Minutus

excellent point,
i have a question about my dog. we have no homeopathic vets in my area and my dog lost use her right front leg over a month ago. she is 11yr ausie/chow mix about 37 pounds. it started with her being completely fine and rolling in her dog bed on the floor, five minutes later she gets up and walks like she is drunk with no use of her right front leg completely collapsing under her. i sat her down and checked for thorns, joint movement, anything out of the ordinary and nothing, she just couldn't use it. no pain in leg/joints. i gave her some food to keep her from getting up in case her foot just fell asleep and just needed time. about 10 minutes later she moans in extreme pain, heavy breathing and just complete, utter pain. took her to emergency room (late nite no regular vet open) blood work came out fine, no worms, etc. absolutely no feeling in front rt leg which was. still in complete pain, moaning whinning, etc. she was given pain med, muscle relaxtor, stomach lining protector for giving aspirin. for two days she barely moved, constant pain, load moaning, heavy breathing, i carried her out to use bathroom, feed her and got water in her and gave meds. after third day, less moaning but still no real movement. after a week, gets up and hobbles around a bit.
the day of the first event her arm was completely cold with no feeling but complete movement of joints was possible
the next day the arm swelled and started getting warm but paw was still cold
several days past and the swelling was one and warmth returned but it took several more days before she could use her elbow, she had been lifting arm from her shoulder.
also, day one, her lips where normally pink, were white.
vet blood test did not show low iron
now today after constant improvement except two days ago she lost her dew claw on the bad foot, it was bloody so i assumed she must have snaged it on something.
today she was fine but she was licking her paw and it was bloody around her third toe nail. then about 1pm she lost use of her left front paw and started moaning again in more distress than pain i believe. she hadnt taken any medicine for weeks and has been on diet of some type of ground me with peas, grn beans garlic and squash massed together.
she is now laying and moaning and no use of either front leg. the original one that went lame she can use to half hold her up but she had never regained use of the wrist portion since the first event at the end of August.
i gave her her original meds for pain and muscle relaxer as soon as this happened again but no aspirin yet.
is there any hope for her
i was VERY dissatisfied with the vet the first time and she offered no help.
please any suggestions for her
thanks
vicki
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From: jtikari
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: [Minutus] Re: (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
One thing we homeopath always should remember that entire homeopathic system is dependent on faith and belief .

says emdadul Hossain.
I have treated umpteen animals with homeopathic remedies with great success.
I don't know how much faith and belief the animals had in homeopathy.
Jeff

To know more about me click: www.jeffspage.com

First thing I'd do is get her to a chiropractor to rule out or adjust any subluxation in the upper spine. Then I'd go to my vet homeopath, Dr. Jeff Feinman, and start aggressive treatment. You can do this long distance!

Please help her! There are many possibilities, but one can prescribe on the symptoms.
ginny

All stunts performed without a net!

Try Mag sulph 30.
Jeff
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Mag phos, not sulph.
Jeff
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I can think of two main potential causes of the monoplegia.
One is nerve damage to peripheral C6 to T2 nerve roots or to other nerve structures like brachial nerves etc, which can happen from abnormal shoulder abduction in dogs (or from being hit by car etc)...basically from trauma tot he nerve, which tears the nerve fibers and possibly also the nerve sheath. Bad trauma can tear the nerve right off but then you would not have seen any improvement.
The other common reason in dogs is neoplasia of a nerve root, usually a lymphosarcoma, (visible by myelogram or MRI) which usually causes progressive damage.

Depending on causation, your homeopathic approach would vary. Hypericum always comes to mind as nerve first aid. Nerves are very slow to regrow, in cases where they can regenerate, and there too my main successes have been with hypericum - helpfully also a pain remedy for nerve pain.
If there is neoplasia, as opposed to simple trauma, that's a whole other ball game.

I'd get a diagnosis to know which you are dealing with? ANd THEN choose the homeopathy to use.
(Vets have no viable treatments for either option, but should be able to diagnose. There are lots of simple tests to see what nerve is damaged, or whether neoplasia is present.)

Other forms of limb paralysis do not seem to me to fit the picture. Tick paralysis for example, starts in a limb and moves upwards. It goes away after the tick is removed.

Hope that is a starting place.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Why?
REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Thanks so much for your excellent point about symptom etiology and the importance of diagnostics Irene.

It is indeed very helpful (Andre Saine says "critical") to understand the physiologic nature of the symptoms. We need to differentiate the common dis-ease symptoms exhibited by many patients from the characteristic individuality of the patient's internal energetic imbalance. That's why it is so important to have a firm grounding in vet medicine (and "modern" medicine in general).

Since we don't know what's truly characteristic of Vicki's dog, I'd probably start by looking at the remedies in:GENERALITIES; DISCOLORATION; whiteness of parts usually red (55) : 3Bor., 3Hell., 3Lac-c.Phat, 3Merc., 2ars.Boe, 2calc.

Also, I need to clear up a misconception. Becoming a certified vet homeopath (CVH) is not a matter of a few weekend courses. The 125 classroom hours require is just the beginning for many of us. See http://www.theavh.org/certification/index.php for more info.

Thanks again for your post

Dr. Jeff

http://www.homevet.com/about-dr-jeff

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Irene de Villiers wrote:

Judging by those symptoms, I would give her Carbo veg. 30C. If no change, repeat two hours later. If you see any change at all, do not repeat, just wait.

I am a lay homeopath. Have been studying and using homeopathy since 1993.

