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(unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:01 pm
by Md Hossain
Hi Irene

I am happy that you understood my words but you have some problem with dilution and potentization .

About two months back one learned man added one website ( in minutus )with his writings that proves

that the effect of medicine prepared separately by dilution and potentization ( giving stroke) are same .
Mr. Jeff Tikari repeatedly tried to enlightened us for the same with the help of Dr Nambiar's writings .

On 1945 in a UK homeopathic journal named HEAL THYSELF , prolonged discussions were there ,

some said if stroke increases the power then it is not the power of medicine , it is 'elbow power' .

I am getting result with medicine prepared not by giving stroke but by moderate shaking ( albeit with

the help of elbow power ) .

If we get result what wrong with it ?

Are you worried about Hahnemann's only contribution ( doctrine of potentization ) are shaken ?

Don't worry ! Hahnemann is my GURU .

Only Hahnemann's teachings led me to develop another medicine , which eventually become similar to all
human beings and helps in restoration , preservation and promotion of health of everybody in every

condition of health .
If you allow me then I can say that Hahmann invented it and I have completed it .
To know more , please visit my site www.finalmedicine.com .
Thank you everybody .
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain
Kolkata
India

Re: (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:11 pm
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Dear Dr Hossain
We know that succussion and the strength of the beats imparts "dynamic energy" to the remedy. This is shown by the sensitive patient requiring less succussion when using LMs or when plussing.
As far as your remedy - a cure all - is concerned, you are not telling us much and as it is claimed that it suits all, then it cannot be based on the principle of 'symptom similarity' and therefore it is NOT homeopathy.
It also means that to prescribe it, one does not need a trained person. Any one can distribute it and indeed potentially it can be put in the mains water and everyone in town will be cured.
You say Hn started the work and you have finished it.

I look forward to more details of how you finished Hn's work.
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Md Hossain
Sent: 20 September 2012 12:53
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Hi Irene
I am happy that you understood my words but you have some problem with dilution and potentization .
About two months back one learned man added one website ( in minutus )with his writings that proves
that the effect of medicine prepared separately by dilution and potentization ( giving stroke) are same .
Mr. Jeff Tikari repeatedly tried to enlightened us for the same with the help of Dr Nambiar's writings .
On 1945 in a UK homeopathic journal named HEAL THYSELF , prolonged discussions were there ,
some said if stroke increases the power then it is not the power of medicine , it is 'elbow power' .
I am getting result with medicine prepared not by giving stroke but by moderate shaking ( albeit with
the help of elbow power ) .
If we get result what wrong with it ?
Are you worried about Hahnemann's only contribution ( doctrine of potentization ) are shaken ?
Don't worry ! Hahnemann is my GURU .
Only Hahnemann's teachings led me to develop another medicine , which eventually become similar to all
human beings and helps in restoration , preservation and promotion of health of everybody in every
condition of health .
If you allow me then I can say that Hahmann invented it and I have completed it .
To know more , please visit my site www.finalmedicine.com .
Thank you everybody .
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain
Kolkata
India

Re: (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:28 pm
by Md Hossain
Dear Br Soroush,
" Physicians high and only mission is to restore the sick......."
My only medicine can do the job .
Hahnemann's EUREKA tine , he thought that his invention can cure everybody, but he could not because of the limitations (partial effect) of medicine . This is why he had to add so many theories . Even during his last year of life he had to experiment with different potencies . If his first meicine could have covered holistically he would not have developed any other medicine and theory .
Thanks .
Emdadul Hossain
________________________________

