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I came across this below and it stimulated my thought on the far reaching effect of infectious disease in areas where I am not expecting it. This is of course the basis of Hahnemann's miasms theory.

Ellen Madono
Infections
Many microbes have been proposed as potential infectious triggers of MS, but none have been substantiated.[4] Moving at an early age from one location in the world to another alters a person's subsequent risk of MS.[5] An explanation for this could be that some kind of infection, produced by a widespread microbe rather than a rare pathogen, is the origin of the disease.[5] There are a number of proposed mechanisms, including the hygiene hypothesis and the prevalence hypothesis. The hygiene hypothesis proposes that exposure to several infectious agents early in life is protective against MS, the disease being a response to a later encounter with such agents.[1] The prevalence hypothesis proposes that the disease is due to a pathogen more common in regions of high MS prevalence where in most individuals it causes an asymptomatic persistent infection. Only in a few cases and after many years does it cause demyelination.[5] [22] The hygiene hypothesis has received more support than the prevalence hypothesis.[5]
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Miasm means "bad air" which implies a potential infection but I do not think miasms have to do with bad air/infection - but rather to do with any and all things that change epigenes. That's a lot of tigs,k and infecton can be one of them - but we already know that nutrition, weather, starvation, excess eating, and other stresses to the system, also produce miasms.

My work in immune compromise disease in cats, has shown me that the key to all miasms and chronic disease, involves the very complex immune system we have - at least in mammals - I do not know about plants etc.
In mammals, the epigenes that trigger disease, can be switched to non-pathogenic positions by proper homeopathic treatment - and pretty much by little else in severe illnesses where the immune system is malfunctioning for whatever reason.

Multiple Sclerosis is also the result of a malfunctioning immune system. Sadly research to understand the immune system's complexities is in its infancy even in this century.
For example we know we can divide immune compromise illness into Th-1 skewed diseases (like MS and others) and Th-2 skewed diseases (like cancer and others).
But HOW the immune system malfunctions in detail is VERy complex. And yet to be unravelled.
So far for MS and other Th1 or Th2 skewed diseases, we know that dendritic cells (very little is known about them yet) are involved and that these determine whether too much Th1 or too muchTh2 cytokine expression occurs with consequent overexpression of Th1 cells or Th2 cells (a type of white cell with many jobs to do for the immune system). Th1 and Th2 have different jobs and too much of either one, meanas also too little of the other one and all hell can break loose.

More than a dozen specific factors have been identified that influence dentritic cells to produce more of one or other type. But we do not yet know much about it yet.
For MS, some odd things occur: It is a latitude-related illness and occurs in highest percentages of people in high latitudes where there are long winter days. In fact here where I live in Spokane, of the cities of significant size in USA, this one is the farthest north (48 North latitude) of all cities in the contiguous USA. The MS rate here is the highest per capita in the world, and consequently the national MS research organization is stationed here. At least a dozen people I know here, have MS. When I lived in Cape Town (latitude 32 South) I never heard of MS outside of a textbook. Other cities of this latitude in North and South hemispheres, also have high MS rates. People who move here when YOUNG will acquire the high MS rate of the area. People who move here AFTER puberty, will retain the MS rate of the place they grew up. (Weird?)
SO that means it is not directly related to sunshine and Vit D though somehow that may be involved. It does suggest that some things are set when we reach puberty, as regards immune system function. Why/How??? Vaccines? Inherited miasm/epigenes?
Hard to say.

Wait...When we get a vaccination, we get Th-2 skewed immune systems, (hence weakening Th1 response) but when we get a natural disease the immune system is strengthened both in Th1 and Th2 characteristics.
For MS you need an OVERstrong Th1 response.
So maybe we need to look at what things skew the Th1 into overexpression. (MOST modern diseases are TH-2 skewed, mainly thanks to the majority of vaccines with Th-2 skewing adjuvants).
There are some vaccines made with Th-1 skewing adjuvants. This would damage the system to Th-1 excess.
There will be chemicals tat also do so - just as there are T-2 skewing chemicals.
I suspect the answer will be in modern man's chemical mess-ups rather than form an infectious organism (though an infectious organism can also potentially skew th-1 or th2 responses).

WE do need to look at what skews immune system responses though - rather than at what any particular infection does. There will be a LIST of things that can cause Th-1 skewing or Th-2 skewing. We KNOW some of the Th-2 skewing things - we are not far in Th1 skewing research.

