Minutus

We are thinking of moving back to the States. Given Irene's legal battle, I am trying to figure out where we could move and not be threatened the way Irene is.

Sheri Naken gave me a very nice description of California. I will past Sheri reply below. Our other option is Oregon where my other daughter lives. Does anyone know the legal status of homeopathy in Oregon?

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Here is Sheri's description of California, I did not ask her permission to quote her, but all the information is on a website that she gives below.
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No, anyone can practice homeopathy - California has a Health Freedom Act - just have to provide disclosure about what you do
http://www.californiahealthfreedom.com/ ... ah/htdocs/
http://www.californiahealthfreedom.com/ ... viders.asp
3. What are the requirements for compliance under SB-577?
There are two categories of compliance: thing you must do (such as disclose your training and qualifications to your clients in a written form) and things you must not do (such as represent yourself as a doctor or engage in potentially dangerous practices that doctors are allowed to do). You shouldread the bill
carefully for the complete requirements.
In addition, we have provided a 7-page analysis of the bill, which you can download
. Finally, you can also download
a sample Disclosure Form that you can modify for your practice. We also encourage you to seek counsel from your own private attorney as to how best to comply with SB-577 and the legal ramifications to your practice.

Register first to receive sample documents of disclosure forms download
http://www.californiahealthfreedom.com/ ... ration.asp
Good luck to you!
Sheri

Hello, Ellen - Some websites to peruse... HTH, Judith Mateo - Portland OR
http://www.homeopathicdirectory.com/ind ... &Itemid=99

http://www.victoriahomeopath.com/about/ ... -provider/

http://www.homeopathic.com/Articles/Fin ... ctice.html

http://naturopaths.healthprofs.com/cam/ ... &spec=3670

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0315.htm

http://work.chron.com/licensing-homeopa ... 23134.html

SEVEN STATES HAVE A HEALTH FREEDOM ACT WHICH WORKS FOR HUMAN HOMEOPATHY ONLY.
oops was not meaning to shout.

California, Idaho and not sure which others.

REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Yeah, but which states?

Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: furryboots@icehouse.net
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 06:20:56 -0800
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Legal status of Homeopathy in Oregon

SEVEN STATES HAVE A HEALTH FREEDOM ACT WHICH WORKS FOR HUMAN HOMEOPATHY ONLY.
oops was not meaning to shout.

California, Idaho and not sure which others.

REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hi Ellen,
Read ORS 685.060 for licensing requirements in God's country http://www.oregon.gov/OBNM/rules/ORS685_2009-2011.pdf.
Apparently Christian Scientists and chiropractors are exempt from healing requirements covered by the statute . .
"(1) This chapter does not apply to any:
(a) Physician licensed by the Oregon
Medical Board to practice medicine,
osteopathy or podiatry;
(b) Chiropractor licensed by the
State Board of Chiropractic Examiners; or
(c) Christian Scientist or other
person who by religious or spiritual means
endeavors to prevent or cure disease or
suffering in accord with the tenets of any
church.
LOL!
So I guess the metaphysicians in
the Hahnemannian Church of Homoeopathy,
in accord with the Organon, are exempt?
BTW, Portland features the nation's oldest school of "homeopathy" and naturopathic medicine, the National College of Natural Medicine, which has a great homoeopathic pharmacy. Andre Seine is one of their grads.
The Portland area is crawling with naturopaths, most of whom, I presume, practice "homeopathy."
This of course does not mean that anyone in Portland understands homoeopathy
(It's better than nothing)
In any event, I'm sure that Oregon would welcome you, whereever you land.
Benneth
In a message dated 12/6/2013 1:06:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ellen.madono@gmail.com writes:
John Benneth, Homoeopath
PG Hom - London (Hons.)
http://johnbenneth.com
SKYPE: John Benneth (Portland, Oregon)
503- 819 - 7777 (USA)

Hi Ellen,

I live in Texas and it has a very unique provision in its state constitution. To my knowledge it is the only state where alternative choices are protected by the state constitution.

Specifically, Article 16, Section 31 of the Constitution of the State of Texas states: "The Legislature may pass laws prescribing the qualifications of practitioners of medicine in this state, and to punish persons for malpractice, but no preference shall ever be given by law to any schools of medicine." Accordingly, the Texas legislature plainly stated in the construction paragraph of the Medical Practice Act, which is the primary regulatory guidance for physicians practicing within the state, that the Act prohibits discriminating against a school or system of medical practice.[15] In short, although modern medicine substantially favors scientifically based modalities, the Texas constitution, legislature, the Texas Board of Medical Examiners and citizens of the state recognize alternative forms of healthcare practices.[16]

Sincerely,

Mary Ann Gilmore

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From: "jrbenneth@aol.com"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Legal status of Homeopathy in Oregon
Hi Ellen,
Read ORS 685.060 for licensing requirements in God's country http://www.oregon.gov/OBNM/rules/ORS685_2009-2011.pdf.
Apparently Christian Scientists and chiropractors are exempt from healing requirements covered by the statute . .
"(1) This chapter does not apply to any:
(a) Physician licensed by the Oregon
Medical Board to practice medicine,
osteopathy or podiatry;
(b) Chiropractor licensed by the
State Board of Chiropractic Examiners; or
(c) Christian Scientist or other
person who by religious or spiritual means
endeavors to prevent or cure disease or
suffering in accord with the tenets of any
church.
LOL!
So I guess the metaphysicians in
the Hahnemannian Church of Homoeopathy,
in accord with the Organon, are exempt?
BTW, Portland features the nation's oldest school of "homeopathy" and naturopathic medicine, the National College of Natural Medicine, which has a great homoeopathic pharmacy. Andre Seine is one of their grads.
The Portland area is crawling with naturopaths, most of whom, I presume, practice "homeopathy."
This of course does not mean that anyone in Portland understands homoeopathy
(It's better than nothing)
In any event, I'm sure that Oregon would welcome you, whereever you land.
Benneth
In a message dated 12/6/2013 1:06:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ellen.madono@gmail.com writes:
John Benneth, Homoeopath
PG Hom - London (Hons.)
http://johnbenneth.com
SKYPE: John Benneth (Portland, Oregon)
503- 819 - 7777 (USA)

I forgot to add that there is no licensing here.

