Minutus

Tamarque,
You're blinded by emotion and are projecting a lot of anger on to the group. You meed to be more objective.
I'm just wondering why homeooathy would work to turn someone from gay to straight. It fascinates me. I wondeer what else it can do....
Angie

From: tamarque
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] homosexuality and miasms

Sheri—on this one you and I will disagree. Bigotry is bigotry no matter
what you coat it with. By your thinking perhaps allopathy is right after all
they claim to be scientific with their calm attitude.
vtyekkir’s comment is the height of prejudice. In my book if it walks like a
duck and quacks like a duck, it will deemed a duck
t
From: Sheri Nakken
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 5:10 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] homosexuality and miasms
the thing is none of us know anything for sure and it should be a safe=place, here, to test ideas.
Sheri

At 01:17 PM 5/6/2013, you wrote:
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Actually I do not think was the intent to influence sexuality but inadvertently happened in some cases while treating the main complaint.
We all have friends and acquaintances whom we accept, Jean

I tend to agree.
There are two separate subjects:
* One is whether homosexulity is a fact of life - which it is - and thus all people with such sexual orientation are part of society and (hopefully) accepted as such.

* The other is a scientific explanation of how homosexuality develops.
For a long time geneticists have tried in vain to find any major DNA (the kind of DNA on a major chromosome) - to explain homosexuality - and yet after decoding the entire human genome - ALL the DNA it contains - no such chromosomal gene was found to date.
However..... in about 2002, we discovered that the DNA is only about 1 to 1.5% of the genetic material.

What was formerly considered "junk genes" is actually the main volume of genetic material though it is not DNA. DNA is fixed for life. The rest - called epigenetic materia - is NOT fixed, and can be changed - but it IS inherited.

What the epigenetic layer has, is a lot of control mechanisms that tell various genes what to do and what not to do. This is perhaps rather embarrassing to geneticists as now they have at least 98.5% of the genetics they want to know about in humans, all still UNKNOWN. They are in a GREAT hurry to try to determine more about it, but it will take time to know it all.

Homosexuality is indeed on the list being studied to see if epigenetic markers affect sexual orientation.
SO far it looks like they do. (W. R. Rice et al., “Homosexuality as a consequence of epigenetically canalized sexual development,” The Quarterly Review of Biology, 87:343-368, 2012.)
Finding out how it works is not automatically a judgement against someone for their genetic implementation!
However we DO know that homeopathy can change epigenetic implementation, so it should come as no surprise if it changes someone's sexual orientation.
If anyone is being prejudicial then, it is prejudice against someone changing in their sexual orientation.
It should be nobody else's business! We do not tell others whether or nor to change any other orientation - such as health preference or religious preference etc.

Epigentics is the study of the effects of this EPI (Epi means above... as it is above the DNA genes) control system layer. Epigenetics involves histone proteins which act like spools around which DNA is wrapped, to allow a gene to either be available for use (if loosely wrapped) or unavailable for use (if tightly wrapped) , plus also various markers which tell other proteins like methyl groups, where to pile up and make a blockage to block a gene action - or markers to attract acetyl groups to UNdo markers and make a gene available.

SO if/when the way homosexuality occurs, is proved, that's the science of it.
Judgements against people do NOT have to follow nor should they be there to start with.
We are not prejudiced against people for other genetic implementations as a result of epigentic gene control systems - why for this one?

For example - in my work I have a lot to do with domestic cats. They have 100% the same DNA as the African Wildcat from which they are proved to have descended. BUT - they have different epigenetic markers, which adjust the *implementation* (from how they look to how they act), to show domesticated behavior/features. Are we going to be prejudiced against domestic cats because only epigenetic markers make their genetic implementation that of "domesticated/tame"?
I think not.

Nor do I use homeopathy to try to revert a domestic cat to wild type:-)
The KNOWLEDGE of how the difference occurs - is separate from how we do or do not use that knowledge, or whether we like the results.

Same with how homosexuality occurs.
The prejudiced views people invent and espouse, are separate from the knowledge of the mechanism.
It changes epigene switches to do with androgen signalling.
Me too.
Probably any other epigenetic switch adjustment, at least.
But it may do more than adjust epigenes. I'm not sure if epigene adjustment explains full size regenerated ears I saw in a cat with its ears kicked off...or maybe it does ?? Maybe it can switch on stemcell generation for new tissue? THAT works by epigene markers

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

However we DO know that homeopathy can change epigenetic implementation, so it
should come as no surprise if it changes someone's sexual orientation.
straight.

It changes epigene switches to do with androgen signalling.