From: "finrod@finrod.co.uk"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Dear Dr Hossain
We know that succussion and the strength of the beats imparts "dynamic energy" to the remedy. This is shown by the sensitive patient requiring less succussion when using LMs or when plussing.
As far as your remedy - a cure all - is concerned, you are not telling us much and as it is claimed that it suits all, then it cannot be based on the principle of 'symptom similarity' and therefore it is NOT homeopathy.
It also means that to prescribe it, one does not need a trained person. Any one can distribute it and indeed potentially it can be put in the mains water and everyone in town will be cured.
You say Hn started the work and you have finished it.
I look forward to more details of how you finished Hn's work.
Rgds
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Md Hossain
Sent: 20 September 2012 12:53
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Hi Irene
I am happy that you understood my words but you have some problem with dilution and potentization .
About two months back one learned man added one website ( in minutus )with his writings that proves
that the effect of medicine prepared separately by dilution and potentization ( giving stroke) are same .
Mr. Jeff Tikari repeatedly tried to enlightened us for the same with the help of Dr Nambiar's writings .
On 1945 in a UK homeopathic journal named HEAL THYSELF , prolonged discussions were there ,
some said if stroke increases the power then it is not the power of medicine , it is 'elbow power' .
I am getting result with medicine prepared not by giving stroke but by moderate shaking ( albeit with
the help of elbow power ) .
If we get result what wrong with it ?
Are you worried about Hahnemann's only contribution ( doctrine of potentization ) are shaken ?
Don't worry ! Hahnemann is my GURU .
Only Hahnemann's teachings led me to develop another medicine , which eventually become similar to all
human beings and helps in restoration , preservation and promotion of health of everybody in every
condition of health .
If you allow me then I can say that Hahmann invented it and I have completed it .
To know more , please visit my site www.finalmedicine.com .
Thank you everybody .
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain
Kolkata
India

Re: (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:04 pm
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Dear Dr Hossain
Until you tell us more about this product, all we have from you is series of claims.
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Md Hossain
Sent: 20 September 2012 15:06
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Dear Br Soroush,
" Physicians high and only mission is to restore the sick......."
My only medicine can do the job .
Hahnemann's EUREKA tine , he thought that his invention can cure everybody, but he could not because of the limitations (partial effect) of medicine . This is why he had to add so many theories . Even during his last year of life he had to experiment with different potencies . If his first meicine could have covered holistically he would not have developed any other medicine and theory .
Thanks .
Emdadul Hossain

________________________________

From: "finrod@finrod.co.uk " >
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Dear Dr Hossain
We know that succussion and the strength of the beats imparts "dynamic energy" to the remedy. This is shown by the sensitive patient requiring less succussion when using LMs or when plussing.
As far as your remedy - a cure all - is concerned, you are not telling us much and as it is claimed that it suits all, then it cannot be based on the principle of 'symptom similarity' and therefore it is NOT homeopathy.
It also means that to prescribe it, one does not need a trained person. Any one can distribute it and indeed potentially it can be put in the mains water and everyone in town will be cured.
You say Hn started the work and you have finished it.

I look forward to more details of how you finished Hn's work.
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Md Hossain
Sent: 20 September 2012 12:53
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Hi Irene
I am happy that you understood my words but you have some problem with dilution and potentization .
About two months back one learned man added one website ( in minutus )with his writings that proves
that the effect of medicine prepared separately by dilution and potentization ( giving stroke) are same .
Mr. Jeff Tikari repeatedly tried to enlightened us for the same with the help of Dr Nambiar's writings .
On 1945 in a UK homeopathic journal named HEAL THYSELF , prolonged discussions were there ,
some said if stroke increases the power then it is not the power of medicine , it is 'elbow power' .
I am getting result with medicine prepared not by giving stroke but by moderate shaking ( albeit with
the help of elbow power ) .
If we get result what wrong with it ?
Are you worried about Hahnemann's only contribution ( doctrine of potentization ) are shaken ?
Don't worry ! Hahnemann is my GURU .
Only Hahnemann's teachings led me to develop another medicine , which eventually become similar to all
human beings and helps in restoration , preservation and promotion of health of everybody in every
condition of health .
If you allow me then I can say that Hahmann invented it and I have completed it .
To know more , please visit my site www.finalmedicine.com .
Thank you everybody .
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain
Kolkata
India

