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Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:35 am
by K. Jayaraman
Is there any homeo medicine substitutes for Allopathic Medicines to monitor Type-II Diabetic patients ?

Age-47/Male, taking medicine 1 & 2 for the last 10 years, 3 & 4 for the last 4 years. HbA1C- 6.5
My Present medication is
1. Glimepiride 1mg & Metformin
Hydrochloride 500 mg (Gluformin-G) 1 - 0 - 0 (before 30 mins to b/f)
2. Supradyn (after b/f) 1 - 0 - 0 (after b/f-Multivitamin)
3. Atorvastatin 10mg (Avas-10) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner-anti cholesterol)
4. Ramipril 5 mg (Cardace) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner)

Jayaraman. K

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:29 pm
by Rochelle
Best thing he can do is go on a strict low carb/ low GI diet + exercise. His blood sugar will quickly go to normal levels and he will not need allopathic medication. I have kept mine at bay for 6 years doing this!!! It is as if the diabetes (inherited) has reversed itself except it creeps up if I am away from home and don’t do my normal amount of exercise or if I am ill with a flu or a cold when it will go up and there is nothing I can do about it until the infection has gone!!
Rochelle Marsden MSc, RSHom, MNWCH, AAMET

Registered with the Society of Homeopaths

EFT(Advanced) Practitioner

www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

https://www.facebook.com/southporthomeopathicpractice
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of K. Jayaraman
Sent: 11 February 2013 16:26
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Diabetic Medicines for Type-II
Is there any homeo medicine substitutes for Allopathic Medicines to monitor Type-II Diabetic patients ?

Age-47/Male, taking medicine 1 & 2 for the last 10 years, 3 & 4 for the last 4 years. HbA1C- 6.5
My Present medication is
1. Glimepiride 1mg & Metformin
Hydrochloride 500 mg (Gluformin-G) 1 - 0 - 0 (before 30 mins to b/f)
2. Supradyn (after b/f) 1 - 0 - 0 (after b/f-Multivitamin)
3. Atorvastatin 10mg (Avas-10) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner-anti cholesterol)
4. Ramipril 5 mg (Cardace) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner)

Jayaraman. K

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:52 pm
by Tanya Marquette
First, this is not how homeopathy works. There is no trade off with a toxic drug.
Second, if interested in homeopathy, then have your case professionally taken to
deal with some of the root causes of your condition
Third, and maybe most important, is your diet which caused, or was a major cause
of your Type II diabetes. Many people reverse their Type II Diabetes with changing
to a heavily plant based diet, cutting out grains, sugars, preservatives, artificial
sugars and any other poor grade food. Organic foods are best.
There is much written about reversing your disease using diet. Mercola.com has a
very large collection of articles on his site that you might want to read. He is not
the only medical person who writes on this.
t
From: K. Jayaraman
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 11:26 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Is there any homeo medicine substitutes for Allopathic Medicines to monitor Type-II Diabetic patients ?

Age-47/Male, taking medicine 1 & 2 for the last 10 years, 3 & 4 for the last 4 years. HbA1C- 6.5
My Present medication is
1. Glimepiride 1mg & Metformin
Hydrochloride 500 mg (Gluformin-G) 1 - 0 - 0 (before 30 mins to b/f)
2. Supradyn (after b/f) 1 - 0 - 0 (after b/f-Multivitamin)
3. Atorvastatin 10mg (Avas-10) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner-anti cholesterol)
4. Ramipril 5 mg (Cardace) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner)

Jayaraman. K

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:05 pm
by Maria Bohle
monitor? I don't understand what you mean by that.

You cannot take someone off their medicines, at least not in the USA and many other countries. Blood sugar has to be carefully monitored.

That said the Drs Banerji's have a diabetes homeopathic protocal they say works with both kinds of diabetes. I have not tried it myself.

Maria (will look it up for you today.)
Is there any homeo medicine substitutes for Allopathic Medicines to monitor Type-II Diabetic patients ?

