Minutus

Dear all,

I've a question... how close is too close.....

Here's the situation.
There was a situation where I gave some alternating remedies for an acute problem. To make it simple for the patient, I simply put quantities of the two remedies into one vial. My thinking being, as she was dosing frequently over the next day or two, the odds were she'd certainly get both remedies over time.

Be that as it may re: the prescibing (as I know some reader will certainly want to jump on that), I've a question about the pharmacy and the pills.

I was challenged, later, that by putting two remedies into one vial they will "mix" or "blend" and thus cancel each other out, or mess them up somehow.

My thinking is: how close is too close?
After all, most of us agree that the remedies have an energy field and yet we pack them very close together in our kits. With only the layer of glass or plastic vial to separate them. Certainly there too, their respective energy fields must intersect. Yet we never feel that these remedies are "infecting" one another. Should we give them to patients, often they are in a plastic ziplock envelope or plastic vial by which they're stored by the patient in a larger envelope or just stuffed into a pocket.

Any comments out there?
With regards,
Didi Ananda Ruchira | Tel: +254 (0)723-869133 | www.abhalight.org

Taboo. It is absolutely forbidden to admin. two remedies at the same time . . according to the Organon
However, the admin. of nosodes of three(?) different species of plasmodia, as you have done, might be an exception . . you should know by now.
best,
John
In a message dated 4/3/2014 10:25:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, abhalight@gmail.com writes:
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Yes but only the energy fields intersect, not the energy SOURCE.

I have found it works to mix extremely similar remedies. For example, experience has shown that if you mix three feline upper respiratory tautopathic remedies together it works better for prophylaxis or infection of/by the associated infections, than any of them alone. Likewise for say three remedies aimed at immune system building such as tautopathic remedies for three different immune compromise feline diseases.

But it makes no sense to me to mix remedies for very different symptoms or systems, as imperfect individual matches may well antidote, and they can be expected to have some quite different frequency when combined.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hi Susan,

thanks for the humidity factor insight, I hadn't considered it. Still have to think about it before I'll agree with you....
don't know that the MMs idea would pass muster in our homeopahic world communities. and I don't know if that would pass the test either as far as this discussion goes..... (sugar coating a sugar pill... if the moisture or energetic theory holds, wouldn't there still be transferance due to close contact between layers?)

PS as for the humidity factor, indeed this is the wet season right now, and much of the year its as dry as a bone.
At 10:13 04-04-14, you wrote:

Dear Didi,
The basis of homoeopathy is the practitioner’s knowledge of the ability of a single, simple substance to closely imitate the patient’s symptoms.
When you consider that properly, it becomes absurdly obvious that mixing two medicines or even blindly alternating their prescription can’t have any such basis.
The answer to your query is as simple as that, really. Just give it some thought.
Kind regards,
John

Hi All,

Really guys! Come on!

Yet again, my question was -rephrased since you couldn't understand it the first time- can remedies physically touch and not be "infected" or "influenced" by each other? So how close (physically) is too close?

(which still, in its own right, has nothing to do with philosophy, polypharm or even alternating remedies.)

Now I know that some are so poly-phobic that no matter what is asked they only see RED and will take opportunity to rant against it .......even if has little to do with the question asked.

Or maybe they feel threatened to discuss some unusal topics?

Or have so little experience in acute diseases such as typhoid, malaria, typhoid-malaria, brucellosis, biharzia, etc & just can't imagine how to approach such diseases??

ALTERNATING REMEDIES (didn't want to talk about it but you're insisting....)
Obviously, alternating remedies has been debated for centuries. However, even if YOU don't agree with every master or book, nevertheless there's precedents. Among the classic writers are those who acknowledge the possibility of alternating remedy prescriptions.

So, whass da matta wid u? You a better homeopath than Hering or Boehninghausen? You can't look at it calmly? Is it a baby and bath water kind of thing with you? Are ya gonna throw out Boeh from your library 'cause he promoted his 5 croup rx? Neatby? Hering? Nash? Julian? Knorr? Hale? And see passage below - even Hahnemann used alternating remedies..... (oopsie!)

