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staghorn strivit e kidney stone

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:16 pm
by debbiecozens
Hi everyone, i am new to the group and desperately seeking natural healing ;-)

I had pains in my flank area and went for an xray.the xray said i have a 4cm staghorn strivite kidney stone in my left kidney.I am trying to avoid surgery a i have read online that it seems to be the only solution.Is there any alternative method, herbs, therapies that i can use or do to dissolve this stone? I know it is caused from an UTI that i had years ago so i am on anti parasitic med wormwood to kill the parazites adn i am zapping too. Any advice would be so appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Debjuv

Re: staghorn strivit e kidney stone

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:53 am
by healthinfo6
There may be homeopathic remedies that could help dissolve or move the stone, though a 4cm may be too big to get through a ureter, urethra, etc. w/o much pain. I know there are ultrasound or similar machines that uses sound waves to break up the stone into smaller pieces, which is not surgery, but to avoid it. You could ask about that availability in your area.
Since you mention parasites and "zapping" are you using Hulda Clark's methods? Did you make or purchase her zapper? If so, have you noticed any results from it?
Susan

Re: staghorn strivit e kidney stone

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:20 am
by Shannon Nelson
From my "ancient archives," here's what sounds to be a very simple approach for kidney stones. It's a bit long, and I hope I didn't cut too brutally. :-)
Shannon
To: "ker@neosoft.com "@neosoft.com
Cc: homeopathy@lyghtforce.com
Subject: Re: suppression, was mastitis
Re: ... Potato water to dissolve kidney stones
The proportions do not have to be exact. when i am simply dealing with
someone who has a chronic kidney stone problem i explain about the role
of magnesium and potassium and their relation to calcium assimilation,
storage and use. i suggest that they cook a pot of white potatoes with
several inches of extra water, drain the potatoes and refrigerate them
for later meals, drink the soupy water (it need be no thicker than stock,
tho i prefer to make it a slightly thicker, soupy consistency). i
suggest they refrigerate that as well,; it will last 3 days that way and
they should drink a 6-8 ounce portion twice a day to prevent stones. i
explain that if they have stones these nutrients will actually dissolve
them until they are small enough to be easily and painlessly passed.
After several weeks of this, i suggest that they may be able to cut it
down to one glass daily. depending upon their state of health and their
tastebuds, i often suggest adding garlic powder, cayenne powder, Bragg's
unfermented soy sauce (called liquid aminos), and or nutritional yeast...
maybe even some kelp or alfalfa or other source of extra minerals and
trace minerals...i explain about the caking agents, fumigation, radiation
and other contaminants found in commercial seasonings and recommend they
buy these fresher and purer through a co-op or a health food store if
they do not grow the foods themselves
in an acute case of course, i would want to do things a bit differently.
let me give you an example: at a small, regional Rainbow Gathering in the
mountains of Kentucky. I was the only "medical" staff on hand.... one late afternoon a runner came to my camp/clinic to report a sister with a medical emergency...
... when we arrived [the person was] on the ground, rolling and moaning and screaming with pain. I managed ... to get her to stand up and walk in circles with me while she explained that she had recently had kidney stones ....
This conversation was spotted with moments of extreme pain and included
an occassional scream and a lot of moaning. I gave her Arnica, Belladonna
and Uva Ursi(or was it Urtica Urens, I 'm not sure any more) in 30X from
my kit over a period of some 40 minutes, with little result. ... I sent word to the... kitchen for them to put up a pot of potatoes with extra water, drain the potatoes and send me the water. ... [T]hey provided me with probably a full 2 gallons of this potato water in 3 different batches, throughout the evening and night. We also made tea of gravel root, comfrey, cornsilk, uva ursi and horsetail which we kept feeding to
the patient in between cups of potato water.
... y now we had been with this sister up in our camp for about 4 or 5 hours..
By the time I got back to the sister she had passed the last of the
stones with her urine almost painlessly and had fallen asleep. The next
day she was fine... I saw her a year later and she was still drinking 1 cup a day of potato water and had never had a recurrance of the kidney stone problem. ...
Altogether I would say that the sister above drank a total of 4 gallons of liquid in an 8 hour period, maybe more, of which 1 gallon was potato water and one half gallon was the herbal mixture.
... Since then I have used potato water numerous times with various herbs or homeopathics depending upon the preferences of the individual patient. It has never failed.
...
Water, Singing-on-the-Rocks

Re: staghorn strivit e kidney stone

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:42 am
by Soroush Ebrahimi
My mum used the ears of corn and stalks of cherry boiled for a bit and the pt was given this cleared water.
I am not sure if it was good as your potato water!

