not the key issue. She was in the early phase of viral illness when she first saw the doctor.