SO an infectious organism MIGHT make it onto the LIST of potential Th1 skewing options.
Then you need to add in the ICT (innate constitutional type with its strengths and weaknesses) to know WHICH Th-1 skewed disease will occur in that individual...and perhaps PRE-puberty geography as well as a factor.
Does not fit. Especially when put with the before/after puberty facts.
I beg to differ. It DOES cause demyelination as the mechanism of MS disease.
And if you doubt the numbers and the suffering caused, come visit Spokane

Namaste,
Irene

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Dear Irene,

You read the Chronic Diseases differently than I do. Yes he talks about vapors etc, but most of the book is about contagious disease symptoms. They medical science of Hahnemann's day. Hahnemann did not know as much as you know about the immune system, but the idea of a miasms implies that something happens to the organism before the immune system goes nuts. Hyper or hypo is not the point.

The Northern location of MS is very interesting and well known apparently. Puberty is again interesting as the milestone.

I don't think that single causal explanations of something like MS is going to be fruitful. But the miasm idea is that there is a symptom pattern to a miasm the mimics the symptom pattern of contagious diseases. Hypo and hyper immune reactions are among the reactions. As in any pattern argument, you will need a variety of symptoms. Physical symptoms are emphasized but mental symptoms are present too.

Best,
Ellen Madonno
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I did not think we were discussing the Chronic Diseases, but rather whether infectious disease has an effect on causing MS - in 2013.
So we may be at cross purposes here:-)
Well it does, that is true - but there can be many things that "happen" to skew the immune system.
Not just infectious diseases.
???
AFTER something causes a skewed immune system, in one or other direction THEN disease can follow.
Also high south latitude areas, yes.
No, nor for any immune compromise illness.
Anything that can skew the immune system, whether organism, drug, toxin, environment etc - can be relevant.
In 2013 I do not agree that every miasm has symptoms as for a contagious illness.
Cancer miasm for example does not.
Hahnemann was concerned with miasms that did relate to contagion - syphilis for example - but we know more now. I can not think only in 1834 terms, it is not 1834 any more. We need to deal with 2013 type diseases and miasms.
I did not use hypo and hyper terms as they do not really apply to the immune system. You can't have too much or too little immune system, that's not how it works.
The immune system is a set of dozens of chemicals which all have individual functions and need to be in *balance*.
Each illness has specific chemicals that are more or less than usual or more or less in relation to specific other chemicals. The total activity is likely quite similar at any given time to any other time - but it is divided up differently for each illness. It's like a set of pegs in a toy workbench that are connected so that if you push one down another is pushed up to compensate. Each illness has a specific pattern of what's up or down or middle in position among the few dozen components.
I agree that all illness has symptoms including mind ones but I'm not sure where that fits into the context of whether something infectious is involved in triggering MS. Maybe I misread what you wished to discuss.

Namaste,
Irene
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> You read the Chronic Diseases differently than I do.
I did not think we were discussing the Chronic Diseases, but rather whether infectious disease has an effect on causing MS - in 2013.
So we may be at cross purposes here:-)
Yeah, I have a one track mind. Sorry.
This is the point. Irene said: We need to deal with 2013 type diseases and miasms.
MS is not a contagious disease. Or we don't usually think of it as one. Same goes for cancer. In my mind, they are like diseases that are more encompassing than a specific set of disease symptoms caused by a specific pathogen. Cancer or MS are not contagious (for the most part) so you can't use them as miasmatic diseases, to my way of thinking. Or course there are those who do not believe that the infectious disease is the defintion of miasm and I don't agree.
How the immune system reacts to a wide variety of stresses is again not a contagious disease although we have names for diseases of the immune system. But, they are like cancer or MS. Syndroms that are less specific than a contagious disease. There are many clearly understood contagious diseases. These are good candidates to be understood as miasms.
Best,
Ellen
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Not knowing much about MS except for seeing former talk show host Montel Williams on TV infomercials for various health products that have helped his MS, this article gives lots of info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_sclerosis
I have a 2nd cousin with MS and even before I knew he had it, could tell there was something not quite right on occasion with his thinking, demeanor, affect. Also in middle age, has developed type 2 diabetes but not overweight. His father, not my blood relative, died from Alzheimers and mother had various neurological issues, once diagnosed with epilepsy, carpal tunnel, a very rare red/white blood cell cancer that alternated into remission with a non-cancerous brain tumor that was gamma knife removed, then a fatally cancerous brain tumor which was diagnosed and led to death in a month. Has 3 siblings, 2 already developed type 2 diabetes, one recently carpal tunnel, only female sibling that now has same disease as mother, all in late 40s early 50s, and the youngest sibling early 40s may be showing type 2 diabetes signs.
MS certainly could be part of this family's strong miasmatic picture and all could use constitutional and nosode remedies but will never take them.
MS was historically indentified back in 1868 so can hardly be considered a disease solely of today.
So many possible genetic, environmental, etc. causes possibly intermingled.
Lack of Vitamin D in northern regions might explain increase rates in those areas
Not considered hereditary but various gene studies done.
Interesting current trial using hookworms is being done.
Some historical cases going back to year 1200
There are several historical accounts of people who lived before or shortly after the disease was described by Charcot and probably had MS.
A young woman called Halldora who lived in Iceland around 1200 suddenly lost her vision and mobility but, after praying to the saints, recovered them seven days after. Saint Lidwina of Schiedam (1380–1433), a Dutch nun , may be one of the first clearly identifiable MS patients. From the age of 16 until her death at 53, she suffered intermittent pain, weakness of the legs, and vision loss—symptoms typical of MS.[88] Both cases have led to the proposal of a 'Viking gene' hypothesis for the dissemination of the disease.[89]
Augustus Frederick d'Este (1794–1848), son of Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex and Lady Augusta Murray and the grandson of George III of the United Kingdom , almost certainly suffered from MS. D'Este left a detailed diary describing his 22 years living with the disease. His diary began in 1822 and ended in 1846, although it remained unknown until 1948. His symptoms began at age 28 with a sudden transient visual loss (amaurosis fugax ) after the funeral of a friend. During the course of his disease, he developed weakness of the legs, clumsiness of the hands, numbness, dizziness, bladder disturbances, and erectile dysfunction . In 1844, he began to use a wheelchair. Despite his illness, he kept an optimistic view of life.[90] [91]
Another early account of MS was kept by the British diarist W. N. P. Barbellion , nom-de-plume of Bruce Frederick Cummings (1889–1919), who maintained a detailed log of his diagnosis and struggle with MS.[91] His diary was published in 1919 as The Journal of a Disappointed Man .[92]
Susan