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Nelson
Sent: 01 August 2012 04:21
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] staghorn strivit e kidney stone
From my "ancient archives," here's what sounds to be a very simple approach for kidney stones. It's a bit long, and I hope I didn't cut too brutally. :-)

Shannon
To: "ker@neosoft.com "@neosoft.com

Cc: homeopathy@lyghtforce.com

Subject: Re: suppression, was mastitis
Re: ... Potato water to dissolve kidney stones
The proportions do not have to be exact. when i am simply dealing with

someone who has a chronic kidney stone problem i explain about the role

of magnesium and potassium and their relation to calcium assimilation,

storage and use. i suggest that they cook a pot of white potatoes with

several inches of extra water, drain the potatoes and refrigerate them

for later meals, drink the soupy water (it need be no thicker than stock,

tho i prefer to make it a slightly thicker, soupy consistency). i

suggest they refrigerate that as well,; it will last 3 days that way and

they should drink a 6-8 ounce portion twice a day to prevent stones. i

explain that if they have stones these nutrients will actually dissolve

them until they are small enough to be easily and painlessly passed.

After several weeks of this, i suggest that they may be able to cut it

down to one glass daily. depending upon their state of health and their

tastebuds, i often suggest adding garlic powder, cayenne powder, Bragg's

unfermented soy sauce (called liquid aminos), and or nutritional yeast...

maybe even some kelp or alfalfa or other source of extra minerals and

trace minerals...i explain about the caking agents, fumigation, radiation

and other contaminants found in commercial seasonings and recommend they

buy these fresher and purer through a co-op or a health food store if

they do not grow the foods themselves
in an acute case of course, i would want to do things a bit differently.

let me give you an example: at a small, regional Rainbow Gathering in the

mountains of Kentucky. I was the only "medical" staff on hand.... one late afternoon a runner came to my camp/clinic to report a sister with a medical emergency...
... when we arrived [the person was] on the ground, rolling and moaning and screaming with pain. I managed ... to get her to stand up and walk in circles with me while she explained that she had recently had kidney stones ....
This conversation was spotted with moments of extreme pain and included

an occassional scream and a lot of moaning. I gave her Arnica, Belladonna

and Uva Ursi(or was it Urtica Urens, I 'm not sure any more) in 30X from

my kit over a period of some 40 minutes, with little result. ... I sent word to the... kitchen for them to put up a pot of potatoes with extra water, drain the potatoes and send me the water. ... [T]hey provided me with probably a full 2 gallons of this potato water in 3 different batches, throughout the evening and night. We also made tea of gravel root, comfrey, cornsilk, uva ursi and horsetail which we kept feeding to

the patient in between cups of potato water.
... y now we had been with this sister up in our camp for about 4 or 5 hours..
By the time I got back to the sister she had passed the last of the

stones with her urine almost painlessly and had fallen asleep. The next

day she was fine... I saw her a year later and she was still drinking 1 cup a day of potato water and had never had a recurrance of the kidney stone problem. ...
Altogether I would say that the sister above drank a total of 4 gallons of liquid in an 8 hour period, maybe more, of which 1 gallon was potato water and one half gallon was the herbal mixture.
... Since then I have used potato water numerous times with various herbs or homeopathics depending upon the preferences of the individual patient. It has never failed.

...
Water, Singing-on-the-Rocks
There may be homeopathic remedies that could help dissolve or move the stone, though a 4cm may be too big to get through a ureter, urethra, etc. w/o much pain. I know there are ultrasound or similar machines that uses sound waves to break up the stone into smaller pieces, which is not surgery, but to avoid it. You could ask about that availability in your area.
Since you mention parasites and "zapping" are you using Hulda Clark's methods? Did you make or purchase her zapper? If so, have you noticed any results from it?
Susan

