Minutus

"The first duty of the true healer is to teach the patient to not worship at the altar of modern medicine." I said that, with a little help for Robert Mendelssohn.

Roger

§ 1
The physician's high and only mission is to restore the sick to health, to cure, as it is termed. 1
1 His mission is not, however, to construct so-called systems, by interweaving empty speculations and hypotheses concerning the internal essential nature of the vital processes and the mode in which diseases originate in the interior of the organism, (whereon so many physicians have hitherto ambitiously wasted their talents and their time); nor is it to attempt to give countless explanations regarding the phenomena in diseases and their proximate cause (which must ever remain concealed), wrapped in unintelligible words and an inflated abstract mode of expression, which should sound very learned in order to astonish the ignorant - whilst sick humanity sighs in vain for aid. Of such learned reveries (to which the name of theoretic medicine is given, and for which special professorships are instituted) we have had quite enough, and it is now high time that all who call themselves physicians should at length cease to deceive suffering mankind with mere talk, and begin now, instead, for once to act, that is, really to help and to cure.
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger B
Sent: 10 August 2013 16:13
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Subject: [Minutus] The first duty . . .
"The first duty of the true healer is to teach the patient to not worship at the altar of modern medicine." I said that, with a little help for Robert Mendelssohn.

Roger

Agreed, but we need to remember that Hahnemann was a Sulphur type.
So while I agree his positive principles, I do not necessarily agree his paranoia about his instructions being followed to the exclusion of all else. That's a sulph thing, not a scientific approach like his principles. He was human too:-)

Some of that "all else" may make sense that he was not in a position to see at the time.

He certainly indulged in constructing so-called systems (such as homeopathy) himself, and also hypotheses aout the vital processes and how diseases originate etc.

Typical Sulph - "Let ME do the inventing - do not do it yourself "
...Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

And the current condition today is that most physicians do not look upon homeopathy as a threat or as an alternative, but as something akin to cold fusion or UFOs. And most patients do not even know that homeopathy exists and do worship at the Altar of Modern Medicine. Until we can get people off of their knees with regard to Modern Medicine, we have no chance of getting them in to seeing a homeopath.

Roger Bird
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 23:34:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] The first duty . . .
Agreed, but we need to remember that Hahnemann was a Sulphur type.
So while I agree his positive principles, I do not necessarily agree his paranoia about his instructions being followed to the exclusion of all else. That's a sulph thing, not a scientific approach like his principles. He was human too:-)

Some of that "all else" may make sense that he was not in a position to see at the time.

He certainly indulged in constructing so-called systems (such as homeopathy) himself, and also hypotheses aout the vital processes and how diseases originate etc.

Typical Sulph - "Let ME do the inventing - do not do it yourself "

...Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

§1: “The physician’s high and only mission is to restore the sick to health, to cure , as it is termed.”

He described what the physician is by explaining the role. We all have some function depending on which our designation is named like that of the mechanic, teacher, father, mother, commissioner, etc. These each and every designation has a function fulfilment of which completes the role of the designation.

I case of the physician, Hahnemann explained the function in simple and uncomplicated manner in one line.

When healthy person becomes diseased, the function of the physician comes into play. The physician uses his knowledge and works every way possible to make that diseased person healthy. This process of curing the sick is physician’s only function and it ends with restoration of health in previously sick person. So he wrote “restoration of sick to health”.

The foot note was peculiar to the time of Hahnemann. At this time the context of the footnote has not changed. Today it is seen with medical professionals who teach only and don’t practice and also to those who has hidden fear of practice so they do some other businesses and instead of the medical practice. And who practice medicine and blame inevitable circumstances for their failure. Though the examples has changed but conditions has not. Many physicians has worked hard to prove their truthfulness to their role in society.
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Sent: 10 August 2013 22:59
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] The first duty . . .
§ 1
The physician's high and only mission is to restore the sick to health, to cure, as it is termed. 1
1 His mission is not, however, to construct so-called systems, by interweaving empty speculations and hypotheses concerning the internal essential nature of the vital processes and the mode in which diseases originate in the interior of the organism, (whereon so many physicians have hitherto ambitiously wasted their talents and their time); nor is it to attempt to give countless explanations regarding the phenomena in diseases and their proximate cause (which must ever remain concealed), wrapped in unintelligible words and an inflated abstract mode of expression, which should sound very learned in order to astonish the ignorant - whilst sick humanity sighs in vain for aid. Of such learned reveries (to which the name of theoretic medicine is given, and for which special professorships are instituted) we have had quite enough, and it is now high time that all who call themselves physicians should at length cease to deceive suffering mankind with mere talk, and begin now, instead, for once to act, that is, really to help and to cure.
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger B
Sent: 10 August 2013 16:13
To: Kefir Grains OffTopicChat; Homeopathy minutus@yahoogroups.com ; Jim Peterson; Katrina Bird; Mitchell's Email address; Nennette Fantauzzo; Nina Ortega; Ron Greenstein
Subject: [Minutus] The first duty . . .
"The first duty of the true healer is to teach the patient to not worship at the altar of modern medicine." I said that, with a little help for Robert Mendelssohn.

