Minutus

The scientific analysis by the IIT –B of Homeopathic remedies even to 200c found nano particles in it. Which, obviously, means that the sample was below the Avogadro limit of 12c and was just labeled 200c and these were samples bought from the market.

Could our Homeopathic society do something about this very serious lapse by Homeo-pharma companies?

All we need to do is submit a sample of remedy above 12c and ask the lab if they can detect any molecules of the original remedy. This would show us if the sample was above the Avogadro limit or not.
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Yes. Look up clathrates, to understand better.
No that is your false assumption:-)
Also the Avogadro number has to do with molecular weights, so is invalid in homeoapathy, as moleclar weight is never used. Homeopathy is about parts by volume, not weights.
Therefore you need to use parts per milion or parts per billion, etc and not Avogadro to deide how dlute the water is, in which the energy resides.

WHat you are doing is like trying to measure electricity in a piece of copper wire. You can seek forever, you will not find it.

If you knew the chemistry of Avogadro's numebr you should know that it does not apply to dilutions by volume:-)
And if you ever read anythg about homeoapthy you woudl also know that the remedy system depends on energy not dilution water. enough dpuble blind trials have proved that difference.
No succussion - no energy - no remedy - no activity.
A remedy has succussion, and energy and activity.
Nanoparticles include clathrates. IF you know your clathrates, you are aware that they are equally functional in homeopathy, whether they contain a molecule of original substance, or only the empty water molecule cage shape of one.
There is no apse. The lapse is yours. Your chemistry is faulty, and homeopathy does nto work by chemistry anyway. You are, in effect, trying to get quince juice from a pomegranate without knowing what either of the friuts look like.
It would show nothing, a false analysis for a nonexistent concept, as explained above.

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Irene
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Lighten up a little, Irene. Actually particulate matter was indeed reportedly found in ultra Avogadro solutions by the Indians, reported in the Chikramane Transmission Electron Microscopy study.
Homeopathy. 2010 Oct;99(4):231-42.
Extreme homeopathic dilutions retain starting materials: A nanoparticulate perspective.
Chikramane PS, Suresh AK, Bellare JR, Kane SG.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20970092
How they explained this is that they theorized the particulate was rising to the surface of the solution and then being transferred to the next solution by the eye dropper, without mentioning liquid aqueous structuring being the conventional explanation, and a couple of well known homeopathy researchers went for it, but. I think it's a ridiculous theory . . I think it is more probable that due to the radiolytic qualities of water, redox, similar to molecular disassociation on a larger scale, that particulate matter can be divided, pulled apart in dilution and continue to populate succeeding solutions beyond theorized limits, eventually down to complete ionization, although Copeland implies ionization is complete by 6X, AND several studies have validated imponderabilia by showing the action of virgin homeopathic solutons not made from particulate, in vitro and in vivo, solutions that were made active by simply exposing them to radiation from active solutions in tightly capped containers om vitro, or in vivo by simply putting the container close to the subjects.
I do not believe these explanations are mutually exclusive . .
Irene, tell us more about genotypes . .
Benneth
But it's also possible that Chikrmananes TEM was detecting the signal of starting metals in solution, not hte particulate, and that what they were seeing as the original particulate was actually silicon chips from the vitro around which the charged clathrate nucleates . .
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