Response to Elham regarding the physics of homeopathy
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:13 am
What? A homeopath won't ever solve the mystery of potentization? Come on Elham . . since when does being a homeopath rule out understanding the physics of his remedies? Any homeopath worthy of the title should be digging into this, its not as impossible or difficult as you seem to portray it to be. And you're not being rude, but because I don't want to be rude I won't say what I think you're being. except to say you're as bad as the skeptoids. Historically anyone who starts talking about this and starts coming up with a physico-chemical explanation of homeopathy is immediately booed down by both sides, discredited, not just by pseudo-scientists, but by homeopaths as well
It seems to be the one thing that the homeopathy haters and homeopaths agree on, that because there shouldn't be an explanation there isn't one, because if there was it would make too many people look stupid, the mystagogues who have been banking on the ignorance of it.
Naturally you haven't read any of the pre-clinical literature for homeopathy, you haven't even tried, you probably are not even aware it exists. Nor will you, I suspect.
Homeopaths don't need to discover the science on their own, its already been done for them by non homeopaths.Three of the most revealing biochemical studies of "homeopathic remedies" were done by non-homeopaths, all three were "orthodox" immunologists and two of them have been Nobel prize winners . . Emil Behring (first Nobel prize for Medicine for diphtheria anti-toxin, which he claimed was homeopathic, like all vaccines) , Jacques Benveniste (renowned French immunologist, head of INSERM) who was crucified by James Randi, Nature Magazine AND George Vithoulkas (!) for essentially doing nothing more than replicating a biochmeical test that to date has been replicated two dozen times; and Luc Montagnier (2008 Nobel prize for AIDS) who discovered some really remarkable things about homeopathy.
The thing that Benveniste did that really blew the lid off the can was he discovered electromagnetic indices for the materials in question, and this was replicated by Montagnier in 2009, where in addition he found evidence that supramolecular structuring in the "remedies" was transducting background radiation into unique signals, verifying Hahnemann's claim that the action is magnetic, i.e. paramagnetic. When Montagnier filtered out the cystalliferous structuring, the remedy stopped "working."
As to the physics of the "homeopathic remedy," a seminal report in 2005 on The Structure of Liquid Water, Novel Insights from the Material Sciences and Potential Relevance to Homeopathy were done by three professors of the material scientists, two of them heads of their departments (Roy and TIller) and a professor of psychiatry known for her physical tests of "homeopathic remedies" (Bell).
Most of the most important physical and in vitro tests of homeopathic remedies have been done by non homeopaths.
The only thing left to determine is how supramolecular transduction works, which is a hell of a lot more than allopaths can do for their patented crap.
There is no chemical reaction in a "homeopathic remedy." The change isn't just in the electron shell, its a change in the nuclei of the H2O molecule. In other words, the action comes from a nuclear reaction, it's radioactive. "Homeopathic remedies" are medically in the class of low energy radiopharmaceuticals.
Now I've given you some things to chew on. Let's see if you can respond by moving just one piece, without knocking all the others off the board to end the game, like the skeptoids do.
Elham, to suggest there is no physical explanation for the dynamic action of supramolecular substances as used homeopathic medicine is nothing more than wishful thinking on your part, because as long as it remains unexplained, you can peddle it as magic instead of as the science of real medicine.
Mark my words, the people who refuse to understand what these materials used as medicine are electrochemically, will get run out of the business.
John Benneth
In a message dated 8/28/2013 10:19:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, elhamohajer@gmail.com writes:
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It seems to be the one thing that the homeopathy haters and homeopaths agree on, that because there shouldn't be an explanation there isn't one, because if there was it would make too many people look stupid, the mystagogues who have been banking on the ignorance of it.
Naturally you haven't read any of the pre-clinical literature for homeopathy, you haven't even tried, you probably are not even aware it exists. Nor will you, I suspect.
Homeopaths don't need to discover the science on their own, its already been done for them by non homeopaths.Three of the most revealing biochemical studies of "homeopathic remedies" were done by non-homeopaths, all three were "orthodox" immunologists and two of them have been Nobel prize winners . . Emil Behring (first Nobel prize for Medicine for diphtheria anti-toxin, which he claimed was homeopathic, like all vaccines) , Jacques Benveniste (renowned French immunologist, head of INSERM) who was crucified by James Randi, Nature Magazine AND George Vithoulkas (!) for essentially doing nothing more than replicating a biochmeical test that to date has been replicated two dozen times; and Luc Montagnier (2008 Nobel prize for AIDS) who discovered some really remarkable things about homeopathy.
The thing that Benveniste did that really blew the lid off the can was he discovered electromagnetic indices for the materials in question, and this was replicated by Montagnier in 2009, where in addition he found evidence that supramolecular structuring in the "remedies" was transducting background radiation into unique signals, verifying Hahnemann's claim that the action is magnetic, i.e. paramagnetic. When Montagnier filtered out the cystalliferous structuring, the remedy stopped "working."
As to the physics of the "homeopathic remedy," a seminal report in 2005 on The Structure of Liquid Water, Novel Insights from the Material Sciences and Potential Relevance to Homeopathy were done by three professors of the material scientists, two of them heads of their departments (Roy and TIller) and a professor of psychiatry known for her physical tests of "homeopathic remedies" (Bell).
Most of the most important physical and in vitro tests of homeopathic remedies have been done by non homeopaths.
The only thing left to determine is how supramolecular transduction works, which is a hell of a lot more than allopaths can do for their patented crap.
There is no chemical reaction in a "homeopathic remedy." The change isn't just in the electron shell, its a change in the nuclei of the H2O molecule. In other words, the action comes from a nuclear reaction, it's radioactive. "Homeopathic remedies" are medically in the class of low energy radiopharmaceuticals.
Now I've given you some things to chew on. Let's see if you can respond by moving just one piece, without knocking all the others off the board to end the game, like the skeptoids do.
Elham, to suggest there is no physical explanation for the dynamic action of supramolecular substances as used homeopathic medicine is nothing more than wishful thinking on your part, because as long as it remains unexplained, you can peddle it as magic instead of as the science of real medicine.
Mark my words, the people who refuse to understand what these materials used as medicine are electrochemically, will get run out of the business.
John Benneth
In a message dated 8/28/2013 10:19:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, elhamohajer@gmail.com writes:
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