Dear Friends,
Can you discover the memory of alcohol rather than the memory of water to prove the scientific magic of homeopathy ???
The Memory of Water vs. the Memory of Alcohol— Authenticated by Theory of Reasonings
Much has been thought & researched; as consequence, invented and much has been written & discussed regarding the water as well as the water contained in homeopathic medicine. It had been invented by French Nobel Laureate Physicist, Late Dr. Jacques Beneveniste in 1988 & his finding had been published in the world’s most reputed scientific journal ‘The Nature’ that “Water has the most capacity to retain the memory of molecules once contained therein. It also suggests that under certain circumstances, water is capable of transferring the information to the other water not carrying the information, by electric means. This ‘memory’ remains stable, because of vigorous shaking or stirring at successive dilutions, indicates that ‘memory’ is by no means static, relies upon the dynamic, perhaps a collectively quantum excitation of water molecules that has a high degree of stability”. And likewise the water contained in homeopathic remedies plays the role of releasing the energy of substances from which medicines are prepared. This finding has been supported by US leading scientist Dr. Rustom Roy and French Nobel Laureate Virologist Prof. Luc Montagnier. Now this finding is also controversial, and probably any homeopath with a rational mind can not accept it as a true scientific discovery.
I am not a physicist, chemist or scientist but a follower & practitioner of homeopathy. My minute i.e. very small head also should accept their theory and cannot fight against these gigantic heads or cannot join the opposition to this finding. But my minute head occasionally ails me to accept their invention. It leads me to think that most frequently a minutest dose of homeopathic remedies can better heal than a large dose of allopathic remedies! But I don’t claim myself that my intellectuality has been potentized in a homeopathic pharmacy & as consequence it releases better power of the most accurate thinking than that of them. My infinitesimal head & a little dose of intellectuality find the following reasons why it cannot welcome the scientific explanation of these gigantic heads:--
1. Homeopathic Pharmacy:
The Fifty Millesimal Potency does contain no water at all. The dilution contains 100% ethyl alcohol. Only the mother potency i.e 3c of Fifty Millesimal Potency & the first step to make LM/1 (400 drops of water & 100 drops of alcohol) contains water. After that only alcohol is used in serial dilution. The homeopathic remedies, therefore, becomes so powerful because of the memory of water or that of alcohol?
LM potency becomes highly energetic than Centesimal potency because of the higher percentage of alcohol and becomes milder in action because of high dilution ratio in serial dilutions.
2. Sucussion in Prescribed Dilution:
When we prescribe LM potency for the patients, the remedy is shaken 10 times before taking every dose & is taken 8 or 10 doses, and the prescribed dilution generally contains 1% alcohol or less. After taking 8 or 10 doses of the remedy, the prescribed dilution is succussed 80 or 100 times totally. On the other hand, in serial dilution of Fifty Millesimal Potency 100 times is succussed to prepare a subsequent potency. In both dilution (prescribed & serial), the remedy is succussed 100 times, but the energy level of medicine of both dilution does not reach to the same level of successive energy. If the successive energy level of prescribed dilution reached to that of the serial dilution, the patient would die or there would create incurable medicinal disease because of very large dose. Of this, there is no doubt that aquatic molecules does not play any role in the preparation of remedies, for the remedy (LM potency) of serial dilution is taken only one part of 3000—35000 of one drop as a dose (applied by Hahnemann)! On the other hand, the remedy of prescribed dilution of LM potency (the comparison is made to the last doses) is taken completely 1—5 drops.
Again, if we compare the prescribed solution of LM Potency and the serial dilution of Centesimal Potency (which contains 20 or 30% alcohol), we observe that to make the subsequent Centesimal Potency, 10 succussions are needed and to make the subsequent 10th Potency 100 succussions are needed and dilution ratio reaches to 1: 10010 . On the other hand, when the 10th dose (last dose) of the prescribed dilution of LM potency is taken, the dilution ratio remains unchanged and 100 succussions are performed but the remedy acts mildly, for dilution contains a very little amount ( 1% or less)of alcohol.
