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Artificial sweeteners may promote diabetes, claim scientists
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014 ... lood-sugar
A personal story!

Colleagues who know me, know that since about 1999 I have been sending info on aspartame in particular to friends and colleagues.
Some years back, a cousin emailed to say thank you.

She had been diagnosed with diabetes and her doctor in US had advised her strongly that she must use canderel (Aspartame). She had of course dismissed my meessage! Then she had gone to another relatives house and when trying to add the sweetener to her coffee, the host had said, don't take these - they are bad for you. She of course ignored him too.
Then some weeks later she had gone shopping with one of her friends and when they stopped for coffee and on trying to add the sweetener to her coffee, her friend had also said to her - don't take thse, they are bad for you.
She had then thought - hey three people are telling me these bad, I will not use them and see what happens.
In her email to me she had written, my diabetes was bad and I was not able to control my blood sugar level.

Now that I have given up aspartame, my blood sugar level is normal and I am NOT a diabetic!
Regards

Soroush

Soroush,
The research focused more on saccharin, which is hardly used now in most sugar free products in the USA and mainly in diet soda dispensed from fountains.
Study claims the sugar substitutes cause gut dysbiosis then predispose, causes diabetes.
While saccharin, aspartame, sucralose may alter gut flora, if that significantly causes diabetes, many who go on low carb, ketogenic, Atkins, etc. diets would become diabetic
Does this happen frequently??
Not studied was any benefit from taking probiotics with sugar subs, what refined carbs were eaten that promote dysbiosis, candida, yeast overgrowth.
Many food additives, preservatives, chemicals, etc. can cause gut dysbiosis.
Aspartame, a brain excitotoxin similar in effect to MSG, is said to be linked to Parkinson's and I get muscle aches and headaches when having used it.
Sucralose/Splenda has liver issues, I find it sometimes raises my blood sugar after use.
Using first cyclamates, then saccharin since the 70s, and still do albeit much less, those had no ill effect.
Only the 2nd generation sugar subs seem to be more problematic.
While now diabetic from inheritance, cyclamates and saccharin didn't cause diabetes due to gut dysbiosis since I've been using them for 30 years prior to becoming diabetic and was already pre-diabetic before ever using them.
One plus is more research is being done on gut flora, probiotics and relation to disease and homeopathy is already there with bowel nosodes.
It's not clear if your friend's diabetes due to aspartame was caused by it's possible gut dysbiosis effects or others.
Nor is it clear that taking probiotics and not using any artificial sugar substitures can reverse diabetes
Depends on individual susceptibilities, inherited weaknesses, etc. along with what foods are being consumed.
http://www.caloriecontrol.org/pressrele ... olerance-b
Study published in Nature, needs $ubs to read fully.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/va ... 13793.html
Susan

THis is true, and was proved many years ago by Professors Heller and Heller (married to each other after working in research together).
The mechanism is this:
Any sweet TASTE is perceived in the mouth and causes the release of insulin in preparation for the expected sugar.
When the insulin is repeatedly released but finds no sugar, it causes insulin resistance = Type 2 diabetes.
There is evidence though I no longer have the refs, proving that the companies produing the artificial sweeteners KNEW this but withheld the evidence from the approval process, before they ever sold it.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Sounds iffy research, maybe true for some, less or not true for inherited insulin resistance.
I routinely have blood insulin levels measured.
Being strict on Atkins, no/low carb in ketosis, using sugar substitutes, my insulin level dropped from 22 to 8 this past summer.
Thus, I disproved that theory is an absolute truth.
Susan

I have been a big believer in "natural" since I was 5 years old, without any help from my family. But I still wonder if stevia is going to be a problem. Refined stevia is highly processed. I know that stevia is sort of natural, unlike those chemical sweeteners. I would love any thoughts from any of you. I have gone hardcore low carbs, but I still have some diabetes symptoms.

Roger Bird
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To: finrod@finrod.co.uk
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:00:00 +0100
Subject: [Minutus] The Guardian - Artificial sweeteners may promote diabetes
Artificial sweeteners may promote diabetes, claim scientists
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014 ... lood-sugar
A personal story!

Colleagues who know me, know that since about 1999 I have been sending info on aspartame in particular to friends and colleagues.
Some years back, a cousin emailed to say thank you.

She had been diagnosed with diabetes and her doctor in US had advised her strongly that she must use canderel (Aspartame). She had of course dismissed my meessage! Then she had gone to another relatives house and when trying to add the sweetener to her coffee, the host had said, don't take these - they are bad for you. She of course ignored him too.
Then some weeks later she had gone shopping with one of her friends and when they stopped for coffee and on trying to add the sweetener to her coffee, her friend had also said to her - don't take thse, they are bad for you.
She had then thought - hey three people are telling me these bad, I will not use them and see what happens.
In her email to me she had written, my diabetes was bad and I was not able to control my blood sugar level.

Now that I have given up aspartame, my blood sugar level is normal and I am NOT a diabetic!
Regards

Soroush

stevia is an herb. kind a looks like basil a little. it is a green leaf. if your stevia is not green it is no longer a green leaf herb but a processed artificial sweetener. grow your own. dehydrate it and grind up the leaf. that is stevia
vicki
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Subject: RE: [Minutus] The Guardian - Artificial sweeteners may promote diabetes
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 19, 2014, 12:38 PM
I have
been a big believer in "natural" since I was 5
years old, without any help from my family. But I still
wonder if stevia is going to be a problem. Refined stevia
is highly processed. I know that stevia is sort of
natural, unlike those chemical sweeteners. I would love
any thoughts from any of you. I have gone hardcore low
carbs, but I still have some diabetes symptoms.
Roger Bird
To:
finrod@finrod.co.uk
From:
minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 19 Sep
2014 13:00:00 +0100
Subject: [Minutus] The
Guardian - Artificial sweeteners may promote diabetes
Artificial sweeteners may promote
diabetes, claim scientists http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014 ... lood-sugar A personal story!Colleagues who know me, know that
since about 1999 I have been sending info on aspartame in
particular to friends and colleagues. Some years back, a cousin emailed
to say thank you.She had been diagnosed with
diabetes and her doctor in US had advised her strongly that
she must use canderel (Aspartame). She had of course
dismissed my meessage! Then she had gone to another
relatives house and when trying to add the sweetener to her
coffee, the host had said, don't take these - they are
bad for you. She of course ignored him too. Then some weeks later she had gone
shopping with one of her friends and when they stopped for
coffee and on trying to add the sweetener to her coffee,
her friend had also said to her - don't take thse, they
are bad for you. She had then thought - hey three
people are telling me these bad, I will not use them and see
what happens. In her email to me she had
written, my diabetes was bad and I was not able to control
my blood sugar level.Now that I have given up
aspartame, my blood sugar level is normal and I am NOT a
diabetic! RegardsSoroush

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