Age-47/Male, taking medicine 1 & 2 for the last 10 years, 3 & 4 for the last 4 years. HbA1C- 6.5
My Present medication is
1. Glimepiride 1mg & Metformin
Hydrochloride 500 mg (Gluformin-G) 1 - 0 - 0 (before 30 mins to b/f)
2. Supradyn (after b/f) 1 - 0 - 0 (after b/f-Multivitamin)
3. Atorvastatin 10mg (Avas-10) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner-anti cholesterol)
4. Ramipril 5 mg (Cardace) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner)

Jayaraman. K

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:20 pm
by Tanya Marquette
As an ‘alternative’ practitioner in the US one has to be careful about telling someone to stop their drugs.
But that is not what has been said.
What is being said is that Type II Diabetes is caused and controlled by diet. Rotten diets result in diabetes
in more and more people and at younger ages. it is epidemic in the US and is spreading world wide as the US
exports its nutritionless food and chemical agriculture. And along with increasing diabetes, there is increasing
obesity. In the US you can see peoples from cultures where people have small body types suddenly begin to
get fatter and develop the American poor health by the 2nd generation.
And I am sure epigenetics has a play in here, too. This is something I wish homeopaths would address more
in discussions.
t
From: Maria Bohle
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:05 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

monitor? I don't understand what you mean by that.
You cannot take someone off their medicines, at least not in the USA and many other countries. Blood sugar has to be carefully monitored.
That said the Drs Banerji's have a diabetes homeopathic protocal they say works with both kinds of diabetes. I have not tried it myself.
Maria (will look it up for you today.)
Is there any homeo medicine substitutes for Allopathic Medicines to monitor Type-II Diabetic patients ?

Age-47/Male, taking medicine 1 & 2 for the last 10 years, 3 & 4 for the last 4 years. HbA1C- 6.5
My Present medication is
1. Glimepiride 1mg & Metformin
Hydrochloride 500 mg (Gluformin-G) 1 - 0 - 0 (before 30 mins to b/f)
2. Supradyn (after b/f) 1 - 0 - 0 (after b/f-Multivitamin)
3. Atorvastatin 10mg (Avas-10) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner-anti cholesterol)
4. Ramipril 5 mg (Cardace) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner)

Jayaraman. K

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:15 pm
by Maria Bohle
Yes, what is being said is that type II diabetes is a problem of diet, however there are other possible reasons such as over vaccination and chemical poisoning that the type II diabetic might have been exposed to.

Apparently there is a huge number of type II diabetics among the 'Viet Nam' veterans, the VA is investigating the chemicals used during that era.
One of my clients, daughter of a veteran has metabolic syndrome she was born in '68 and while her diet is not great, traditional medicine is not helping at all,her symptoms are a non traditional presentation.

Between over vaccination and those chemicals it may have caused a ovewhelm to the endocrine system.

While I am much more of a 'classical' homeopath, etiology is still etiology and diabetes, like cancer can certainly be considered a one sided disease after a period of time and must be treated with some multiple modalities.

We not only have the mental/emotional situation for the client, but dietary requirements to effect a repair are certainly needed, lifestyle changes for sure, and some good drainage perhaps to clean out the system.

These conditions must also be monitored by a 'traditional' endocrinologist' to be sure glucose numbers are as close to target range as possible.

the Banerji protocal says this is a long treatment, but works (80%) of the time.
Thirst, weakness and sugar in the urine is Helonious.

Helonious 200C twice a day
and Ssygioum (spelling??) tincture 10 drops 2 times a day.

Note this is not classical homeopathy, the Banerjis (3 generations of homeopaths ) are traditional medical doctors who exclusively use homeopathy instead of modern medicine, the protocals are set up scientifically just as 'evidence based medicine' decides an antibiotic is needed for this specific kind of infection, the Banerji's use Hahnemann's law of similars and the small doses - but prescribe on named diagnosis.
They also use dry doses daily over a long period of time.

And no, am not promoting this, just passing on some information.