We can, therefore, conclude that water molecules do not play any role or play very trifle role in making homeopathic remedies.
3. Sucussion:
The aim of sucussing the solution in the preparation of homeopathic remedies is to make the collusion of the molecules present in the solution. When only water is succussed in a vial, it does not run so quickly, as consequence, less collusion happens in the solution/vial. If a few drops of alcohol are added to the solution & succussed, it runs much faster (as alcohol has lower viscosity & surface tension) than the solution containing water only. If only alcohol is succussed, it also runs much much faster than the alcohol/water solution. It is, therefore, observed that the solution of water only in homeopathically remedial preparation is much less dominant than that of alcohol only, or alcohol plus water.
4. Sucussion & the Level of Disease:
At which level of diseases CM potency attacks, LM/20 potency or its near potencies attack on the same level of diseases as it is practically observes. To prepare CM potency 10,00000 succussions (theoretically, but practically 40,00000 succussions are needed as it is succussed 40 times in each step in homeopathic pharmacy) are needed; on the other hand, to prepare LM/20 potency only 2000 succussions (both practically & theoretically) are needed. So, it is observed that the Fifty Millesimal Potency becomes much more powerful than the Centesimal Potency because of the greater percentage of alcohol in LM Potency compared to that of Centisimal Potency. The credit of being so energetic the homeopathic remedies, therefore, incontestably goes to the alcoholic molecules, not to the aquatic molecules.
5. Research Finding:
Research undertaken at the Royal London Homeopathic Hospital in 1980, showed that, in some cases, the therapeutic activity of potencies prepared in water alone from fresh plant material was dissipated in as long as 9 hours. On the other hand, the therapeutic activity of homeopathic medicines (medicated potencies) contained only alcohol remains 25-30 years or more if the remedies are reserved homeopathically.
6. My Clinical Experience (this is a part of my research on miasms):
On September, 2001 at the age of 18, I took one pill (dry dose) of 6 forty number pills which were moistened by one drop of Psorinum C.M (the medicine contains 90% alcohol). The result I observed was ringworm like eruptions on both groin regions and sticky juice & very offensive odour from it which I had to wash 4 or 5 times every day and my otalgia & stomach pain reduced but sex increased a lot. Then I realized that there was latent psora in my body. Seven days later I diluted one pill from there in half dram of water (no alcohol was added), succussed 10 times and swallowed the whole solution. This time I also got the aforementioned result. Thus I continued until fifth week, diluted one pill every time in same amount of water and succussed 20, 30, 40 times consecutively. In the 6th week, I diluted the last pill & succussed 50 times and swallowed. This time no ringworm, sticky juice and offensive odour emitted. Then in the 7th week I moistened 8 pills with one drop of the remedy and diluted one pill in half dram of water, succussed 60 times and swallowed. At this ringworm & sticky juice began to emit again. At this time I realized that I had to decrease the quantity of medicine I diluted in the water solution. In the 8th week, I moistened 10 pills with one drop of Psorinum CM and I diluted one pill, succussed 70 times and swallowed. The subsequent doses/dilutions I succussed were like these —80, 90, --- 200, 225, ---, 275, 300, ---- ----, 850, 900, 950, ---, -----, 2000, 2100, 2200, --- and the last dilutions I succussed 4200, 4300, 4400 times. The subsequent dilutions I made were mixed with 1/16th, 1/20th, -- ------, 1/24th, ----- ---1/36th, ------1/48th of one drop of Psorinum CM and the last dilution was made with1/64th of one drop. Thus I continued 3 years and 6 months! The last time I succussed was 4400 times (all the times by my hands only)! The last dilution I made from 1/64th of one drop. All the times I diluted the remedy in the same amount of water (half dram) and no alcohol was added.
