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Vaccine Dangers

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:08 pm
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Dear Sheri and everyone on Minutus
I have been asked to give a talk to my local Rotary club about vaccination for early September.
As you may know Rotary International have been instrumental in providing lots of money to promote polio vaccination around the world so I would expect a hostile audience.
May I ask for some help on this one so that I can give a good talk and counter any arguments for vaccination.
TNX
Soroush

Re: Vaccine Dangers

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:39 pm
by vicki h
specifically for polio, there is well documented proof that cases had already declined greatly prior to the first series of vaccinations. the masses had already begun to achieve natural immunizations. so i would research that point.
here is a contact who has a wealth of information about the dangers of vaccination...
Dr. Paul King
http://www.dr-king.com
Founder, FAME Systems

what follows is a response i sent him to one of his press releases about the problem with the current vaccinations schedule. one of his points was the costs to vaccinate the whole vs the potential for helping a minuscule percentage. i agreed with all his objections but took issue with using costs as a reason not to keep the population healthy if it where actually possible thru vaccinations which i do not believe our vaccinations do that anyway. i just don't think we should look at costs as a major factor when evaluating the health of our society. lets first find out how to stay healthy .... THEN, look at how to pay for it. if vaccines cant prove safety nor that they keep people safe, paying for them is irrelevant.
here is what i said,
vicki
here is another way i look at the evils of mixing cost/value into the discussion of public health and safety. i believe it is the main cause of the corruption of the system in the first place...
i believe in the concept of immunization, and vaccination was our attempt to accelerate the immunization of the population. when originally studied and the development of the vaccination theory, the underlying theory was to protect the population from illness by introducing disease in a more benign form so the body could learn how to fight it and develop its own immunization to it in the future.. i believe in the concept that the body was designed to naturally fight off invasion thru the immune system and develop a natural immunity if that specific disease invaded the body again. i also believe immunity can get passed down by the simple act of breast feeding but again, money corrupted that system as well. profit was to be had if they could sell the concept of formula feeding. BUT this concept is based on having a healthy body/immune system that works correctly. in order to have that we need to feed it non toxic, unadulterated food that has all the nutrition the body needs to stay healthy. most importantly to not expose the developing body, immune system, baby to toxins that would compromise the system. this is an area i have HUGE problems with them insisting pregnant women get vaccinations when most specifically state not for children or pregnant women.
so back to the introduction of costs issue. after the development of the vaccination theory and getting the masses to accept and come like a flock of sheep to protect themselves and their children, the issue of making money, BIG MONEY corrupted the system. how can we make this in mass volume at a minimum cost and get it mandated that EVERYONE must get it for the good of the whole. THIS is where/when the toxins got introduced. it was all about the costs involved. drug companies realized the huge potential for profit. if you took out the costs of paying off the government, paying off the doctors, paying off the researchers and laboratories, paying of the media there might be a possibility of making vaccinations that are safe and effective. but at this point i think that is no longer possible at least in my lifetime.
i believe once money, costs, profits, got introduced into the development of vaccinations, that is when the whole system got corrupted.
if we put that kind of money into safe food, safe environment, eliminating toxins, educating people on how to stay healthy instead of medicating sickness it would cost much, much less for everyone.
again, i understand your explanation of why you added costs to your objections but i believe once you introduce monetary costs into the equation you corrupt the underlying purpose of health care. btw, here, we do not typically have health care but disease management. if we truly had health care we could all afford to stay healthy and medicine would revert back to a more homeopathic philosophy. give the body what it needs to heal itself.
jmo,
vicki
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From: "finrod@finrod.co.uk"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Vaccine Dangers
Dear Sheri and everyone on Minutus
I have been asked to give a talk to my local Rotary club about vaccination for early September.
As you may know Rotary International have been instrumental in providing lots of money to promote polio vaccination around the world so I would expect a hostile audience.
May I ask for some help on this one so that I can give a good talk and counter any arguments for vaccination.
TNX
Soroush

Re: Vaccine Dangers

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:22 pm
by Sheri Nakken
oh, tough! Rotary club
I just did a radio interview yesterday and you might get some ideas from that, if you have time to listen to it

Starts at 30 minutes 16 seconds in archived show

I was on Andrew Sholly's blogradio talking about Vaccine Dangers
It is archived here - Start at 30 minutes 16 seconds
here is the link
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sholman/20 ... eri-nakken
click on area below the video area
"play on your default player"
and then queue up to 30 minutes & 16 seconds for my interview

I also address the polio issue in the interview

Sheri
At 06:08 AM 7/24/2012, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases
Next classes start July 12

