Minutus

Yet again, synchronicity provides me a new remedy suggestion and I have Sheri and Kari Kindem to thank, a 2nd time!
As in the past, when I needed a new remedy direction, treatment idea or homeopath, I put the thoughts out there and it arrives through the universe somehow usually when I need it.
Previously, Sheri posted one of Kari's cases which soon led to a strong recommendation for TubK, where I'm now upto LM12, though I had to switch to Calc Carb LM24, as the increase from TubK LM11 to LM12 was too intense. A month on TubK LM11 was not a problem and the back and forth between the two remedies seem to work better vs. continuing up the LM scale on just one. This could be explained by the relationship between an antipsoric constitutional and an antimiasmatic along with various writings about miasmatic prescribing and treatment while both have acted like similimums in their own right.
While I've seen the term bowel nosodes, this is the first time I've read in detail about them.
Interesting after all these years I haven't seen a thread about them and didn't know they have a strong history and usage.
http://homeoint.org/books5/paterson/bowelnosodes.htm
I have no doubt one or more of the bowel nosodes would be helpful as I fit so much of why to use it including my latent psora background and case stagnation along with Type B non secretor blood where adherence of good bacteria is a problem requiring high dosages often, which I've done for many years. Candida, dysbiosis and I have a long history and is how I discovered Dr. Luc in his pre-homeopath days from his helpful book Candida.
The table of bowel nosodes points to Morgan Pure as it includes all current and past remedies I've taken.
Now, when I checked with Helios, they offer the individual Morgans and other bowel nosodes, a Poly Morgan Combination remedy containing Dys Co, Morgan Bach, Morgan Gaertner, Morgan Pure, Proteus Bach, Sycotic Co, Mutabile, Gaertner (Bach), Morgan Co, and Bacillus No. 7. Form and also a Morgan Bach blend (Morgan Pure and Morgan Gaertner) of which the two are described as subtypes to Morgan Bach. Seems like they're made like Bach Remedies and Schlusser cell salts, individually or as total combos.
Has anyone used these bowel nosodes individually and/or as poly or combo and had noticeable results?
Susan

I use the individual ones with patients when needed, often when a well indicated remedy has stopped working. The golden rule I was taught with the bowel nosodes was not to repeat for 3 months because it takes that long to repopulate the bowel.
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Yet again, synchronicity provides me a new remedy suggestion and I have Sheri and Kari Kindem to thank, a 2nd time!
As in the past, when I needed a new remedy direction, treatment idea or homeopath, I put the thoughts out there and it arrives through the universe somehow usually when I need it.
Previously, Sheri posted one of Kari's cases which soon led to a strong recommendation for TubK, where I'm now upto LM12, though I had to switch to Calc Carb LM24, as the increase from TubK LM11 to LM12 was too intense. A month on TubK LM11 was not a problem and the back and forth between the two remedies seem to work better vs. continuing up the LM scale on just one. This could be explained by the relationship between an antipsoric constitutional and an antimiasmatic along with various writings about miasmatic prescribing and treatment while both have acted like similimums in their own right.
While I've seen the term bowel nosodes, this is the first time I've read in detail about them.

Interesting after all these years I haven't seen a thread about them and didn't know they have a strong history and usage.
http://homeoint.org/books5/paterson/bowelnosodes.htm
I have no doubt one or more of the bowel nosodes would be helpful as I fit so much of why to use it including my latent psora background and case stagnation along with Type B non secretor blood where adherence of good bacteria is a problem requiring high dosages often, which I've done for many years. Candida, dysbiosis and I have a long history and is how I discovered Dr. Luc in his pre-homeopath days from his helpful book Candida.
The table of bowel nosodes points to Morgan Pure as it includes all current and past remedies I've taken.
Now, when I checked with Helios, they offer the individual Morgans and other bowel nosodes, a Poly Morgan Combination remedy containing Dys Co, Morgan Bach, Morgan Gaertner, Morgan Pure, Proteus Bach, Sycotic Co, Mutabile, Gaertner (Bach), Morgan Co, and Bacillus No. 7. Form and also a Morgan Bach blend (Morgan Pure and Morgan Gaertner) of which the two are described as subtypes to Morgan Bach. Seems like they're made like Bach Remedies and Schlusser cell salts, individually or as total combos.
Has anyone used these bowel nosodes individually and/or as poly or combo and had noticeable results?
Susan