Sincerely,
Mary Ann Gilmore

________________________________

From: Mary Ann Gilmore
To: "minutus@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Legal status of Homeopathy in Oregon
Hi Ellen,

I live in Texas and it has a very unique provision in its state constitution. To my knowledge it is the only state where alternative choices are protected by the state constitution.

Specifically, Article 16, Section 31 of the Constitution of the State of Texas states: "The Legislature may pass laws prescribing the qualifications of practitioners of medicine in this state, and to punish persons for malpractice, but no preference shall ever be given by law to any schools of medicine." Accordingly, the Texas legislature plainly stated in the construction paragraph of the Medical Practice Act, which is the primary regulatory guidance for physicians practicing within the state, that the Act prohibits discriminating against a school or system of medical practice.[15] In short, although modern medicine substantially favors scientifically based modalities, the Texas constitution, legislature, the Texas Board of Medical Examiners and citizens of the state recognize alternative forms of healthcare practices.[16]

Sincerely,

Mary Ann Gilmore

________________________________

From: "jrbenneth@aol.com"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Legal status of Homeopathy in Oregon
Hi Ellen,
Read ORS 685.060 for licensing requirements in God's country http://www.oregon.gov/OBNM/rules/ORS685_2009-2011.pdf.
Apparently Christian Scientists and chiropractors are exempt from healing requirements covered by the statute . .
"(1) This chapter does not apply to any:
(a) Physician licensed by the Oregon
Medical Board to practice medicine,
osteopathy or podiatry;
(b) Chiropractor licensed by the
State Board of Chiropractic Examiners; or
(c) Christian Scientist or other
person who by religious or spiritual means
endeavors to prevent or cure disease or
suffering in accord with the tenets of any
church.
LOL!
So I guess the metaphysicians in
the Hahnemannian Church of Homoeopathy,
in accord with the Organon, are exempt?
BTW, Portland features the nation's oldest school of "homeopathy" and naturopathic medicine, the National College of Natural Medicine, which has a great homoeopathic pharmacy. Andre Seine is one of their grads.
The Portland area is crawling with naturopaths, most of whom, I presume, practice "homeopathy."
This of course does not mean that anyone in Portland understands homoeopathy
(It's better than nothing)
In any event, I'm sure that Oregon would welcome you, whereever you land.
Benneth
In a message dated 12/6/2013 1:06:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ellen.madono@gmail.com writes:
John Benneth, Homoeopath
PG Hom - London (Hons.)
http://johnbenneth.com
SKYPE: John Benneth (Portland, Oregon)
503- 819 - 7777 (USA)

So Ellen, as long as you erect a stature of Hahnemann in your office, start and end all appointments with readings from Organon and collect payments in donation box or tray you'll be fine in OR: ) On a more serious note - yes I remember somebody moving from CA to OR to practice homeopathy and saying that she has to register there as religious leader and declare her office as "a church". i thought she was joking at the time, but thanks to John, I see that she was not.

Arizona has recently changed law on HMA - you no longer have to be one to be able to practice homeopathy. But AZ is not exactly a health freedom state either, something in-between. AZ is also churning out licensed naturopaths with ~ 200 hours of homeopathic training and homeopathy included in their scope of practice.

It is news to be the Idaho is a health freedom state - good for them!

Minnesota is another health freedom state and a nice place to live in if you don't mind the weather, I guess. They also have very decent 4-year "lay" homeopath program with strong clinical component.
You can become a member of NASH (North American Society for Homeopaths), - they represent lay homeopath and can give you further legal advice, but I think you need to pass or mark in your application that you work toward CHC exam.

Another thing - if you plan to practice "remotely", then you definitely want to be based in health freedom state and then you can "see" patients from any state via Skype-type technology - the laws applies to the practitioner, not to the patient. Or , yes and you can not call them "patients", or mention any type of "treatment" or "cure" in your paperwork, if you practice in health freedom state. Maybe being based in Texas is an advantage since it gives you ability to say that you "treat following conditions".

V

Do you get the impression that the CHC exam is the gold standard for homeopaths, but then does the lay person have any frame of reference for any letters you put after your name, except maybe Ph.D or MD.

So where you locate your office is also part of the key. If you locate in freedom state CA but do work in Oregon you are ok?

Taboo words: patient, cure, Heal?

As far as I am concerned, I learn more from books and recorded lectures. So this maze of certifications should be reduced to the minimum.

At 07:15 PM 12/8/2013, you wrote:
Sorry to say, but it doesn't mean much to me - I have referred to hundreds of homeopaths over the last 20 years -mostly vax injured children and some adults and found it not to guarantee anything (no cert or licensure guarantees anything). I only refer to those I know get good results.
I agree - in theory it is good, but it doesn't guarantee anything
By phone, I suppose
Anything that allopathic medicine lays claim too. Mostly can't treat disease - but we don't anyway.
I agree.......I understand why people want to try and have them for standardization but they are meaningless.

Sheri
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
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