All the dilutions (these dilutions were not like the serial dilution of the homeopathic potentization) I made were the water solution mixed with the 1/6th,---- 1/6th, -----,1/8th,------- 1/8th,------ 1/10th,------1/10th,------ 1/12th,----- 1/12th , ------- 1/24th,------ 1/24th , ----- 1/36th,------1/36th , ------- 1/48th ,------ 1/48th ,----- and 1/64th----- 1/64th of one drop of Psorinum CM (90% alcohol) and succussed 10,20,30,------ and 4400 times consecutively. All the doses I took acted mildly and very effectively as mentioned before. (NB. But it also provided me lots, lots of suffering because of attacking the hidden Psora. All the hidden miasms and diseases began to manifest. I had to manage the case by many other remedies as well.)
If the water molecules had released the electro-magnetic/magnetic energy like alcoholic molecules, I would have died more than one hundred times, for the dilutions were only succussed and no serial dilution was performed i.e. there was no reduction of volume of medicinal solution. But it is also true that aquatic molecules release some magnetic energy when succussed and it is very very very less compared to that of alcoholic molecules. The durability of holding this energy of the aquatic molecules is also very very very less than that of the alcoholic molecules.
It is known to us from the primitive age that the magnetic power is produced by the collusion of two substances. Similarly, in case of the preparation of homeopathic remedies, the vial is succussed strongly & during succussion, there is strong collusion among the alcoholic or alcoholic/aquatic molecules. By this collusion, magnetic power is produced and alcoholic molecules hold this power because of having their high degree of stability and make it stable for many many years. During succussion, the molecules of medicinal/inert substances are mixed with the molecules of alcohol and release their inner & latent medicinal quality by magnetic means. The alcoholic molecules hold this medicinal quality and make it stable.
In case of successive dilution, the medicinal quality is transferred to every subsequent dilution and through progressive succussion, more and more magnetic energy is produced, as consequence, the remedies become increasingly powerful. Every serial dilution (where the quantity of previously energetic molecules is reduced) makes the magnetic & medicinal energy milder and milder, but does not reduce the previous level of magnetic energy where it already reaches to and succussion during every subsequent dilution makes the solution increasingly energetic than the previous degree of energy of the previous potency.
If the medicinal solution were succussed only and no serial dilution were performed, the remedies would be much much much more aggressive in action, which would be too much much much injurious to health.
In conclusion, I would say:
1. Both water and alcohol have memory.
2. Water has very forgetful memory which cannot stabilize the medicinal quality of a substance permanently.
3. Alcohol has the long lasting or everlasting and the highest degree of memory.
4. Alcoholic molecules play the vital role in preparing the remedy.
5. Aquatic molecules play very trifle role in preparing the remedy.
6. Homoeopathic remedies become energetic by magnetic energy.
7. Magnetic energy is produced by the collusion of alcoholic or aquatic molecules or the molecules of any other substances through succussion.
8. Alcoholic molecules produce much much much more magnetic power than aquatic molecules or those of any other liquid substances because of having the low viscosity & low surface tension of alcohol.
9. Alcoholic molecules hold the magnetic power and make it stable permanently.
10. Aquatic molecules cannot hold the magnetic power and not make it stable.
11. Magnetic energy releases the subtle energy of an inert substance.
12. Magnetic energy enhances the medicinal quality of any substance.
13. Alcoholic molecules produce much much much more magnetic power than aquatic molecules because of having the low viscosity & low surface tension of alcohol.
14. Only the alcoholic solution of serial dilutions produces the highest degree of magnetic energy & have the highest degree of durability of magnetic energy.
15. Both alcohol and water solution of serial dilutions produces the median or less than median degree of magnetic energy & has the median level of durability.
16. Only water solution of serial dilutions produces the lowest degree of magnetic energy and durability.
17. Serial dilution makes the remedies milder through the reduction of the medicinal volume and transfers the medicinal quality from one solution to another solution.