Can you provide some studies, published research, etc. on this?
Nor do I use homeopathy to try to revert a domestic cat to wild type:-)

Tell us how you would do that, if you could.
If you can, take a cat, make it wild and make a video of the process as proof.
Then, revert the cat back, ALL through homeopathy.
Otherwise, keep dreaming.
Susan

Susan,

I did give a reference in my first email. Here it is again:
W. R. Rice et al., “Homosexuality as a consequence of epigenetically canalized sexual development,” The Quarterly Review of Biology, 87:343-368, 2012.
It is not I who is dreaming. Epigentics is real, it's no theory.
It is how inheritance works and how DNA is controlled by external influences.
I'm sorry if you don't like how genetics works - or how homeopathy works.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

You know Angie, it sounds like you are trying to side step the issue
by making me the problem. That is called avoidance of the issue at best,
and a perhaps a reflection of your own discomfort in handling the issue
of homosexuality. For me, it is a betrayal of homeopathy with its principle
of remaining open minded and non-judgemental when people dump their
bigotry onto patients/clients.
Making this even more reprehensible to me is the fact that when someone
comes to you for help there is a built-in power relationship and the client is
the subordinate. It is pure lack of ethics for a practitioner to project their
emotional hang ups onto a person just because they can. There is no
excuse for this in my book. I am sorry to say that homeopathy is not fulfulled
by such unethical and judgemental behavior.
And people wonder why clients aren’t fully open with them. I don’t blame them.
t
From: Angela McGuire
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:38 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] [2] homosexuality and miasms

Tamarque,
You're blinded by emotion and are projecting a lot of anger on to the group. You meed to be more objective.
I'm just wondering why homeooathy would work to turn someone from gay to straight. It fascinates me. I wondeer what else it can do....
Angie

From: tamarque
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] homosexuality and miasms

Sheri—on this one you and I will disagree. Bigotry is bigotry no matter
what you coat it with. By your thinking perhaps allopathy is right after all
they claim to be scientific with their calm attitude.
vtyekkir’s comment is the height of prejudice. In my book if it walks like a
duck and quacks like a duck, it will deemed a duck
t
From: Sheri Nakken
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 5:10 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] homosexuality and miasms
the thing is none of us know anything for sure and it should be a safe place, here, to test ideas.
Sheri

At 01:17 PM 5/6/2013, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases

Next classes start April 18, 19, 25

I agree with you Tamara. Most people making such assertions have no experience with normal gayness. They are reflecting what is considered normal in the society where they live. A society that allows for everyone to be who they feel most comfortable being is not very common. So please don't jump on the whole homeopathy community. We are all individula and we are not setting communal policy. If a remedy makes you feel more comfortable with yourself, that make sense to me. But how you define your comfort zone should vary with the individual.

Best,
Ellen Madono

Jean,
The post to minutus was very clear about finding a generic remedy to treat homosexuality.
Some practitioner may have had a patient who whose sexual orientation changed, but that
says nothing about gayness as a disease to be treated. In the US, after many painful years,
the psychiatric association finally removed sexual orientation as a disease. It was the professions
disease that needed curing and gay people were the ones that pointed the way!
t
From: Jean Doherty
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:43 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] [2] homosexuality and miasms

Actually I do not think was the intent to influence sexuality but inadvertently happened in some cases while treating the main complaint.
We all have friends and acquaintances whom we accept, Jean

Homosexuality and Bi-sexuality have been around probably since the beginning
of humans.
Other species have the same behavior. Many cultures respected gayness as a
special state
of being. These people were often the shamen--spiritual and medical healers
of the community.

I believe that it was only with the advent of patriarchy and monotheism
which is male dominated
that homeosexuallity began to be viewed negatively. For that matter some of
the early Catholic
popes were gay. Negative judgement came into that church with a pope who
had his own hostile
issues.

So as for genetics, it is an academic interest only. Such academics have
always been manipulated
and used by people. All science is ultimately controlled by humans with
their subjective emotions
and prejudices. In a society that was created out of prejudices, all that
is called science cannot
be understood without understanding the people who are doing it.

t

I agree in most part Jean. As we all know, often things in our lives that were not part of the main complaint change dramatically with proper homeopathic treatment. And as both practitioners and patients it's important to be open minded that many parts of ourselves (religion, attitudes, beliefs, range of awareness, feelings, thinking, sexual orientation, you name it) can be a part of pathology/imbalance/not in harmony, whether conscious of it or not, or whether in agreement with it or not beforehand. That is not a judgement, just as we don't judge any characteristics in the scope of each unique case. Defensiveness usually indicates a lot of energy on an area. Simply, whatever is out of balance will change with the right remedy/succession of remedies.
Also other modalities can address the roots of issues that are not reached with homeopathy alone.
When continually & effectively working on oneself, not just to a certain degree that fits in a comfort zone, any and all aspects (at least to a degree) are up for transformation.
Liz

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