Sincerely,
Maria
________________________________

From: "tamarque"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:20:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Diabetic Medicines for Type-II
As an ‘alternative’ practitioner in the US one has to be careful about telling someone to stop their drugs.
But that is not what has been said.
What is being said is that Type II Diabetes is caused and controlled by diet. Rotten diets result in diabetes
in more and more people and at younger ages. it is epidemic in the US and is spreading world wide as the US
exports its nutritionless food and chemical agriculture. And along with increasing diabetes, there is increasing
obesity. In the US you can see peoples from cultures where people have small body types suddenly begin to
get fatter and develop the American poor health by the 2nd generation.
And I am sure epigenetics has a play in here, too. This is something I wish homeopaths would address more
in discussions.
t
From: Maria Bohle
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:05 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

monitor? I don't understand what you mean by that.

You cannot take someone off their medicines, at least not in the USA and many other countries. Blood sugar has to be carefully monitored.
That said the Drs Banerji's have a diabetes homeopathic protocal they say works with both kinds of diabetes. I have not tried it myself.
Maria (will look it up for you today.)
Is there any homeo medicine substitutes for Allopathic Medicines to monitor Type-II Diabetic patients ?

Age-47/Male, taking medicine 1 & 2 for the last 10 years, 3 & 4 for the last 4 years. HbA1C- 6.5
My Present medication is
1. Glimepiride 1mg & Metformin
Hydrochloride 500 mg (Gluformin-G) 1 - 0 - 0 (before 30 mins to b/f)
2. Supradyn (after b/f) 1 - 0 - 0 (after b/f-Multivitamin)
3. Atorvastatin 10mg (Avas-10) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner-anti cholesterol)
4. Ramipril 5 mg (Cardace) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner)

Jayaraman. K

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:49 pm
by Tanya Marquette
Yes, this is interesting. And the more we know, the better equipped we are to try to heal.
We know that stress affects the bodies use of nutrients often using up the paltry supply in
the standard American diet all too quickly. This, super nutrition is required to address the
weakness of the body.
Homeopathy should be able to help heal the damaged organs and certainly can alleviate the causes of the
stresses as from war experiences.
tanya
From: Maria Bohle
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 8:15 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Yes, what is being said is that type II diabetes is a problem of diet, however there are other possible reasons such as over vaccination and chemical poisoning that the type II diabetic might have been exposed to.

Apparently there is a huge number of type II diabetics among the 'Viet Nam' veterans, the VA is investigating the chemicals used during that era.
One of my clients, daughter of a veteran has metabolic syndrome she was born in '68 and while her diet is not great, traditional medicine is not helping at all,her symptoms are a non traditional presentation.

Between over vaccination and those chemicals it may have caused a ovewhelm to the endocrine system.

While I am much more of a 'classical' homeopath, etiology is still etiology and diabetes, like cancer can certainly be considered a one sided disease after a period of time and must be treated with some multiple modalities.

We not only have the mental/emotional situation for the client, but dietary requirements to effect a repair are certainly needed, lifestyle changes for sure, and some good drainage perhaps to clean out the system.

These conditions must also be monitored by a 'traditional' endocrinologist' to be sure glucose numbers are as close to target range as possible.

the Banerji protocal says this is a long treatment, but works (80%) of the time.
Thirst, weakness and sugar in the urine is Helonious.

Helonious 200C twice a day
and Ssygioum (spelling??) tincture 10 drops 2 times a day.

Note this is not classical homeopathy, the Banerjis (3 generations of homeopaths ) are traditional medical doctors who exclusively use homeopathy instead of modern medicine, the protocals are set up scientifically just as 'evidence based medicine' decides an antibiotic is needed for this specific kind of infection, the Banerji's use Hahnemann's law of similars and the small doses - but prescribe on named diagnosis.
They also use dry doses daily over a long period of time.

And no, am not promoting this, just passing on some information.