Roger

Are you suggesting it is unethical or inappropriate to teach or do research in the healing field, or did I miss your point?

Hahnemann did an awful lot of those:-)

...IIrene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Well, I am a philosopher and my role is to alert society to new and better ideas and things like homeopathy and LENR.

But aren't we all human beings first?

Roger
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From: mynk_roy@yahoo.co.in
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:25:43 +0530
Subject: RE: [Minutus] The first duty . . .
§1: “The physician’s high and only mission is to restore the sick to health, to cure , as it is termed.”

He described what the physician is by explaining the role. We all have some function depending on which our designation is named like that of the mechanic, teacher, father, mother, commissioner, etc. These each and every designation has a function fulfilment of which completes the role of the designation.

I case of the physician, Hahnemann explained the function in simple and uncomplicated manner in one line.

When healthy person becomes diseased, the function of the physician comes into play. The physician uses his knowledge and works every way possible to make that diseased person healthy. This process of curing the sick is physician’s only function and it ends with restoration of health in previously sick person. So he wrote “restoration of sick to health”.

The foot note was peculiar to the time of Hahnemann. At this time the context of the footnote has not changed. Today it is seen with medical professionals who teach only and don’t practice and also to those who has hidden fear of practice so they do some other businesses and instead of the medical practice. And who practice medicine and blame inevitable circumstances for their failure. Though the examples has changed but conditions has not. Many physicians has worked hard to prove their truthfulness to their role in society.
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Sent: 10 August 2013 22:59
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] The first duty . . .
§ 1

The physician's high and only mission is to restore the sick to health, to cure, as it is termed. 1
1 His mission is not, however, to construct so-called systems, by interweaving empty speculations and hypotheses concerning the internal essential nature of the vital processes and the mode in which diseases originate in the interior of the organism, (whereon so many physicians have hitherto ambitiously wasted their talents and their time); nor is it to attempt to give countless explanations regarding the phenomena in diseases and their proximate cause (which must ever remain concealed), wrapped in unintelligible words and an inflated abstract mode of expression, which should sound very learned in order to astonish the ignorant - whilst sick humanity sighs in vain for aid. Of such learned reveries (to which the name of theoretic medicine is given, and for which special professorships are instituted) we have had quite enough, and it is now high time that all who call themselves physicians should at length cease to deceive suffering mankind with mere talk, and begin now, instead, for once to act, that is, really to help and to cure.
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger B
Sent: 10 August 2013 16:13
To: Kefir Grains OffTopicChat; Homeopathy minutus@yahoogroups.com ; Jim Peterson; Katrina Bird; Mitchell's Email address; Nennette Fantauzzo; Nina Ortega; Ron Greenstein
Subject: [Minutus] The first duty . . .
"The first duty of the true healer is to teach the patient to not worship at the altar of modern medicine." I said that, with a little help for Robert Mendelssohn.

Roger

Well My unknown friend Roger,
I respect your feeling of being human. Have you noticed that being human doesn’t mean that you are devoid of all animal instincts and primal nature. You practicality and logic are sound. Yet you should see that knowing about your functionality and ability let you know what you can do. And if you like what you can do then you can let yourself in to the society by showing that you can do something which can be beneficial to the society. Now you must see that initially you were single and in later part you are in collective. The question is why stay in collective?
In reality that’s the only thing came from primates. And we call it being HUMAN. Isn’t it an irony.

Now alertness for the society: Never let a Homoeopath give you more than one medicine, because it becomes an experiment. And please ask if the former symptoms can come back because if he says “Yes, they will and then soon pass away” then only he is a good homoeopath.
It is good that every singular person cares for the collective and be alert to the harms coming to it. But remember stronger and knowledgeable and logical you are as a singular person stronger becomes the society.