Re: (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:24 pm
by healthinfo6
And broken promises...
You had promised to let me know what are the ingredients of 'Final Medicine'. Are you going to fulfill that promise?
Posted By: Dr. J Tikari Date: 2012-07-29 02:27:30
Susan

Re: (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:32 pm
by Irene de Villiers
Energy is energy - it can neither be created nor destroyed - a physics principle.
It can only be transferred to another form - so elbow grease becomes homeopathic energy

Unsuccssed remedies are proven not to be effective in double blind placebo controlled studies.
The AMOUNT of succussion needed is debatable, but it is needed.

Irene

REPLY TO: only
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:41 am
by jtikari
Md. Hossains conjecture that I have said dilution and potentizing are the same is a fiction
of his imagination. How can they possibly be the same? They are two completely different processes
vital to homeopathic preparations. You can not have one and not the other.
What about similia similibus curentur - how can Hossains single medicine be a similia for all human ailments as he claims???
And then he is extremely secretive about the remedy. He doesn't want to share the remedy to improve our health, he wants only to improve his bank bakance. He wants to patent the homeopathic remedy that has been in use for hundreds of years.
Best of luck Md. Hossain.
Jeff Tikari

To know more about me click: www.jeffspage.com
________________________________

Re: (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:51 am
by Mary Ann Gilmore
Dear Dr. Hossain,

I have been following the discussions about your ‘final medicine’along
with all of the excellent questions others have raised about it. My
following comments and questions are with all due respect and kindness for
your efforts to help suffering humanity.

When you make the claim ‘final medicine’ this is an absolute claim which
means that no other medicine is needed ever. I did read your website and
you make this claim. However if this is so, out of the 10,000 or so that
you claim to have helped I see only two testimonials and those from this
year only.

Some questions:

Did any of the 10,000 or so ever get sick again?

If no, why no more testimonials?

If yes, should this medicine be called something else since nothing
absolutely final has happened?

Why have you not published this information throughout the world?

Is it because of big pharma, etc. and if so did that stop others?

Is there another reason? Is so, what is it?

If some of the children you helped were never sick, why were they given
vaccines later by your own admission?

Under the website heading We Can you make the claim that you can “prevent
almost all” human sufferings with this medicine along with the help of
proper nutrition, hygiene, sanitation and lifestyle, etc.

Some questions:

You are saying ‘almost all’ and you also include all of these other
factors so does not this deny the idea of an absolute final medicine?

Would you not have to say ‘I can prevent ALL human suffering and then not
include these other things since no on on earth today can make this claim
with pollution, GMO, etc can get proper nutrition, hygiene, etc?

How is this ‘final’ when it is not the one and only medicine one will ever
need and only one time?

Has a proving ever been done of this medicine?

Did it follow the guidelines outlined by Dr. Hahnemann?

Where is it published?

Is it accessible as other provings are?

You quote others like Jan Scholten, etc. but do you publish as they do?

Historically speaking, when other men have made claims to heal, what was
the proof?

Was it the medicine or the fact that the person was healed and did they
make or prove claims, explaining things like principles of cure, knowledge
of medicine, provings, etc.? Dr. Hahnemann did this as well as those
after him.

Also, another example, many believe the healings that Jesus performed were real.
Why? Even though his primary job was not as a healer, he made no
extravagant claims, he just did it and let the person be the proof. (Only
two testimonials out of 10,000 is not a proof to me). He also did them in
public places, with simplicity and took no money from those healed. Even
his enemies acknowledged his healings? Is this true for you? Dr.
Hahnemann also had a free clinic.

I also noted that there does not seem to be a response to questions when
asked here and I noticed that Jeff put a question on your website and when
I checked today it was removed and not answered.

More questions:

Is there a reason why you did not answer?

Does your claim to homeopathy take into account Aph 119 where it talks
about the ‘differing medicines’ needed? We could go on and on using the
Organon just by itself.