18. Progressive succusion makes the remedies increasingly energetic.
From the above-mentioned reasonings ‘the memory of water’ can not be accepted in homeopathy at all, but it is also true that the memory of water is a true indication of the memory of alcohol. If Dr. Jaques Beneveniste had discovered the memory of alcohol rather than the memory of water by the similar scientific base & explanation, without any doubt it would have been accepted as a true scientific discovery. Physicists, chemists or scientists, therefore, had better research on the characteristics of the molecules of ethyl alcohol; as without alcohol, homeopathic remedies are not prepared; but without water, homeopathic remedies ( Fifty Millesimal Potency) are prepared; and the remedies which are prepared from the alcohol only release much much more energy than those prepared from the water & alcohol ( Centesimal Potency). They should find out something like ‘the memory of alcohol’, which can be accepted reasonably, rationally, scientifically & universally.
Warm Regards,
Tapas Barai, DIHom, HP, FBIH, HMD (on study)
The Memory of Water vs. the Memory of Alcohol
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John Harvey
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Re: The Memory of Water vs. the Memory of Alcohol
You could be right, and it may explain why some labs successfully reproduce Ennis's experiment and others don't: the time lapse may be too long in some cases. But are you sure that these Q potencies are 100% alcohol? In any case, they'll contain a trace of atmospheric water. Certainly, though, alcohol was found to lengthen the time for which potency was detectable without further succussion.
And on the other hand, I've seen potencies that could contain only a trace of alcohol appear to be medicinally active after longer than nine hours. A trace may be enough, though.
One thing in relation to your point 5: if potency was tested (I'm unsure what you mean by "therapeutic activity"; it would be difficult to gauge a medicine's biological activity without a fair sample of patients) without a recent succussion, it could be undetectable. It becomes quiescent to the point of indetectabilty after a fraction of a second (without the inclusion of alcohol) but is restored by further succussion.
Cheers --
John
Dear Friends,
Can you discover the memory of alcohol rather than the memory of water to prove the scientific magic of homeopathy ???
The Memory of Water vs. the Memory of Alcohol— Authenticated by Theory of Reasonings
Much has been thought & researched; as consequence, invented and much has been written & discussed regarding the water as well as the water contained in homeopathic medicine. It had been invented by French Nobel Laureate Physicist, Late Dr. Jacques Beneveniste in 1988 & his finding had been published in the world’s most reputed scientific journal ‘The Nature’ that “Water has the most capacity to retain the memory of molecules once contained therein. It also suggests that under certain circumstances, water is capable of transferring the information to the other water not carrying the information, by electric means. This ‘memory’ remains stable, because of vigorous shaking or stirring at successive dilutions, indicates that ‘memory’ is by no means static, relies upon the dynamic, perhaps a collectively quantum excitation of water molecules that has a high degree of stability”. And likewise the water contained in homeopathic remedies plays the role of releasing the energy of substances from which medicines are prepared. This finding has been supported by US leading scientist Dr. Rustom Roy and French Nobel Laureate Virologist Prof. Luc Montagnier. Now this finding is also controversial, and probably any homeopath with a rational mind can not accept it as a true scientific discovery.
I am not a physicist, chemist or scientist but a follower & practitioner of homeopathy. My minute i.e. very small head also should accept their theory and cannot fight against these gigantic heads or cannot join the opposition to this finding. But my minute head occasionally ails me to accept their invention. It leads me to think that most frequently a minutest dose of homeopathic remedies can better heal than a large dose of allopathic remedies! But I don’t claim myself that my intellectuality has been potentized in a homeopathic pharmacy & as consequence it releases better power of the most accurate thinking than that of them. My infinitesimal head & a little dose of intellectuality find the following reasons why it cannot welcome the scientific explanation of these gigantic heads:--
1. Homeopathic Pharmacy:
The Fifty Millesimal Potency does contain no water at all. The dilution contains 100% ethyl alcohol. Only the mother potency i.e 3c of Fifty Millesimal Potency & the first step to make LM/1 (400 drops of water & 100 drops of alcohol) contains water. After that only alcohol is used in serial dilution. The homeopathic remedies, therefore, becomes so powerful because of the memory of water or that of alcohol?
