Minutus

Domenic,
I absolutely agree with you!

This was what I meant originally when I said the homeopathic community has got to decide how we will address this and other situations and we must unite.

My school (the British Institute) teaches an entry level Hahnemannian Homeopathy. I have always felt a good foundation will allow someone to go out and practice they way 'they' feel they can do the best job. Yes, some of our students have chosen combos but I believe most of our students stick to 'one' remedy and much more 'classical'/'clinical' homeopathy.

And, I know someone said the two shall not meet, but I am not sure I agree with that.

Hahnemann was a clinician first, I we look at the center of the disease state and aim for that we can vary with more or less of the mental influence depending on the case.

With more 'physical' cases I tend to go low and much more slowly, and for more mental centered cases I tend to go higher - but I do treat on variations of that depending on the patient and their sensitivities.

We are homeopaths - let's start by agreeing we treat "Similar to the Pathology"!
Now we can move from there?

Can we next agree on the Organon? Certainly as a good foundation for study?

Maria
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From: "domenicstanghini"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:54:58 AM
Subject: [Minutus] Re: Homeopaths become as one (was UK - MEASLES HITS THE HEADLINES AGAIN)
FWIW....We are not going to agree on this topic and thats the problem...there is no unified front....so the Homeopathic "unified" disease lingers on EACH Homeopathic practitioner as they are still stuck in a Collective unconsious miasm.

And I am NOT picking on any religion for good or bad.....If one goes to wikipedia and searchs Hinduism or Buddhism we find that their are many different ways to practice religion and they all live together with one another beside one another supporting the others path as unique. their apparent differences are tolerated as each one has a natural inclination to practice "enlightenment" based on their natural proclivity. there is no condemnation of their unique path. Add to this the many different ways to practice Christianity and there are many, many ways. Add to this the many different ways to practice Yoga, Martial Arts, Meditation etc. etc. etc. All of them have one thing in common. They (as Dr. Joe says) check their ego at the door. the ego fractures and divides and separates. Oneness embraces all. Homeopaths as humans need to learn the lessons that others have learned, like those mentioned above, the chiropractors etc.....to have a unified front. However, under the Homeopathic umbrellas there are many purist differences.

So we want to treat unique individuals using unique medicines and yet we want to DENY others that have somehow found a unique way to use homeopathic medicines in a unique way (muscle testing, multiple remedies, drainage, combos, doc of signatures etc etc)??? Coming together is the answer not separating, denying, fragmenting.

Best Wishes to all Domenic

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com , Shannon Nelson wrote:

Hi Maria - I don't agree - how on earth can we address things as a whole when we aren't whole.
Very few use 5th and 6th edition of the organon dosing as Hahnemann taught - VERY FEW (I know people are sick of hearing me talk about this) How can we come together when we aren't on the same pages. Hahnemannian Homeopathy is not only entry level intro - it is vital to be taught in depth when starting to treat for acutes early on and then certainly when teaching chronic case management. But it is not (except at BIH, you have said.). But where are those practitioners? Who are those practitioners? Believe you me, I have searched high and low. Lynn has come forward and said she practices with water potencies 5th and 6th edition. You have said you do. Who else here?

How many homeopaths do you know who have even read the organon - Steve Waldstein, I think it was, said he read it yearly.
If they had read it, they wouldn't still be only using dry potenices as Kent did.

And NO, many don't treat with similars at all. Domenic is a CEASE practitioner.

The only way we can come together is uniting with other HEALTH FREEDOM CHOICE practitioners and consumers, in my opinion, around that issue.
Sheri

At 06:42 AM 4/18/2013, you wrote:
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Sheri, please tell me you aren't saying that you don't consider 4th and 5th ed methodology homeopathy at all?
Please tell me you're not going to go that far off the deep end…

Shannon
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I did say 5th and 6th edition...............and why would letting go of something old and outdated according to Hahnemann (and my experience) be going off the deep end. You and I have had this talk before, ad nauseam. Yes, dry, 4th edition works sometimes............but I haven't seen anything better than water potencies, so why go backwards. Why people who call themselves homeopaths want to stay stuck in 4th edition is beyond me.