Dr. Weston A. Price DDS became famous for his anthropological research and authored one of the best medical books written in the last century. He traveled the globe and tested various populations in primitive areas who were extremely healthy and did not suffer from the common disease that plague us all in the Millennium.

He tells the story of a teenager who died of a heart attack shortly after receiving a root canal. Suspecting an infection, he crushed the extracted tooth from the kid's body and grew a culture which he injected into a group of rabbits, all of whom quickly died. His conclusion was that the tooth infection released toxins that poisoned the body and damaged the nervous system. That led him to discover a link between dental infections and damage to the central nervous system. It stood to reason that the trigeminal nerve could carry the infection to the spine and destroy the protective sheath thus inducing paralysis which results in the condition labeled MS.

Dr. Price began to systematically remove root canals from paraplegic patients, many of whom were restored to normal nerve function and would heal from the disease. The discovery was unfortunately too late for his teenage patient who was his son.

Today the Weston A. Price Foundation carries on his remarkable work.
Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen

More synchroncity as I have one tooth already prepped for and awaiting a root canal, with a temporary filling since last May and the tooth next to it, I've been told also needs a root canal but has not yet been prepped for it. Prepped for it means uncovering the cap to the tooth nerve thus forcing one to have to have a root canal.
The only alternative treatment I can find is complete tooth extraction but don't want to then wear a bridge, etc. I know today the endodontist implants a zinc capsule to supposedly avoid infection. Not sure back in Weston Price's son's day if they did that.
I actually was going to make the first root canal appointment today but keep procrastinating.
Dentist keeps saying by waiting I'm one day going to wake up in severe pain from the infected root canal tooth then will need emergency root canal and tooth extraction.
Seems like the vaccine issue, millions do it, only small % get severely ill or die from it.
Susan

Forget the root canal. Look into rinsing with sesame coconut and or olive oil twice a day for 20 mins. Google it. I believe it came from Indian medicine which begins with an A but I can't spell it or say it. Lol
Jmo but root canals are just the dentists guaranty you will be a repeat customer in a couple years when you need the extraction and implant or bridge. And I don't know of any bridge that doesn't have metals.
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More synchroncity as I have one tooth already prepped for and awaiting a root canal, with a temporary filling since last May and the tooth next to it, I've been told also needs a root canal but has not yet been prepped for it. Prepped for it means uncovering the cap to the tooth nerve thus forcing one to have to have a root canal.
The only alternative treatment I can find is complete tooth extraction but don't want to then wear a bridge, etc. I know today the endodontist implants a zinc capsule to supposedly avoid infection. Not sure back in Weston Price's son's day if they did that.
I actually was going to make the first root canal appointment today but keep procrastinating.
Dentist keeps saying by waiting I'm one day going to wake up in severe pain from the infected root canal tooth then will need emergency root canal and tooth extraction.
Seems like the vaccine issue, millions do it, only small % get severely ill or die from it.
Susan