LM potency becomes highly energetic than Centesimal potency because of the higher percentage of alcohol and becomes milder in action because of high dilution ratio in serial dilutions.
2. Sucussion in Prescribed Dilution:
When we prescribe LM potency for the patients, the remedy is shaken 10 times before taking every dose & is taken 8 or 10 doses, and the prescribed dilution generally contains 1% alcohol or less. After taking 8 or 10 doses of the remedy, the prescribed dilution is succussed 80 or 100 times totally. On the other hand, in serial dilution of Fifty Millesimal Potency 100 times is succussed to prepare a subsequent potency. In both dilution (prescribed & serial), the remedy is succussed 100 times, but the energy level of medicine of both dilution does not reach to the same level of successive energy. If the successive energy level of prescribed dilution reached to that of the serial dilution, the patient would die or there would create incurable medicinal disease because of very large dose. Of this, there is no doubt that aquatic molecules does not play any role in the preparation of remedies, for the remedy (LM potency) of serial dilution is taken only one part of 3000—35000 of one drop as a dose (applied by Hahnemann)! On the other hand, the remedy of prescribed dilution of LM potency (the comparison is made to the last doses) is taken completely 1—5 drops.
Again, if we compare the prescribed solution of LM Potency and the serial dilution of Centesimal Potency (which contains 20 or 30% alcohol), we observe that to make the subsequent Centesimal Potency, 10 succussions are needed and to make the subsequent 10th Potency 100 succussions are needed and dilution ratio reaches to 1: 10010 . On the other hand, when the 10th dose (last dose) of the prescribed dilution of LM potency is taken, the dilution ratio remains unchanged and 100 succussions are performed but the remedy acts mildly, for dilution contains a very little amount ( 1% or less)of alcohol.
We can, therefore, conclude that water molecules do not play any role or play very trifle role in making homeopathic remedies.
3. Sucussion:
The aim of sucussing the solution in the preparation of homeopathic remedies is to make the collusion of the molecules present in the solution. When only water is succussed in a vial, it does not run so quickly, as consequence, less collusion happens in the solution/vial. If a few drops of alcohol are added to the solution & succussed, it runs much faster (as alcohol has lower viscosity & surface tension) than the solution containing water only. If only alcohol is succussed, it also runs much much faster than the alcohol/water solution. It is, therefore, observed that the solution of water only in homeopathically remedial preparation is much less dominant than that of alcohol only, or alcohol plus water.
4. Sucussion & the Level of Disease:
At which level of diseases CM potency attacks, LM/20 potency or its near potencies attack on the same level of diseases as it is practically observes. To prepare CM potency 10,00000 succussions (theoretically, but practically 40,00000 succussions are needed as it is succussed 40 times in each step in homeopathic pharmacy) are needed; on the other hand, to prepare LM/20 potency only 2000 succussions (both practically & theoretically) are needed. So, it is observed that the Fifty Millesimal Potency becomes much more powerful than the Centesimal Potency because of the greater percentage of alcohol in LM Potency compared to that of Centisimal Potency. The credit of being so energetic the homeopathic remedies, therefore, incontestably goes to the alcoholic molecules, not to the aquatic molecules.
5. Research Finding:
Research undertaken at the Royal London Homeopathic Hospital in 1980, showed that, in some cases, the therapeutic activity of potencies prepared in water alone from fresh plant material was dissipated in as long as 9 hours. On the other hand, the therapeutic activity of homeopathic medicines (medicated potencies) contained only alcohol remains 25-30 years or more if the remedies are reserved homeopathically.
And on the other hand, I've seen potencies that could contain only a trace of alcohol appear to be medicinally active after longer than nine hours. A trace may be enough, though.