Even though homeopathy needs to develop, how do you justify throwing out
certain things?

If this is justiable then should not there be a very detailed explanation
with proof?

And finally, this leads to our acknowledging the indispensable role that
Dr. Hahnemann played in discovering homeopathy and documenting it clearly
for us. Notice, please, that I said documenting.

Some questions:

Have you documented your discoveries down to the smallest detail following
the tradition of Dr. Hahnemann, especially noting the important fine, fine
details necessary in order to explain to others the concepts he discovered
so that there would be as few questions as possible left to ask? (and
then there were a few even with his lifetime of documenting) His thorough
care is apparent to all.

Have you published these as he did? If yes, where are they? If you are
too busy, (and Dr. Hahnemann was not) could you not get an assistant or
secretary to do this for you? Dr. Hahnemann did this.

Under CANCER on your website you make the claim that one can take the
‘final medicine’ along with their cancer medicine and then the cancer
medicine can be withdrawn.

Some more questions:

So, has your medicine cured every cancer patient you have had and if so
why no testimonials?

Why do you also keep saying good nutrition, proper hygiene, no smoking,
etc. along with your ‘final medicine?’

Again, the conclusion has to be that this is not final.

And if you have found an ‘only solution’

Some questions:

Why will you not publish it? If you do not trust someone to publish it
accurately, why not self-publish so that you have total control over what
is discussed?

And this ‘only solution’, will it be made available to everyone in your
country free? After all, think of what that would do for the prosperity
and well being of your whole country.

Would it not make it one of the most powerful on earth, when now it is
overrun by poverty, unsanitary conditions, etc.?

Why under heart disease do you say that it will help those in an incurable
state?

Is this not a contradiction?

If the word final is absolute, then there would be no incurable state
would there?

Does it act as a palliative at this point? So how is it final if it does
not cure?

And finally, if you would ever reach a disease free society, how would you
get rid of death and even more within range, how would you prevent corrupt
individuals from corrupting the maintaining environment we live in, never
mind adding more devious wars?

Do we need a society full of healthy, corrupt people filling the earth
with vaccines, GMO food, pollution, as well as going to war with each
other?

Would this not be worse than what we see today and aren’t things are bad
enough as it is?
And if you improve the health of those living in poverty, with poor
hygiene, poor nutrition, etc. (rich or poor) how do you differentiate your
‘cure’ from the improvement of their conditions?

Would not there be a huge decrease in disease just from removing
maintaining causes alone, (which today is impossible to do absolutely)?
I could go on and on with questions, most of which have already been
excellently asked by others and I, no doubt, have duplicated, not having
had time to reread them all.

No one can know for sure what you are claiming and many claims can be made
about anything (GMO is wonderful!) But proof in the disclosure process is
part of how to convince others. Added to this proof of motives is also
another way to give added credibility. So until this is done, the
discussion is basically becomes contentious and can be of no value to
anyone else.

I would really appreciate your taking the time to answer just a few of
these questions.