While I make no claims to expertise or special understanding of the subject, you can't make me believe that its absolutely taboo for MINUTUS readers to even debate or consider its aspects without being talked at and shut down.

So, my dear classicist colleagues, if you can't answer a reader's question, I suggest you just don't write. There's no need of sidetracking to your favourite rant and frustrate everyone with rhetoric we've heard ad nauseum.

I asked a sincere question and appreciate & thank those who attempted to think about an answer.

Anyone who wants to write me privately with their insights, I'd appreciate it.

************
For what its worth, if you want to THINK about it....here's a few passages from MacRep.

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Nash TheTestimony of the Clinic
....Here was a case in which two remedies seemed about equally indicated at different times, and they were used as Hahnemann used Bryonia and Rhus in his typhoid fever epidemic. Stramonium was used in the first described conditions, and when it changed Apis mel. was used. the patient made a perfect recovery under these two remedies so used. (Nash.) .... Remarks. This is the only kind of alternation of remedies that can be defended from the standpoint of Similia Similibus.

=======
A Study Of Apis Mellifica. By M. W. Van Denburg, M. D., Fort Edward, N. Y.
....Alternates. - Alternation of remedies, while strongly opposed by some, is, however widely used with much satisfaction, by others.
....Hering says, in Guiding Symptoms: "Apis alternates well with iodine in swelling of the knee; sulphur in swollen eyes; hepar in urticaria; mercurius in ascites with peritonitis; lycopod, in staphyloma. "
...Apis also, as intimated already, alternates well with aconite in febrile, cases, especially in the first stage of intra - cranial inflammation. In the second stage it acts well in alternation with helleborus; with bell, also in suppressed menses, from cold or ovaritis, and in coccygitis, where the 3x has always proved satisfactory in my practice.
========

Julian New Remedies
....The three remedies can be injected together or successively, every 3 hours, I.V., and if as a result the attack is terminated, this should be continued at the rate of one injection per day, alternating the remedies I.V. or I.M.

======
Hartmann Homeopathic Remedies
.... it is more proper under circumstances such as these, to alternate this remedy with nux. twelve to eighteen, which should supply the place of second dose of bryonia. Two or three doses of each remedy are frequently sufficient to remove an obstinate asthmatic affection of this character.

=====
Smith Before And After Surgical Operations.
...I often give Iodine as a constitutional remedy, alternating with it some remedy that meets the more acute symptoms.

=====
Carey The Biochemic System of Medicine
....This remedy, alternated with Ferrum Phos., generally cures (compare Magnes. Phos.).
=====

Hale - Materia Medica
.....The remedies which alternate or follow with good effect, the Kali hypophos, are China, Hydrastis, Helonias, and Aletris. In pulmonary affections it is often alternated with Rumes, Sanguinaria, and Sulphur, with good results.

=====
Bernard The Homeopathic Treatment of Constipation
....According to Hartmann, benefit is often derived, in such cases, from the intercurrent use of Bryonia 18, while Knorr considers Sulphur as one of the best alternating remedies.

=====
Homeopathic World 1924
....Those forms of paresis and paralysis of the lower limbs calling for Sulphur lie also in the sphere of Tuberculinum, alternate the remedies every 8 - 14 days as long as indicated.

=====
Dr. Fortier-Bernoville Remedies of the circulatory and respiratory system
....In laryngitis, influenza, laryngeal cough, catarrhal laryngitis with incessant cough, it is always better not to wait for simillimum. It is better to use the more sure remedies alternately. For example we may prescribe Drosera 200 one dose, followed every hour by Sambucus 6, Rumex 6 and Spongia 6. We will thus have a good and rapid result.

=====
Philadelphia Journal of Homeopathy, Sept., 1852, page 273. "Aconite," compiled from Dr. Kaspar's lectures, by Carroll Dunham, M.D
....General Indications. Aconite is generally indicated, 1. In all inflammations in the beginning, against the vascular excitement which always prevails, before the disease is fully developed. Its action is brief, and does not interfere with that of subsequent prescriptions. 2. As an alternating remedy after the development of the disease, when the vascular excitement continues.