Re: staghorn strivit e kidney stone

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:49 pm
by Md Hossain
I have experience to dissolve kidney stone with newly developed homeopathic medicine. Please visit my website www.finalmedicine.com . Thanks .
From: Shannon Nelson
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2012 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] staghorn strivit e kidney stone
From my "ancient archives," here's what sounds to be a very simple approach for kidney stones. It's a bit long, and I hope I didn't cut too brutally. :-)
Shannon
To: "ker@neosoft.com "@neosoft.com
Cc: homeopathy@lyghtforce.com
Subject: Re: suppression, was mastitis
Re: ... Potato water to dissolve kidney stones
The proportions do not have to be exact. when i am simply dealing with
someone who has a chronic kidney stone problem i explain about the role
of magnesium and potassium and their relation to calcium assimilation,
storage and use. i suggest that they cook a pot of white potatoes with
several inches of extra water, drain the potatoes and refrigerate them
for later meals, drink the soupy water (it need be no thicker than stock,
tho i prefer to make it a slightly thicker, soupy consistency). i
suggest they refrigerate that as well,; it will last 3 days that way and
they should drink a 6-8 ounce portion twice a day to prevent stones. i
explain that if they have stones these nutrients will actually dissolve
them until they are small enough to be easily and painlessly passed.
After several weeks of this, i suggest that they may be able to cut it
down to one glass daily. depending upon their state of health and their
tastebuds, i often suggest adding garlic powder, cayenne powder, Bragg's
unfermented soy sauce (called liquid aminos), and or nutritional yeast...
maybe even some kelp or alfalfa or other source of extra minerals and
trace minerals...i explain about the caking agents, fumigation, radiation
and other contaminants found in commercial seasonings and recommend they
buy these fresher and purer through a co-op or a health food store if
they do not grow the foods themselves
in an acute case of course, i would want to do things a bit differently.
let me give you an example: at a small, regional Rainbow Gathering in the
mountains of Kentucky. I was the only "medical" staff on hand.... one late afternoon a runner came to my camp/clinic to report a sister with a medical emergency...
... when we arrived [the person was] on the ground, rolling and moaning and screaming with pain. I managed ... to get her to stand up and walk in circles with me while she explained that she had recently had kidney stones ....
This conversation was spotted with moments of extreme pain and included
an occassional scream and a lot of moaning. I gave her Arnica, Belladonna
and Uva Ursi(or was it Urtica Urens, I 'm not sure any more) in 30X from
my kit over a period of some 40 minutes, with little result. ... I sent word to the... kitchen for them to put up a pot of potatoes with extra water, drain the potatoes and send me the water. ... [T]hey provided me with probably a full 2 gallons of this potato water in 3 different batches, throughout the evening and night. We also made tea of gravel root, comfrey, cornsilk, uva ursi and horsetail which we kept feeding to
the patient in between cups of potato water.
... y now we had been with this sister up in our camp for about 4 or 5 hours..
By the time I got back to the sister she had passed the last of the
stones with her urine almost painlessly and had fallen asleep. The next
day she was fine... I saw her a year later and she was still drinking 1 cup a day of potato water and had never had a recurrance of the kidney stone problem. ...
Altogether I would say that the sister above drank a total of 4 gallons of liquid in an 8 hour period, maybe more, of which 1 gallon was potato water and one half gallon was the herbal mixture.
... Since then I have used potato water numerous times with various herbs or homeopathics depending upon the preferences of the individual patient. It has never failed.
...
Water, Singing-on-the-Rocks

Re: staghorn strivit e kidney stone

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:57 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Which part of the ears -- the entire ear including green husk, or the yellow part one normally eats? Cherry *stalks* -- interesting!!

Re: staghorn strivit e kidney stone

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:01 pm
by Rochelle Marsden
Quebra Pedra in the form of tea or in capsule form is known as the “stone breaker” and is used for kidney and gall stones. I also seem to remember that the herb or is it the homeopathic remedy Hydrangea is another stone breaker that can be used and is also a homeopathic remedy. Best would be to see a homeopath for a full consultation.
Rochelle Marsden MSc, RSHom, MNWCH, AAMET

Registered with the Society of Homeopaths

EFT(Advanced) Practitioner

www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

https://www.facebook.com/southporthomeopathicpractice
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of healthyinfo6@aol.com
Sent: 01 August 2012 03:54
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Cc: jubileejoy@live.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] staghorn strivit e kidney stone
There may be homeopathic remedies that could help dissolve or move the stone, though a 4cm may be too big to get through a ureter, urethra, etc. w/o much pain. I know there are ultrasound or similar machines that uses sound waves to break up the stone into smaller pieces, which is not surgery, but to avoid it. You could ask about that availability in your area.
Since you mention parasites and "zapping" are you using Hulda Clark's methods? Did you make or purchase her zapper? If so, have you noticed any results from it?
Susan

Re: staghorn strivit e kidney stone

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:32 pm
by Dale Moss
Hi, Shannon
Thanks for this. It was so nice to see a posting from Water S-O-R, a fine homeopath and all-purpose medicine man with whom I've worked at a few Rainbow gatherings.
Peace,
Dale

Re: staghorn strivit e kidney stone

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:35 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Oh you have, how neat! Yes, I really enjoyed his contributions.

Re: staghorn strivit e kidney stone

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:08 am
by deb coz
Thank you so much for all the advice ;-) i have booked for a lazer treatment for 17 aug as this stone is huge. The doc insisting on PNL key hole surgery but im going to do 2 lazers and see...at least if its smaller i can work on it easily.
Its caused brain fog, depression fatigue all becos of lack of oxygen to my brain.Its incredible...
Some one asked about the zapper..yes its from dr hulda clark book but i just made a simple one with 9v battery and copper pipes...
Are there any facebook groups that any of you belong on that are beneficial to health?
Grateful for my life as simple as it is here is Africa ;-)

Regards
Debbie
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mama to 3 princesses.