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Post 2

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:23 pm
by Ardavan Shahrdar
# 2
When there is no consensus on how a basic term such as 'homeopathy' is defined, why using a single term for different referents? Isopathy, nosode therapy, prescriptions based on doctrine of signatures, biochemic remedies, etc... are all mistakenly called homeopathy. I am not devaluating these methods but it is risky to gather all under a single category. The definition of simillimum as Hahnemann defined is not as easy as to superficially interpret the Hippocratian 'Similia Simillibus Curentur'. I do not like to be a traditional fundamentalist but it is important to fathom carefully how the term was initially coined. As mentioned previously, homeopathy is not defined by just using dynamized remedies in treatments. Keep in mind that in 1796 when homeopathy was born, crude materials and not the potentized ones were being used!

Kind regards,

Ardavan Shahrdar

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Re: Post 2

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:14 pm
by Tanya Marquette
I think some of the confusion, if not all of it, comes from the mixed use of
various remedies. For example, nosodes that have been proven and are used
within the context of homeopathic principles, are homeopathy. However, when
nosodes are used as a particular therapy in themselves, it is not homeopathy.
And then we have the way remedies are used as specifics such as vets giving
combos for arthritis or organ problems and also using these along with other
allopathic medicines.
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# 2
When there is no consensus on how a basic term such as 'homeopathy' is defined, why using a single term for different referents? Isopathy, nosode therapy, prescriptions based on doctrine of signatures, biochemic remedies, etc... are all mistakenly called homeopathy. I am not devaluating these methods but it is risky to gather all under a single category. The definition of simillimum as Hahnemann defined is not as easy as to superficially interpret the Hippocratian 'Similia Simillibus Curentur'. I do not like to be a traditional fundamentalist but it is important to fathom carefully how the term was initially coined. As mentioned previously, homeopathy is not defined by just using dynamized remedies in treatments. Keep in mind that in 1796 when homeopathy was born, crude materials and not the potentized ones were being used!
Kind regards,

Ardavan Shahrdar

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Re: Post 2

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:44 pm
by Fran Sheffield
One of the best things that has come out of the hostilities and attacks from the skeptic camp is that as a profession, we are being forced to become more accurate with our definitions and terminology if we don't want to appear absolutely clueless and inconsistent - and from my perspective this is a very good thing.

If each approach is clearly defined and understood, it alone is then responsible for justifying its practices and reasoning. For too long, homeopathy has had to carry the can for other things that are not truly homeopathy yet want to sit under its umbrella. Without the skeptics drawing attention to obvious inconsistencies, this would have continued.

Regards,
Fran.

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Re: Post 2

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:57 pm
by Tanya Marquette
I agree. and that means that homeopaths need to explain to clients what they
are doing—what is and is not homeopathy
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From: Fran Sheffield
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 5:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Post 2

One of the best things that has come out of the hostilities and attacks from the skeptic camp is that as a profession, we are being forced to become more accurate with our definitions and terminology if we don't want to appear absolutely clueless and inconsistent - and from my perspective this is a very good thing.

If each approach is clearly defined and understood, it alone is then responsible for justifying its practices and reasoning. For too long, homeopathy has had to carry the can for other things that are not truly homeopathy yet want to sit under its umbrella. Without the skeptics drawing attention to obvious inconsistencies, this would have continued.

Regards,
Fran.

Froprovide them w, and from my perspective

Re: Post 2

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:24 am
by ShakirMM
Dear Ardavan,
I wonder about what you said and will look forward to read that what exactly homeopathy is.......
Many a times the similimum (in my own thinking) doesn't work. Then I will say;
1. This remedy was not made properly by the pharmacist
2. The dynamization was improper
3. The dose was not selective
4. Repetition may be wrong
5. Remedy may be outdated
6. Remedy may have lost its properties due to heat in room, fragrance from a person, some radio frequencies etc
and so on, to satisfy myself which I think is wrong.

So there must be some reasons which are hidden. Perhaps an experienced person like you may make us understand. Continuous failure in bringing back the health in shortest, easiest way for permanantly is increasing mistrust.

Best Regards,
Shakir
I agree. and that means that homeopaths need to explain to clients what they
are doing—what is and is not homeopathy
t
From: Fran Sheffield
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 5:44 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Post 2
One of the best things that has come out of the hostilities and attacks from the skeptic camp is that as a profession, we are being forced to become more accurate with our definitions and terminology if we don't want to appear absolutely clueless and inconsistent - and from my perspective this is a very good thing.