Let me know if you have any questions. Wishing you well.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, vicki h wrote:

It's more than that in my view. Setting aside the latter characteristics of the individual (critical as they are), the disease symptoms may be the same symptoms but the pathologic cause can be different. Remedies in the repertory often indicate this to us, but I do not see enough emphasis on it by homeopaths for my liking:-) It is the most common mistake among vets with only a certificate in homeopathy (as opposed to a degree), to miss this aspect, and the result will be for example, the suggestion of Apis in a case of effusive FIP.
Example explained:
It's such a basic mistake. FIP is not about fluid leaks from tissue, as Apis addresses. It is about fluid leak from blood vessels, and Apis is thus contraindicated, despite the superficial appearance of matching rubrics.
SO I think we have similar objectives but in different ways:
I agree with your premise that a proper grounding in veterinary medicine (anatomy, physiology, pathology, differential diagnosis, labwork interpretation, etc) is required in a good veterinary homeopath.
But my own point is the flip-side - that a course like AVH is NOT enough to cover the in depth homeopathy as is also needed at a properly detailed level, and the lack of which leads to the selection of inappropriate remedies with the best will in the world.
Just as we do not accept "5 meetings, each 4 days in length and spaced out about 2-3 months apart." (quoting the ACTUAL course that your "professional" certificate approves via Pitcairn) as sufficient training for someone to work in veterinary medicine - nor should we accept that small amount for someone to be a homeopath. Having trained on both sides of the coin (and we DO need the whole coin), I am well aware that the training for homeopathy involves a LOT more than the veterinary training - and not a lot less as is happening with the CVH certificate.

When folks want MORE of one or other discipline, as is truly needed in more than first aid cases, then perhaps the best is for there to be two professionals working TOGETHER on cases, but not a vet trying to be a (poorly trained) homeopath or vice versa.
It's no degree......
According to your website:
"*At the present time the only course having requested and received AVH approval is the Professional Course in Veterinary Homeopathy offered by the Animal Natural Health Center of Eugene, OR, taught by Richard Pitcairn, DVM, PhD."
When you follow the link there is a "professional course" consisting of "5 meetings, each 4 days in length and spaced out about 2-3 months apart."
There is a history here - it used to be 3 weekends, then four, and now it's five, SO maybe light is dawning that homeopathy is not a flash in the pan system, and truly IS a more in depth system as is very gradually being perceived. After all, Pitcairn has no formal training in homeopathy and has not bothered to add any formal course in oder to have a degree in it; he is self-admittedly self taught and feels that is sufficient to teach others. So - I assume he learns as he goes. But that is not a generally recognized way to lead a profession when there *are* plenty of formal training options available that cover advanced veterinary homeopathy in a formal and thorough way.

Many overseas countries have a proper recognition of veterinary homeopaths - but this course would not qualify. A degree (not certificate) in veterinary homeopathy is minimum to register as a professional veterinary homeopath in countries with good laws on it - and for insurance companies to accept charges for homeopathy consultations.

I think we do a disservice to homeopathy to allow "professional" to be applied to any less.

It is truly hard to be a really good professional in more than one profession. Trying to wear a vet hat and a homeopathy hat at the same time at the TOP of a profession, is not necessarily in the best interests of an animal with a very serious illness.
Such cases really need the very BEST of veterinary science AND the very best of homeopathic science. AND in my view, this needs top vets and top homeopaths working TOGETHER with ONE objective - the best interests of the animal. (The rare individual will be top in both and will have a DEGREE in both.)

The current totally wrong attitude in USA of calling homeopathy "practice of medicine without a license" is at the root of the problem. It disallows GOOD homeopaths from achieving the dedicated 100% TOP of the profession involvement they are capable of providing.
I'm sure a specially good vet would be equally frustrated if he/she was unable to properly practice *their* highly qualified professional job because some beaurocracy decided he/she was "practicing homeopathy or herbology or plumbing without a license".

Trying to cut out the best homeopaths, is not in the best interests of the animals.
The AVH/CVH does tend to promote that.
And turning everyone into half-vet and half-homeopath, is not in the animals best interests either.

We have a sick system - we need to change it to one that uses the BEST vets and the BEST homeopaths without shooting either of them in the foot, by pretending a certificate qualification is the same as a degree one on either side of the coin
It's ONE coin - so not two sides of a fence - I really mean two sides of ONE coin.

I can quote countless cases where the cat dies because a vet refuses to work WITH a homeopath.
Also many where the wrong remedy has been forced on an animal to the point of grafting, by someone with great intentions but not enough homeopathy training.
That's really not okay - we need to change that.

Just as vets need a DVM degree -to do safe medical practice - so homeopaths need a D.Vet.Hom degree - to do safe homeopathy practice. IMO.

This is all MY opinion, based on what I see daily, and based on my passionate desire to see proper working together of vets and homeopaths, each with TOP expertise in their field and with SOME understanding of the other's field to smooth their close working together, and so achieve what the animals in our care really need and deserve.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hello Dr. Jeff
In response:
Also, I need to clear up a misconception. Becoming a certified vet homeopath (CVH) is not a matter of a few weekend courses. The 125 classroom hours require is just the beginning for many of us
I do agree with that whole heartily class room hours and practise is a vital thing - however we do not require for the certification of a human Homeopath a Medical Doctors degree (although by the time you finished all the requirements you could be) - why do we have to do that for the certification of a Vet Hom - very vexing. Many of us have been treating pets and animals for many years very successfully with Homeopathy and we do not have a veterinary doctors degree.
I think it is time to rethink that process.
Gisela Di Carlo, Di. Vet. Hom