Sincerely,
Maria
________________________________

From: "tamarque"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:20:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

As an ‘alternative’ practitioner in the US one has to be careful about telling someone to stop their drugs.
But that is not what has been said.
What is being said is that Type II Diabetes is caused and controlled by diet. Rotten diets result in diabetes
in more and more people and at younger ages. it is epidemic in the US and is spreading world wide as the US
exports its nutritionless food and chemical agriculture. And along with increasing diabetes, there is increasing
obesity. In the US you can see peoples from cultures where people have small body types suddenly begin to
get fatter and develop the American poor health by the 2nd generation.
And I am sure epigenetics has a play in here, too. This is something I wish homeopaths would address more
in discussions.
t
From: Maria Bohle
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:05 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

monitor? I don't understand what you mean by that.

You cannot take someone off their medicines, at least not in the USA and many other countries. Blood sugar has to be carefully monitored.
That said the Drs Banerji's have a diabetes homeopathic protocal they say works with both kinds of diabetes. I have not tried it myself.
Maria (will look it up for you today.)
Is there any homeo medicine substitutes for Allopathic Medicines to monitor Type-II Diabetic patients ?

Age-47/Male, taking medicine 1 & 2 for the last 10 years, 3 & 4 for the last 4 years. HbA1C- 6.5
My Present medication is
1. Glimepiride 1mg & Metformin
Hydrochloride 500 mg (Gluformin-G) 1 - 0 - 0 (before 30 mins to b/f)
2. Supradyn (after b/f) 1 - 0 - 0 (after b/f-Multivitamin)
3. Atorvastatin 10mg (Avas-10) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner-anti cholesterol)
4. Ramipril 5 mg (Cardace) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner)

Jayaraman. K

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:24 pm
by Rochelle
Marie – firstly “monitor” means taking your blood sugar readings with a meter regularly – this is usually done at least on waking in the morning and is called a fasting blood sugar reading.
Secondly please don’t forget that there are many people like myself whose Type 2 is caused solely by genetics NOT obesity. My father, and his father were skinny men. Most of my grandfather’s 8 children inherited Type 2 middle aged diabetes. Now I am not saying I am skinny but I have never been more than a few pounds overweight and have always eaten a sensible diet low on sugar because of my family susceptibility. Always been size 10 or 12 dress size (UK size, USA size 6 or 8) So saying my Type2 actually began when I returned from India after eating rice , loads of fruit, over cooked veg (makes it high GI) , roti, poppadums’ and the like as well as having to have a try at all the sweet desserts.
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Bohle
Sent: 12 February 2013 13:15
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Diabetic Medicines for Type-II
Yes, what is being said is that type II diabetes is a problem of diet, however there are other possible reasons such as over vaccination and chemical poisoning that the type II diabetic might have been exposed to.

Apparently there is a huge number of type II diabetics among the 'Viet Nam' veterans, the VA is investigating the chemicals used during that era.
One of my clients, daughter of a veteran has metabolic syndrome she was born in '68 and while her diet is not great, traditional medicine is not helping at all,her symptoms are a non traditional presentation.

Between over vaccination and those chemicals it may have caused a ovewhelm to the endocrine system.

While I am much more of a 'classical' homeopath, etiology is still etiology and diabetes, like cancer can certainly be considered a one sided disease after a period of time and must be treated with some multiple modalities.

We not only have the mental/emotional situation for the client, but dietary requirements to effect a repair are certainly needed, lifestyle changes for sure, and some good drainage perhaps to clean out the system.

These conditions must also be monitored by a 'traditional' endocrinologist' to be sure glucose numbers are as close to target range as possible.

the Banerji protocal says this is a long treatment, but works (80%) of the time.
Thirst, weakness and sugar in the urine is Helonious.

Helonious 200C twice a day
and Ssygioum (spelling??) tincture 10 drops 2 times a day.

Note this is not classical homeopathy, the Banerjis (3 generations of homeopaths ) are traditional medical doctors who exclusively use homeopathy instead of modern medicine, the protocals are set up scientifically just as 'evidence based medicine' decides an antibiotic is needed for this specific kind of infection, the Banerji's use Hahnemann's law of similars and the small doses - but prescribe on named diagnosis.
They also use dry doses daily over a long period of time.