Re: Vaccine Dangers

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:06 pm
by Tanya Marquette
Two other points which may seem contradictory:
1. Most, if not all cases of DX polio AFTER the vaccine were from the vaccine itself.
2. Polio symptoms are a syndrome that crop up in societies periodically and receive
different names; ie, flacid paralysis or various forms of meningities when not
there is no clear cause.
You might also talk about the polio vaccine being looked upon as the holy grail for
vaccines since no other vaccine has ever been proven safe or effective and all the
alleged research gets shown to be prejudiced. The majority of cases of measles,
whooping cough, etc are in people/children who have been vaccinated for those
diseases. Thus immunity is not created or conferred by the vaccine. However,
the polio vaccine currently in India is causing dramatic reactions of polio and death.
In Pakistan the MSM is blaming CIA faux pas for the refusal of people to vaccinate,
but I would suspect that it is the enforcement and the ensuing illness that are
causing the backlash along with the CIA involvement.
Just some thoughts for you to think about.
t
From: vicki h
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:39 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Vaccine Dangers

specifically for polio, there is well documented proof that cases had already declined greatly prior to the first series of vaccinations. the masses had already begun to achieve natural immunizations. so i would research that point.
here is a contact who has a wealth of information about the dangers of vaccination...
Dr. Paul King
http://www.dr-king.com
Founder, FAME Systems

what follows is a response i sent him to one of his press releases about the problem with the current vaccinations schedule. one of his points was the costs to vaccinate the whole vs the potential for helping a minuscule percentage. i agreed with all his objections but took issue with using costs as a reason not to keep the population healthy if it where actually possible thru vaccinations which i do not believe our vaccinations do that anyway. i just don't think we should look at costs as a major factor when evaluating the health of our society. lets first find out how to stay healthy .... THEN, look at how to pay for it. if vaccines cant prove safety nor that they keep people safe, paying for them is irrelevant.
here is what i said,
vicki
here is another way i look at the evils of mixing cost/value into the discussion of public health and safety. i believe it is the main cause of the corruption of the system in the first place...
i believe in the concept of immunization, and vaccination was our attempt to accelerate the immunization of the population. when originally studied and the development of the vaccination theory, the underlying theory was to protect the population from illness by introducing disease in a more benign form so the body could learn how to fight it and develop its own immunization to it in the future.. i believe in the concept that the body was designed to naturally fight off invasion thru the immune system and develop a natural immunity if that specific disease invaded the body again. i also believe immunity can get passed down by the simple act of breast feeding but again, money corrupted that system as well. profit was to be had if they could sell the concept of formula feeding. BUT this concept is based on having a healthy body/immune system that works correctly. in order to have that we need to feed it non toxic, unadulterated food that has all the nutrition the body needs to stay healthy. most importantly to not expose the developing body, immune system, baby to toxins that would compromise the system. this is an area i have HUGE problems with them insisting pregnant women get vaccinations when most specifically state not for children or pregnant women.
so back to the introduction of costs issue. after the development of the vaccination theory and getting the masses to accept and come like a flock of sheep to protect themselves and their children, the issue of making money, BIG MONEY corrupted the system. how can we make this in mass volume at a minimum cost and get it mandated that EVERYONE must get it for the good of the whole. THIS is where/when the toxins got introduced. it was all about the costs involved. drug companies realized the huge potential for profit. if you took out the costs of paying off the government, paying off the doctors, paying off the researchers and laboratories, paying of the media there might be a possibility of making vaccinations that are safe and effective. but at this point i think that is no longer possible at least in my lifetime.
i believe once money, costs, profits, got introduced into the development of vaccinations, that is when the whole system got corrupted.
if we put that kind of money into safe food, safe environment, eliminating toxins, educating people on how to stay healthy instead of medicating sickness it would cost much, much less for everyone.
again, i understand your explanation of why you added costs to your objections but i believe once you introduce monetary costs into the equation you corrupt the underlying purpose of health care. btw, here, we do not typically have health care but disease management. if we truly had health care we could all afford to stay healthy and medicine would revert back to a more homeopathic philosophy. give the body what it needs to heal itself.
jmo,
vicki
"Gluten Free Yummies"
www.GlutenFreeYummies.com

888-Yo-Yummy

________________________________

From: "finrod@finrod.co.uk"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Vaccine Dangers

Dear Sheri and everyone on Minutus
I have been asked to give a talk to my local Rotary club about vaccination for early September.
As you may know Rotary International have been instrumental in providing lots of money to promote polio vaccination around the world so I would expect a hostile audience.
May I ask for some help on this one so that I can give a good talk and counter any arguments for vaccination.
TNX
Soroush