=====
With regards,
Didi Ananda Ruchira | Tel: +254 (0)723-869133 | www.abhalight.org

I assume you mean when they are still in their bottles?
Amen! Discussion, yes!!! (Oops sorry, my enthusiasm is showing…)

Shannon

Hi Didi,
Don’t know if this will make things better or worse but was told recently at a seminar that in the case of say glass vials next to each other if one has a remedy in and the other hasn’t transference of the remedy can take place but if they both have remedies in it won’t!! Just wish I could remember where this subject came up.
Rochelle
Rochelle Marsden MSc RSHom MNWCH AAMET

Southport Homeopathic Practice

Registered Homeopath and EFT (Cert. Advanced) Practitioner

www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

https://www.facebook.com/southporthomeopathicpractice


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Sent: 05 April 2014 19:32
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Re: how close is too close....
Hi All,

Really guys! Come on!

Yet again, my question was -rephrased since you couldn't understand it the first time- can remedies physically touch and not be "infected" or "influenced" by each other? So how close (physically) is too close?

(which still, in its own right, has nothing to do with philosophy, polypharm or even alternating remedies.)

Now I know that some are so poly-phobic that no matter what is asked they only see RED and will take opportunity to rant against it .......even if has little to do with the question asked.

Or maybe they feel threatened to discuss some unusal topics?

Or have so little experience in acute diseases such as typhoid, malaria, typhoid-malaria, brucellosis, biharzia, etc & just can't imagine how to approach such diseases??

ALTERNATING REMEDIES (didn't want to talk about it but you're insisting....)
Obviously, alternating remedies has been debated for centuries. However, even if YOU don't agree with every master or book, nevertheless there's precedents. Among the classic writers are those who acknowledge the possibility of alternating remedy prescriptions.

So, whass da matta wid u? You a better homeopath than Hering or Boehninghausen? You can't look at it calmly? Is it a baby and bath water kind of thing with you? Are ya gonna throw out Boeh from your library 'cause he promoted his 5 croup rx? Neatby? Hering? Nash? Julian? Knorr? Hale? And see passage below - even Hahnemann used alternating remedies..... (oopsie!)

While I make no claims to expertise or special understanding of the subject, you can't make me believe that its absolutely taboo for MINUTUS readers to even debate or consider its aspects without being talked at and shut down.

So, my dear classicist colleagues, if you can't answer a reader's question, I suggest you just don't write. There's no need of sidetracking to your favourite rant and frustrate everyone with rhetoric we've heard ad nauseum.

I asked a sincere question and appreciate & thank those who attempted to think about an answer.

Anyone who wants to write me privately with their insights, I'd appreciate it.

************
For what its worth, if you want to THINK about it....here's a few passages from MacRep.

=======
Nash TheTestimony of the Clinic
....Here was a case in which two remedies seemed about equally indicated at different times, and they were used as Hahnemann used Bryonia and Rhus in his typhoid fever epidemic. Stramonium was used in the first described conditions, and when it changed Apis mel. was used. the patient made a perfect recovery under these two remedies so used. (Nash.) .... Remarks. This is the only kind of alternation of remedies that can be defended from the standpoint of Similia Similibus.

=======
A Study Of Apis Mellifica. By M. W. Van Denburg, M. D., Fort Edward, N. Y.
....Alternates. - Alternation of remedies, while strongly opposed by some, is, however widely used with much satisfaction, by others.
....Hering says, in Guiding Symptoms: "Apis alternates well with iodine in swelling of the knee; sulphur in swollen eyes; hepar in urticaria; mercurius in ascites with peritonitis; lycopod, in staphyloma. "
...Apis also, as intimated already, alternates well with aconite in febrile, cases, especially in the first stage of intra - cranial inflammation. In the second stage it acts well in alternation with helleborus; with bell, also in suppressed menses, from cold or ovaritis, and in coccygitis, where the 3x has always proved satisfactory in my practice.
========

Julian New Remedies
....The three remedies can be injected together or successively, every 3 hours, I.V., and if as a result the attack is terminated, this should be continued at the rate of one injection per day, alternating the remedies I.V. or I.M.