And no, am not promoting this, just passing on some information.

Sincerely,
Maria
________________________________

From: "tamarque" >
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:20:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Diabetic Medicines for Type-II
As an ‘alternative’ practitioner in the US one has to be careful about telling someone to stop their drugs.

But that is not what has been said.
What is being said is that Type II Diabetes is caused and controlled by diet. Rotten diets result in diabetes

in more and more people and at younger ages. it is epidemic in the US and is spreading world wide as the US

exports its nutritionless food and chemical agriculture. And along with increasing diabetes, there is increasing

obesity. In the US you can see peoples from cultures where people have small body types suddenly begin to

get fatter and develop the American poor health by the 2nd generation.
And I am sure epigenetics has a play in here, too. This is something I wish homeopaths would address more

in discussions.
t
From: Maria Bohle

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:05 AM

To: minutus@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Minutus] Diabetic Medicines for Type-II
monitor? I don't understand what you mean by that.
You cannot take someone off their medicines, at least not in the USA and many other countries. Blood sugar has to be carefully monitored.
That said the Drs Banerji's have a diabetes homeopathic protocal they say works with both kinds of diabetes. I have not tried it myself.
Maria (will look it up for you today.)
Is there any homeo medicine substitutes for Allopathic Medicines to monitor Type-II Diabetic patients ?

Age-47/Male, taking medicine 1 & 2 for the last 10 years, 3 & 4 for the last 4 years. HbA1C- 6.5
My Present medication is
1. Glimepiride 1mg & Metformin
Hydrochloride 500 mg (Gluformin-G) 1 - 0 - 0 (before 30 mins to b/f)
2. Supradyn (after b/f) 1 - 0 - 0 (after b/f-Multivitamin)
3. Atorvastatin 10mg (Avas-10) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner-anti cholesterol)
4. Ramipril 5 mg (Cardace) 0 - 0 - 1 (after dinner)

Jayaraman. K

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:08 pm
by Maria Bohle
Hi Rochelle,

Yes, I agree with you, the point is there are many more reasons for type II diabetes and you have just added another one.

The next real question is can diet alone 'cure' type II - I doubt that, just as I doubt it is overweight that causes type II - it could also be the type II that is causing the overweight issue. High blood sugar causes fat to be deposited in the tissues as well as extra fat in the liver. So, it becomes a bad downward spiral.

The endocrine system is a moving target -something like the lights game the children play, a light goes on and you need to match the pattern of lights. You aim for one and the next one is the one causing the problem, so very hard to treat.

The Banerji's seem to feel their protocal works for 80% of the people using it for diabetes. This is much more 'evidence based' clinical homeopathy, but Hahnemann was a clinician so I am not for throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Warmly, Maria

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:33 pm
by Rochelle
Hi Maria,
As a controlled Type II I strongly believe that Type II can be controlled but not “cured”. As I explained previously my diabetes is to all intents and purposes “reversed” and no doctor would say that I am diabetic now. However I know that I will never be able to eat a diet containing any simple carbs ( sugar, white bread, white rice, potatoes, pasta etc) and keep my blood sugars at normal rates. Also there is nothing I can do to bring the blood sugar levels down if I get a cold or flu etc.
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Bohle
Sent: 12 February 2013 16:08
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Diabetic Medicines for Type-II
Hi Rochelle,

Yes, I agree with you, the point is there are many more reasons for type II diabetes and you have just added another one.

The next real question is can diet alone 'cure' type II - I doubt that, just as I doubt it is overweight that causes type II - it could also be the type II that is causing the overweight issue. High blood sugar causes fat to be deposited in the tissues as well as extra fat in the liver. So, it becomes a bad downward spiral.

The endocrine system is a moving target -something like the lights game the children play, a light goes on and you need to match the pattern of lights. You aim for one and the next one is the one causing the problem, so very hard to treat.

The Banerji's seem to feel their protocal works for 80% of the people using it for diabetes. This is much more 'evidence based' clinical homeopathy, but Hahnemann was a clinician so I am not for throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Warmly, Maria