Thanks Rochelle!
I see Helios offers them in various potencies, C and LMs.
What potency do find most useful or do you vary as Paterson writes below?
One dry dose, a few water doses?
The 30C he recommends for tubercular, chronic seems low to me.
I usually take a new remedy in 200C water a few doses
Best.
Susan
Paterson writes:
As in general homœopathic practice the more obvious the "mentals" the higher the potency, but if there are marked pathological symptoms the general rule is to employ the lower potencies.
With outstanding "mentals" I prefer the nosode in 1m potency or higher, if obtainable, but if there is obvious evidence of advanced pathological conditions such as advanced rheumatoid arthritis, or malignancy, I would employ the 6c potency and give this in a daily dose over a period, the duration of which would be determined by clinical observation and evidence of reaction.
Between these extremes there is an intermediate level of potency -The 30C- which I have found useful where there is a combination of acute and chronic, e. g. in acute broncho-pneumonia superimposed upon a chronic condition, with a miasmatic background, a tubercular diathesis.
The number and frequency of the doses of the chosen nosode can be determined only by clinical observation and experience.
The higher the potency chosen the less frequent the repetition and number of doses, is a good working rule for the use of the nosodes, but it has been found a useful practice to complement the action of a nosode in single high potency dose, with repeated doses of the low potency of an associated remedy

I have always used 1 dry dose of 30C with my patients or 3 doses in 24 hours (a UK way of prescribing!!)
Rochelle
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Thanks Rochelle!
I see Helios offers them in various potencies, C and LMs.
What potency do find most useful or do you vary as Paterson writes below?

One dry dose, a few water doses?
The 30C he recommends for tubercular, chronic seems low to me.
I usually take a new remedy in 200C water a few doses
Best.
Susan
Paterson writes:
As in general homœopathic practice the more obvious the "mentals" the higher the potency, but if there are marked pathological symptoms the general rule is to employ the lower potencies.
With outstanding "mentals" I prefer the nosode in 1m potency or higher, if obtainable, but if there is obvious evidence of advanced pathological conditions such as advanced rheumatoid arthritis, or malignancy, I would employ the 6c potency and give this in a daily dose over a period, the duration of which would be determined by clinical observation and evidence of reaction.
Between these extremes there is an intermediate level of potency -The 30C- which I have found useful where there is a combination of acute and chronic, e. g. in acute broncho-pneumonia superimposed upon a chronic condition, with a miasmatic background, a tubercular diathesis.
The number and frequency of the doses of the chosen nosode can be determined only by clinical observation and experience.
The higher the potency chosen the less frequent the repetition and number of doses, is a good working rule for the use of the nosodes, but it has been found a useful practice to complement the action of a nosode in single high potency dose, with repeated doses of the low potency of an associated remedy

Bowel nosodes can be every bit as powerful as other homeopathic remedies, so use them carefully. Combos are new to me, but I've seem good results with Proteus, Dys-co., and Gaertner, depending on the case. The energy of people who need these remedies constitutionally is definitely NOT that of your typical patient!
Peace,
Dale

Dale, please say more specifically what you mean about the energy of these patients? For my edification. Thank you.

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After rereading what Paterson wrote, I was thinking 30C would be safe as I'm an old case
Thanks for confirming!
Susan

It's hard to describe, Rachel. You just have the feeling that their energy is different from anything you've seen before, that it's unfamiliar and even weird. I'm thinking in particular of a Gaertner case of mine, exceedingly sensitive psychically as well as physically. Well beyond the usual "clairvoyance". He could even do remote viewing, which might have been scary had he not been so careful (i.e., sensitive) in his use of it. He'd also been diagnosed with celiac disease in infancy, which is extremely early for it to manifest and what clued me to the remedy.
I've seen a Proteus case of a boy with hypospadias. Very odd and energetic way of playing with his toys: everything had to be smashed together. Not to break it, but to make a lot of clashing noise.
Peace,
Dale

Thank you! Will file away.

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Thanks Dale, hopefully I'll have more energy!
Just ordered only Morgan Pure 30C and a few Carc LMs for a patient I'm moving from 200C.
Susan