We cannot come together as homeopaths

Let's come together as Health Practitioners for health freedom - everyone has the right to choose what they want for their own bodies and health - that is the only umbrella that will work to bring us together.

I will say, though, if I want a plumber to come to my house to fix my sink after it was clogged, I don't want to see him muscle test to decide how to fix it; or to give a bunch more bananas because that is what he thought plugged it to begin with (like CEASE and Sequential & Isopathy); or put tons more food down the drain, all mixed together (like combos). I want him to get at the root of it and fix it (but I guess that might be more like surgery or chelation - the analogy breaks down )

Sheri
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http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases
Next classes start April 9, 14, & 15

I believe there are a lot of ways to practice homeopathy. However, yes I am a 6th edition practitioner, one remedy unless the body needs support (tissue salts) or even Bach Flower remedies to help with some of the rougher times. I also sometimes think people need intercurrents at times when things come up that may need a specific remedy outside of the one main remedy.

That said, once we teach students how Hahnemann set up this discipline, once they are taught how to do it the 'Hahnemannian Way' they need to practice the way they get the best results.

Bruce Shelton cleans out the 'basement membrane', he calls this Homotoxicology, and who am I to say he is 'wrong' in this day and age of major suppressions, un-natural lifestyles, poor food that has been genetically engineered, over vaccination and chemicals everwhere?

Other homeopaths deal with specific issues, such as in India, a patient comes in wanting his leg fixed or knee or has some disease or another and that is all he wants addressed - are we to say..."Oh how is your mind working? Tell me about it? if the patients want one single thing fixed that is their business and not my call.

My job is to train well qualified people who want to practice, we follow the Standards and Competencies (European, ACHENA, etc = 500 hours of homeopathic education and 500 hours of clinical training, A & P and Pathology) After that, after we have done our job, the ball is in the student's court.....

Who should know better how to work with the patients a homeopath tends to see?

Warmly, Marai
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From: "Shannon Nelson"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:13:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Homeopaths become as one
Sheri, please tell me you aren't saying that you don't consider 4th and 5th ed methodology homeopathy at all?

Please tell me you're not going to go that far off the deep end…

Shannon
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Sherri
Just because I have "CEASE practitioner" in my tool box does NOT mean I do not use similars. You still do not understand the CEASE protocol, or you would have not have said that, and I am not going to explain it to you. You can state your point without including me in it, so please do that. Case closed! Domenic

that's like saying I'm married, except when I am single
you are always saying 'case closed"
Sheri

At 12:45 PM 4/18/2013, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases
Next classes start April 9, 14, & 15

Which is better was not the point I was checking on; it was your implication that you aren't even considering 4th ed method to be homeopathy, and I find that a bit shocking, really.

Also a bit arbitrary, but never mind, I was just checking.

Coming together as Health Practitioners sounds just fine to me.

Cheers!
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Yes.
That is ALL we need to agree.
No.
Hahnemann updated it 6 times. So it is not a fixed entity, and WE also can add updates.
How we use it and that we study it is internal to the profession and who uses it how.
It's not part of the definition of homeopathy.
For the outside world - We should not clutter it up with details that are variable.

"Similar to pathology"...ie patient symptoms similar to remedy symptoms IS fixed, unchanging, set in stone as a principle of nature - THAT should be our only definition of homeopathy to the outside world. All else is individual preference of *how* to practice it. WHAT is is - needs only the similar to pathology aspect.

Anything NOT similar to pathology, good or bad - and there's lots of both - is something else - combology or mixopathy or part of naturopathy which seems to be a catch-all or something - but as it fails to invoke the natural law of similars - it's not homeopathy.

Namaste,
Irene
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I and all my students at my school (IVYHOM) do, as you've been told in emails before on several occasions - but it is totally irrelevant to having a broad definition of WHAT constitutes homeopathy - as you are talking of HOW we use homeopathy.

WHAT homeopathy IS - has a simple definition which can unify us - it is the matching of symptoms of patient and remedy to invoke the Law of Similars.

Namaste,
Irene

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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."