If each approach is clearly defined and understood, it alone is then responsible for justifying its practices and reasoning. For too long, homeopathy has had to carry the can for other things that are not truly homeopathy yet want to sit under its umbrella. Without the skeptics drawing attention to obvious inconsistencies, this would have continued.

Regards,
Fran.

Froprovide them w, and from my perspective

Re: Post 2

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:58 am
by Fran Sheffield
Hi Shakir,

May I may jump in with my thoughts as well?

Many times our prescriptions do work, and work well, but I'm conscious that homeopathy is more often a process or journey rather than a one hit wonder.

For many reasons we may not make the best prescription (unclear case, not told all the information, lack of knowledge or experience, maintaining causes and obstacles) but even a poor or bad prescription gives us useful information on where to go and what to do ... but only if we understand the different remedy responses and what they mean.

Once we know and understand these, each case can be well managed so that a poor prescriptions lead to better informed and more accurate prescriptions as we progress.

David Little taught well in this area and his insights can be read toward the end of the following link: http://www.simillimum.com/education/lit ... rticle.php

If I am faced with having prescribed a remedy which has produced no response, and I can't see a better remedy to prescribe, I will have the person take it repeatedly until it produces an aggravation or proving. These symptoms, along with other changes that may have taken place, very clearly show me where to go next. If the person still doesn't experience symptoms after regular dosing, only then will I consider some of the other problems you have listed.

Someone once likened it to a game of golf. It is possible to hit a hole in one but the same results can be achieved with multiple hits an puts as we zig-zag toward the flag. Understanding remedy responses allows us to fine-tune our prescriptions and do that.

Kind regards, Fran.

am always conscious that

Re: Post 2

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:30 pm
by ShakirMM
Thanks Fran for your kind post.
I agree to your analogy of Golf and multiple hits to achieve the goal.
But in homeopathy it is said that there is a duration of action of each drug. When you prescribe a remedy it is to be in dynamization as per patient's health economy, should be in smallest doses and frequency should be after seeing its effects. Now if the case is chronic, one can say OK wait for two to three days but if it's acute then waiting for so long may drain the patient.
The successes which are announced by famous homeopaths must have some clue which may be God gifted otherwise selecting a remedy either by knowledge of MM or Repping tool the results are normally the same as I stated in my previous mail.

Shakir
Hi Shakir,

May I may jump in with my thoughts as well?

Many times our prescriptions do work, and work well, but I'm conscious that homeopathy is more often a process or journey rather than a one hit wonder.

For many reasons we may not make the best prescription (unclear case, not told all the information, lack of knowledge or experience, maintaining causes and obstacles) but even a poor or bad prescription gives us useful information on where to go and what to do ... but only if we understand the different remedy responses and what they mean.

Once we know and understand these, each case can be well managed so that a poor prescriptions lead to better informed and more accurate prescriptions as we progress.

David Little taught well in this area and his insights can be read toward the end of the following link: http://www.simillimum.com/education/lit ... rticle.php

If I am faced with having prescribed a remedy which has produced no response, and I can't see a better remedy to prescribe, I will have the person take it repeatedly until it produces an aggravation or proving. These symptoms, along with other changes that may have taken place, very clearly show me where to go next. If the person still doesn't experience symptoms after regular dosing, only then will I consider some of the other problems you have listed.

Someone once likened it to a game of golf. It is possible to hit a hole in one but the same results can be achieved with multiple hits an puts as we zig-zag toward the flag. Understanding remedy responses allows us to fine-tune our prescriptions and do that.

Kind regards, Fran.

am always conscious that

Re: Post 2

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:20 am
by Ardavan Shahrdar
Dear Fran,

Yes, I agree with you. We need clear definitions. This is how homeopathy was born and how it should be lived. But unfortunately at the time being there is no consensus on definitions of terms. This is a prerequisite for any scientific field.

Regards,

Ardavan
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Re: Post 2

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:21 am
by Ardavan Shahrdar
Dear Tanya,

....And first tell to themselves what they are doing!

Warm regards,

Ardavan
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Re: Post 2

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:29 am
by Ardavan Shahrdar
Dear Shakir,

The errors specially appear in treatments of chronic patients and the reason is in misunderstanding what is behind Hahnemann's words of 'what is to be cured in diseases'. Understanding definition of 'simillimum' is the first and most important step.

Regards,

Ardavan
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