======
Hartmann Homeopathic Remedies
.... it is more proper under circumstances such as these, to alternate this remedy with nux. twelve to eighteen, which should supply the place of second dose of bryonia. Two or three doses of each remedy are frequently sufficient to remove an obstinate asthmatic affection of this character.

=====
Smith Before And After Surgical Operations.
...I often give Iodine as a constitutional remedy, alternating with it some remedy that meets the more acute symptoms.

=====
Carey The Biochemic System of Medicine
....This remedy, alternated with Ferrum Phos., generally cures (compare Magnes. Phos.).
=====

Hale - Materia Medica
.....The remedies which alternate or follow with good effect, the Kali hypophos, are China, Hydrastis, Helonias, and Aletris. In pulmonary affections it is often alternated with Rumes, Sanguinaria, and Sulphur, with good results.

=====
Bernard The Homeopathic Treatment of Constipation
....According to Hartmann, benefit is often derived, in such cases, from the intercurrent use of Bryonia 18, while Knorr considers Sulphur as one of the best alternating remedies.

=====
Homeopathic World 1924
....Those forms of paresis and paralysis of the lower limbs calling for Sulphur lie also in the sphere of Tuberculinum, alternate the remedies every 8 - 14 days as long as indicated.

=====
Dr. Fortier-Bernoville Remedies of the circulatory and respiratory system
....In laryngitis, influenza, laryngeal cough, catarrhal laryngitis with incessant cough, it is always better not to wait for simillimum. It is better to use the more sure remedies alternately. For example we may prescribe Drosera 200 one dose, followed every hour by Sambucus 6, Rumex 6 and Spongia 6. We will thus have a good and rapid result.

=====
Philadelphia Journal of Homeopathy, Sept., 1852, page 273. "Aconite," compiled from Dr. Kaspar's lectures, by Carroll Dunham, M.D
....General Indications. Aconite is generally indicated, 1. In all inflammations in the beginning, against the vascular excitement which always prevails, before the disease is fully developed. Its action is brief, and does not interfere with that of subsequent prescriptions. 2. As an alternating remedy after the development of the disease, when the vascular excitement continues.

=====
With regards,
Didi Ananda Ruchira | Tel: +254 (0)723-869133 | www.abhalight.org

In "The Emerging Science of Homeopathy" by Bellavite and Signori, you can find the experiment where a vial of TSH 30C was taped to the exterior of an aquarium containing Axolotls (an amphibian that stays in tadpole state because it lacks TSH for the transformation, it is its adult stage with reproductive capacity) and just the presence of it induced the transformation of tadpole into "adult", something that had only be seen with the hormone put directly in water.

There is also the practice of grafting a remedy by filling a vial that is almost empty with blank globules and they are then becoming therapeutically active.

But that relates to conditions where there is no "energetic information content in the carrier" for lack of a better term, otherwise all the bottles in the homeopathic pharmacies would be permanently compromised and ineffective.

Actually interesting if we could measure the "field of action" of a remedy....another subject of research added to the list, if and when we can get our hands on labs.....

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

Remedies can be broadcast by a radio type device over a thousand miles that I know of.

When a relative's daughter cellphoned her mom from somewhere in the Namib desert after a cobra bite while on a camping trip, my relative broadcast her a remedy to save her life, which it did.

She had some kind of device to do it with, into which she put the remedy and a piece of daughter's hair, and tuned it. Sounds weird I know but it worked. I was told the broadcast machines used to be common but were banned at some stage by whoever thought them witchcraft. It was commomn practice to broadcast remedies but it needed tuning to something with the individual's DNA.

I have tried to research this broadcasting machine and method further with no luck to date.

But I like that there is a DNA issue involved in matching the remedy to where it must act in the universe.

Wrap your minds around that if you wish:-)
Namaste,
Irene

--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."