One thing in relation to your point 5: if potency was tested (I'm unsure what you mean by "therapeutic activity"; it would be difficult to gauge a medicine's biological activity without a fair sample of patients) without a recent succussion, it could be undetectable. It becomes quiescent to the point of indetectabilty after a fraction of a second (without the inclusion of alcohol) but is restored by further succussion.
Cheers --
John
Dear Friends,
Can you discover the memory of alcohol rather than the memory of water to prove the scientific magic of homeopathy ???
The Memory of Water vs. the Memory of Alcohol— Authenticated by Theory of Reasonings
Much has been thought & researched; as consequence, invented and much has been written & discussed regarding the water as well as the water contained in homeopathic medicine. It had been invented by French Nobel Laureate Physicist, Late Dr. Jacques Beneveniste in 1988 & his finding had been published in the world’s most reputed scientific journal ‘The Nature’ that “Water has the most capacity to retain the memory of molecules once contained therein. It also suggests that under certain circumstances, water is capable of transferring the information to the other water not carrying the information, by electric means. This ‘memory’ remains stable, because of vigorous shaking or stirring at successive dilutions, indicates that ‘memory’ is by no means static, relies upon the dynamic, perhaps a collectively quantum excitation of water molecules that has a high degree of stability”. And likewise the water contained in homeopathic remedies plays the role of releasing the energy of substances from which medicines are prepared. This finding has been supported by US leading scientist Dr. Rustom Roy and French Nobel Laureate Virologist Prof. Luc Montagnier. Now this finding is also controversial, and probably any homeopath with a rational mind can not accept it as a true scientific discovery.
I am not a physicist, chemist or scientist but a follower & practitioner of homeopathy. My minute i.e. very small head also should accept their theory and cannot fight against these gigantic heads or cannot join the opposition to this finding. But my minute head occasionally ails me to accept their invention. It leads me to think that most frequently a minutest dose of homeopathic remedies can better heal than a large dose of allopathic remedies! But I don’t claim myself that my intellectuality has been potentized in a homeopathic pharmacy & as consequence it releases better power of the most accurate thinking than that of them. My infinitesimal head & a little dose of intellectuality find the following reasons why it cannot welcome the scientific explanation of these gigantic heads:--
1. Homeopathic Pharmacy:
The Fifty Millesimal Potency does contain no water at all. The dilution contains 100% ethyl alcohol. Only the mother potency i.e 3c of Fifty Millesimal Potency & the first step to make LM/1 (400 drops of water & 100 drops of alcohol) contains water. After that only alcohol is used in serial dilution. The homeopathic remedies, therefore, becomes so powerful because of the memory of water or that of alcohol?
LM potency becomes highly energetic than Centesimal potency because of the higher percentage of alcohol and becomes milder in action because of high dilution ratio in serial dilutions.
2. Sucussion in Prescribed Dilution:
When we prescribe LM potency for the patients, the remedy is shaken 10 times before taking every dose & is taken 8 or 10 doses, and the prescribed dilution generally contains 1% alcohol or less. After taking 8 or 10 doses of the remedy, the prescribed dilution is succussed 80 or 100 times totally. On the other hand, in serial dilution of Fifty Millesimal Potency 100 times is succussed to prepare a subsequent potency. In both dilution (prescribed & serial), the remedy is succussed 100 times, but the energy level of medicine of both dilution does not reach to the same level of successive energy. If the successive energy level of prescribed dilution reached to that of the serial dilution, the patient would die or there would create incurable medicinal disease because of very large dose. Of this, there is no doubt that aquatic molecules does not play any role in the preparation of remedies, for the remedy (LM potency) of serial dilution is taken only one part of 3000—35000 of one drop as a dose (applied by Hahnemann)! On the other hand, the remedy of prescribed dilution of LM potency (the comparison is made to the last doses) is taken completely 1—5 drops.