My friend at last I would like to give you one base: “Logic offers the serenity which a human with emotion will never understand”

Feel everything the way they are but be less emotional. PROVE EVERYTHING AND HOLD FAST WHICH IS RIGHT…

Defiance can only accepted when it is from the one who had acceptance before.
Your Unknown Friend

Dr. Roy…
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger B
Sent: 12 August 2013 01:50
To: Homeopathy minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] The first duty . . .
Well, I am a philosopher and my role is to alert society to new and better ideas and things like homeopathy and LENR.

But aren't we all human beings first?

Roger
________________________________

To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: mynk_roy@yahoo.co.in
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:25:43 +0530
Subject: RE: [Minutus] The first duty . . .
§1: “The physician’s high and only mission is to restore the sick to health, to cure , as it is termed.”

He described what the physician is by explaining the role. We all have some function depending on which our designation is named like that of the mechanic, teacher, father, mother, commissioner, etc. These each and every designation has a function fulfilment of which completes the role of the designation.

I case of the physician, Hahnemann explained the function in simple and uncomplicated manner in one line.

When healthy person becomes diseased, the function of the physician comes into play. The physician uses his knowledge and works every way possible to make that diseased person healthy. This process of curing the sick is physician’s only function and it ends with restoration of health in previously sick person. So he wrote “restoration of sick to health”.

The foot note was peculiar to the time of Hahnemann. At this time the context of the footnote has not changed. Today it is seen with medical professionals who teach only and don’t practice and also to those who has hidden fear of practice so they do some other businesses and instead of the medical practice. And who practice medicine and blame inevitable circumstances for their failure. Though the examples has changed but conditions has not. Many physicians has worked hard to prove their truthfulness to their role in society.
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of finrod@finrod.co.uk
Sent: 10 August 2013 22:59
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] The first duty . . .
§ 1
The physician's high and only mission is to restore the sick to health, to cure, as it is termed. 1
1 His mission is not, however, to construct so-called systems, by interweaving empty speculations and hypotheses concerning the internal essential nature of the vital processes and the mode in which diseases originate in the interior of the organism, (whereon so many physicians have hitherto ambitiously wasted their talents and their time); nor is it to attempt to give countless explanations regarding the phenomena in diseases and their proximate cause (which must ever remain concealed), wrapped in unintelligible words and an inflated abstract mode of expression, which should sound very learned in order to astonish the ignorant - whilst sick humanity sighs in vain for aid. Of such learned reveries (to which the name of theoretic medicine is given, and for which special professorships are instituted) we have had quite enough, and it is now high time that all who call themselves physicians should at length cease to deceive suffering mankind with mere talk, and begin now, instead, for once to act, that is, really to help and to cure.
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger B
Sent: 10 August 2013 16:13
To: Kefir Grains OffTopicChat; Homeopathy minutus@yahoogroups.com ; Jim Peterson; Katrina Bird; Mitchell's Email address; Nennette Fantauzzo; Nina Ortega; Ron Greenstein
Subject: [Minutus] The first duty . . .
"The first duty of the true healer is to teach the patient to not worship at the altar of modern medicine." I said that, with a little help for Robert Mendelssohn.

Roger

Yes you are right IIrene ... Partly

research. I think I have failed to provide the logical point thoroughly. I
am talking about Practice. Just think: If a person is doing teaching and
research and nothing else then after a few days he would lose the feeling of
need from patient and emotional response compassion. Because the that person
do not have time for this if he is absorbed in only research or teaching.

If that person see one person in need in a day. That patient will make the
doctor aware of his only function in society. For that he has only one
function to perform that is to restore the sick to health, to cure. And for
this only he is doing the research or teaching people the right way of
treating. Every evening a patient will give next day a boosting purpose with
logic and compassion. Because he is taking only one patient a day, it is
imperative that patient must feel relief after treatment through which
physician can cure.

Remember friend "what we do that defines who we are..."

Please let me know if my logic reach you or not???

Dr. Roy...

Glad we agree on that point.
WHy do you assume that?
Have you perhaps never done teaching or research?
I do both.
However I am good at it because it is NOT a one-way street.
That would be lecturing and making mud pies respectively:-)

Teaching (in the health care field) involves knowing what you are teaching, to whom you are teaching it and why, and what effect it will have to heal or cure if you teach it the right way. This is proved for example by Hahnemann's teaching. Look at all the people here benefitting from his teaching, HE s not in practice daily as you suggest is needed (unless he does it "on the OT on the other side"!)
But his teaching is still effective daily and causes cures and healings to happen.

Same goes for research. Hahnemann's research into homeopathy, provings, potency etc - is still helping to result in cures today.

AU contraire, as teaching and/or research can result in MULTIPLE cures and healings per day:-)

Sorry, no.
Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."