Yours truly,

Mary Ann Gilmore
Mary Ann Gilmore

From: "finrod@finrod.co.uk"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Dear Dr Hossain
Until you tell us more about this product, all we have from you is series of claims.
Rgds
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Md Hossain
Sent: 20 September 2012 15:06
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Dear Br Soroush,
" Physicians high and only mission is to restore the sick......."
My only medicine can do the job .
Hahnemann's EUREKA tine , he thought that his invention can cure everybody, but he could not because of the limitations (partial effect) of medicine . This is why he had to add so many theories . Even during his last year of life he had to experiment with different potencies . If his first meicine could have covered holistically he would not have developed any other medicine and theory .
Thanks .
Emdadul Hossain
From: "finrod@finrod.co.uk " >
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Dear Dr Hossain
We know that succussion and the strength of the beats imparts "dynamic energy" to the remedy. This is shown by the sensitive patient requiring less succussion when using LMs or when plussing.
As far as your remedy - a cure all - is concerned, you are not telling us much and as it is claimed that it suits all, then it cannot be based on the principle of 'symptom similarity' and therefore it is NOT homeopathy.
It also means that to prescribe it, one does not need a trained person. Any one can distribute it and indeed potentially it can be put in the mains water and everyone in town will be cured.
You say Hn started the work and you have finished it.
I look forward to more details of how you finished Hn's work.
Rgds
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Md Hossain
Sent: 20 September 2012 12:53
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Hi Irene
I am happy that you understood my words but you have some problem with dilution and potentization .
About two months back one learned man added one website ( in minutus )with his writings that proves
that the effect of medicine prepared separately by dilution and potentization ( giving stroke) are same .
Mr. Jeff Tikari repeatedly tried to enlightened us for the same with the help of Dr Nambiar's writings .
On 1945 in a UK homeopathic journal named HEAL THYSELF , prolonged discussions were there ,
some said if stroke increases the power then it is not the power of medicine , it is 'elbow power' .
I am getting result with medicine prepared not by giving stroke but by moderate shaking ( albeit with
the help of elbow power ) .
If we get result what wrong with it ?
Are you worried about Hahnemann's only contribution ( doctrine of potentization ) are shaken ?
Don't worry ! Hahnemann is my GURU .
Only Hahnemann's teachings led me to develop another medicine , which eventually become similar to all
human beings and helps in restoration , preservation and promotion of health of everybody in every
condition of health .
If you allow me then I can say that Hahmann invented it and I have completed it .
To know more , please visit my site http://www.finalmedicine.com/ .
Thank you everybody .
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain
Kolkata
India

Re: (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:05 am
by Md Hossain
Hi everybody,
I am not against drug dynamization . I am as proud as everybody for being a homeopath . Just I wanted to say that I am getting equal result by medicines prepared with strokes or with shaking . Stroke needs elbow power and shaking also needs elbow power . May be changing are same and creating same energy .
My India is a 1.25 billion population country . We used to see many number of patients daily . We can work on patients in different ways .
My FINAL MEDICINE has been using by many persons (practitioners -- registered & non-registered) as double blind , triple blind , even tetra blind in random way with equal result .
Thanks.
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain
www.finalmedicine.com

________________________________

From: Irene de Villiers
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Energy is energy - it can neither be created nor destroyed - a physics principle.
It can only be transferred to another form - so elbow grease becomes homeopathic energy

Unsuccssed remedies are proven not to be effective in double blind placebo controlled studies.
The AMOUNT of succussion needed is debatable, but it is needed.

Irene

REPLY TO: > only
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:05 am
by Md Hossain
Mr Jeff,
You have used my medicine for yourself for purpura of which you were not getting any improvement by some homeopathic medicines . Then you wrote to minutus for help and I offered my medicine . And you gladly wanted to get the medicine . Then I send it without any charge , neither for medicine nor for courier charges .
How you can say that I want to increase my bank balance .
I am happy that you got improvement and sent me the below mentioned mail .
Now you want to now the ingredients .
I will tell the ingredients when hundreds of homeopaths like you will use it . And I am sure that everybody will get better result than any existing medicine in the world .
Thanks .

Dr Md Emdadul Hossain
www.finalmedicine.com
--- On Sat, 26/5/12, jtikari wrote:
________________________________

From: jtikari
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)

Md. Hossains conjecture that I have said dilution and potentizing are the same is a fiction
of his imagination. How can they possibly be the same? They are two completely different processes
vital to homeopathic preparations. You can not have one and not the other.
What about similia similibus curentur - how can Hossains single medicine be a similia for all human ailments as he claims???
And then he is extremely secretive about the remedy. He doesn't want to share the remedy to improve our health, he wants only to improve his bank bakance. He wants to patent the homeopathic remedy that has been in use for hundreds of years.
Best of luck Md. Hossain.
Jeff Tikari

To know more about me click: www.jeffspage.com
________________________________