Again, if we compare the prescribed solution of LM Potency and the serial dilution of Centesimal Potency (which contains 20 or 30% alcohol), we observe that to make the subsequent Centesimal Potency, 10 succussions are needed and to make the subsequent 10th Potency 100 succussions are needed and dilution ratio reaches to 1: 10010 . On the other hand, when the 10th dose (last dose) of the prescribed dilution of LM potency is taken, the dilution ratio remains unchanged and 100 succussions are performed but the remedy acts mildly, for dilution contains a very little amount ( 1% or less)of alcohol.
We can, therefore, conclude that water molecules do not play any role or play very trifle role in making homeopathic remedies.
3. Sucussion:
The aim of sucussing the solution in the preparation of homeopathic remedies is to make the collusion of the molecules present in the solution. When only water is succussed in a vial, it does not run so quickly, as consequence, less collusion happens in the solution/vial. If a few drops of alcohol are added to the solution & succussed, it runs much faster (as alcohol has lower viscosity & surface tension) than the solution containing water only. If only alcohol is succussed, it also runs much much faster than the alcohol/water solution. It is, therefore, observed that the solution of water only in homeopathically remedial preparation is much less dominant than that of alcohol only, or alcohol plus water.
4. Sucussion & the Level of Disease:
At which level of diseases CM potency attacks, LM/20 potency or its near potencies attack on the same level of diseases as it is practically observes. To prepare CM potency 10,00000 succussions (theoretically, but practically 40,00000 succussions are needed as it is succussed 40 times in each step in homeopathic pharmacy) are needed; on the other hand, to prepare LM/20 potency only 2000 succussions (both practically & theoretically) are needed. So, it is observed that the Fifty Millesimal Potency becomes much more powerful than the Centesimal Potency because of the greater percentage of alcohol in LM Potency compared to that of Centisimal Potency. The credit of being so energetic the homeopathic remedies, therefore, incontestably goes to the alcoholic molecules, not to the aquatic molecules.
5. Research Finding:
Research undertaken at the Royal London Homeopathic Hospital in 1980, showed that, in some cases, the therapeutic activity of potencies prepared in water alone from fresh plant material was dissipated in as long as 9 hours. On the other hand, the therapeutic activity of homeopathic medicines (medicated potencies) contained only alcohol remains 25-30 years or more if the remedies are reserved homeopathically.
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Re: The Memory of Water vs. the Memory of Alcohol
Dear John,
Why not. Q/LM potencies contain 100% alcohol. Plz. have a look at aph. 270, Organon.
Therapeutic activity implies remedial action in curing diseases.
Thanks,
Tapas
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, John Harvey wrote:
Dear Friends,
Can you discover the memory of alcohol rather than the memory of water to prove the scientific magic of homeopathy ???
The Memory of Water vs. the Memory of Alcohol— Authenticated by Theory of Reasonings
Much has been thought & researched; as consequence, invented and much has been written & discussed regarding the water as well as the water contained in homeopathic medicine. It had been invented by French Nobel Laureate Physicist, Late Dr. Jacques Beneveniste in 1988 & his finding had been published in the world’s most reputed scientific journal ‘The Nature’ that “Water has the most capacity to retain the memory of molecules once contained therein. It also suggests that under certain circumstances, water is capable of transferring the information to the other water not carrying the information, by electric means. This ‘memory’ remains stable, because of vigorous shaking or stirring at successive dilutions, indicates that ‘memory’ is by no means static, relies upon the dynamic, perhaps a collectively quantum excitation of water molecules that has a high degree of stability”. And likewise the water contained in homeopathic remedies plays the role of releasing the energy of substances from which medicines are prepared. This finding has been supported by US leading scientist Dr. Rustom Roy and French Nobel Laureate Virologist Prof. Luc Montagnier. Now this finding is also controversial, and probably any homeopath with a rational mind can not accept it as a true scientific discovery.
