Minutus

Hi,

Recently a homeopath friend sent me an urgent email about her daughter's fever (104). I was unhappy with the information that I recieved. My friend is an MD, so it was quite good as an allopathic diagnosis, but of course allopathic symptoms are not so central to a homeopath's response. I thought what is missing? What should we be reporting in such cases if we want a competent response. I thought of the following. Could anyone add to my list?

1. The type of fever. I pulled out Roger Morrisons DeskTop companion therapeutic book. He has a few good categories of fever. She doesn't have that book. If I have computer access whiich she has, I would want Lillenthal's non-copy written book. The trouble with that is (even if I had it) the types of fever are all over the place. I made a digital index, so I would be able to look up those types on a physical book. But it would be so much faster if I had a PDF file. I will write another email about this issue. What else would you want to have if you did not have Morrison's therapeutic handbook?

2. Even without that book, periodicity or time when the fever started is essential. Are there other essentials that you would always look for?,

3. What is the health of the patient like? George Vithoulkas calls it levels of health. You can see the vidoe (also an Mp3 audio there) of his talk on the WHN site. Also see his book. He would ask, how often does she get a high fever, or other actutes? If she has frequent colds, she would be in Group A. Does she have other pathologies that involve organic changes to organ tissues? I am not sure what the difference is between the group A px and the Group B Px in terms of this high fever. I am assuming that Group A would do much better than Group B even though neither group has organic pathology.

More??

Best,
Ellen Madono

Opps. I see I made a mistake. Group A does not have frequent acutes. That differentiates it from Group B. Group B has frequent Acutes and High fevers every year or two. They have less energy than Group A so they are not able to produce acutes. The whole arguement is based on the observation that aggravations and acutes are produced because the mind/body has the energy to react. Being able to read those aggravations is essential to diagnosis and prescription. Timing is really important as well as an evaluation of Level of Health before treatment. Group A and B have only functional pathologies. Group C and D have organic pathologies. Correct me if I am wrong. I have only read the book Levels of Health by George Vithoulkas and seen his video.

Best,
Ellen Madono

the fever isn't the disease, it is a symptom like any other - a symptom doing a job like any other - trying to dissipate a disturbance.

For an acute you aren't treating the fever, so you need all the symptoms, everything about the child at this point in time. Also should be sure getting enough fluids in the meantime, to prevent dehydration.

This is an acute, you treat like any other acute - you don't look at old symptoms, but only what is going on now, and how mood has changed etc.

http://www.wellwithin1.com/fever.htm are my pages to help get over fear of fever
Sheri
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Thanks Sheri

* Above 104°F (40°C) -- high fevers and cause discomfort, but harmless

the only time fever is a problem is if the brain is already damaged and the fever control center isn't working right. But for anyone, young or old, doesn't matter then. That chart isn't mine, just sharing one point of view, even allopathic. And yes, those very harmed, can't mount good strong symptoms, including fever. The return of a good fever, during homeopathic treatment is a good sign of healing. We see this with vaccine injured children - the inability to mount good fevers - and with homeopathic treatment, this changes.
Sheri
PS - and the problem of dehydration with higher fevers is present, if that isn't paid attention to, but that isn't the problem with the fever, its a problem with the result of the fever, only because care not taken to be sure adequate fluid intake

At 05:28 AM 5/20/2013, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases

Next classes start April 18, 19, 25

Hi Ellen

GV levels of health is a fascinating model of health and sickness and helps me tremendously.

FEVERS: keep in mind each group has 3 sub levels and the lower indicates lower level of health.
Group A: not many fevers here as the person is enjoying the highest level of health and any sickness and fevers are quickly dealt with and they recover to an optimum state of health.
Group B: There are more fevers in this group with some lower than 38.5 and some higher. They CAN PRODUCE ACUTE disease + fever.
Group C: high fevers from 38.5 to 40.5 will stop appearing as the person descends into a chronic disease state.
Group D: no high fever, fever generally lower than 38.5 as the organism is unable to be reactive and generate a higher fever.

Best Wishes Domenic

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Ellen Madono wrote:

Hi Ellen

All you mention is good and i would want that but I would also want GV understanding of the level of health before and after the remedy. e.g. It would be good to know if she gave a remedy before the fever, I would assume she did as she is a homeopath/MD? what level of health the person was on before the remedy? How long after the remedy did a fever develop? How many FEVERS AND ACUTE disease they have had the last year?

using GV LOH before giving a remedy is a huge help in understanding reaction and how to proceed. What acute or chronic disease the person has had and is dealing with? A high fever means different things on each group in terms of GV. These are the general guidelines I would look toward for guidance.

Hope it helps

Best Wishes Domenic

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Ellen Madono wrote:

Thanks Sheri.

Dehydration is a good warning.

What would the signs and symptoms of brain damage be? Or maybe more useful for us, who would give us suspicions of brain damage that would affect fevers? I guess I am thinking of susceptibility for brain damage. Of course we are probably worrying about the patient who has been ameliorating with an appropriate homeopathic remedy and despite organic damage suddenly musters the strength to produce a high fever. Those with only functional damage are probably not a big worry.

Best,
Ellen

At 12:29 PM 5/20/2013, you wrote:
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This would not be the typical patient........it would be someone with a brain injury of some sort that affects their fever functions - the hypothalamus
You would know it by other symptoms too - this page has some of those
http://snowdrop-snowdropblog.blogspot.c ... lamus.html
http://www.incrediblehorizons.com/balan ... nction.htm

And vaccines cause injury to the brain and the part called the limbic system including hypothalamus. But I have never seen this in a vaccine injured chid - that they have abnormally high fevers that are out of control. I more see them not able to produce fever because too sick on a deeper chronic level

Sheri

Hi Domenic,
Yes I went crazy when I read Levels of Health for the first time. He has an internet course and I am seriously considering taking it. I think that the thinking is more complex than what I could get out of the book.
Blessings,
Ellen