I am not a physicist, chemist or scientist but a follower & practitioner of homeopathy. My minute i.e. very small head also should accept their theory and cannot fight against these gigantic heads or cannot join the opposition to this finding. But my minute head occasionally ails me to accept their invention. It leads me to think that most frequently a minutest dose of homeopathic remedies can better heal than a large dose of allopathic remedies! But I don’t claim myself that my intellectuality has been potentized in a homeopathic pharmacy & as consequence it releases better power of the most accurate thinking than that of them. My infinitesimal head & a little dose of intellectuality find the following reasons why it cannot welcome the scientific explanation of these gigantic heads:--
1. Homeopathic Pharmacy:
The Fifty Millesimal Potency does contain no water at all. The dilution contains 100% ethyl alcohol. Only the mother potency i.e 3c of Fifty Millesimal Potency & the first step to make LM/1 (400 drops of water & 100 drops of alcohol) contains water. After that only alcohol is used in serial dilution. The homeopathic remedies, therefore, becomes so powerful because of the memory of water or that of alcohol?
LM potency becomes highly energetic than Centesimal potency because of the higher percentage of alcohol and becomes milder in action because of high dilution ratio in serial dilutions.
2. Sucussion in Prescribed Dilution:
When we prescribe LM potency for the patients, the remedy is shaken 10 times before taking every dose & is taken 8 or 10 doses, and the prescribed dilution generally contains 1% alcohol or less. After taking 8 or 10 doses of the remedy, the prescribed dilution is succussed 80 or 100 times totally. On the other hand, in serial dilution of Fifty Millesimal Potency 100 times is succussed to prepare a subsequent potency. In both dilution (prescribed & serial), the remedy is succussed 100 times, but the energy level of medicine of both dilution does not reach to the same level of successive energy. If the successive energy level of prescribed dilution reached to that of the serial dilution, the patient would die or there would create incurable medicinal disease because of very large dose. Of this, there is no doubt that aquatic molecules does not play any role in the preparation of remedies, for the remedy (LM potency) of serial dilution is taken only one part of 3000—35000 of one drop as a dose (applied by Hahnemann)! On the other hand, the remedy of prescribed dilution of LM potency (the comparison is made to the last doses) is taken completely 1—5 drops.
Again, if we compare the prescribed solution of LM Potency and the serial dilution of Centesimal Potency (which contains 20 or 30% alcohol), we observe that to make the subsequent Centesimal Potency, 10 succussions are needed and to make the subsequent 10th Potency 100 succussions are needed and dilution ratio reaches to 1: 10010 . On the other hand, when the 10th dose (last dose) of the prescribed dilution of LM potency is taken, the dilution ratio remains unchanged and 100 succussions are performed but the remedy acts mildly, for dilution contains a very little amount ( 1% or less)of alcohol.
We can, therefore, conclude that water molecules do not play any role or play very trifle role in making homeopathic remedies.
3. Sucussion:
The aim of sucussing the solution in the preparation of homeopathic remedies is to make the collusion of the molecules present in the solution. When only water is succussed in a vial, it does not run so quickly, as consequence, less collusion happens in the solution/vial. If a few drops of alcohol are added to the solution & succussed, it runs much faster (as alcohol has lower viscosity & surface tension) than the solution containing water only. If only alcohol is succussed, it also runs much much faster than the alcohol/water solution. It is, therefore, observed that the solution of water only in homeopathically remedial preparation is much less dominant than that of alcohol only, or alcohol plus water.
4. Sucussion & the Level of Disease:
At which level of diseases CM potency attacks, LM/20 potency or its near potencies attack on the same level of diseases as it is practically observes. To prepare CM potency 10,00000 succussions (theoretically, but practically 40,00000 succussions are needed as it is succussed 40 times in each step in homeopathic pharmacy) are needed; on the other hand, to prepare LM/20 potency only 2000 succussions (both practically & theoretically) are needed. So, it is observed that the Fifty Millesimal Potency becomes much more powerful than the Centesimal Potency because of the greater percentage of alcohol in LM Potency compared to that of Centisimal Potency. The credit of being so energetic the homeopathic remedies, therefore, incontestably goes to the alcoholic molecules, not to the aquatic molecules.
5. Research Finding:
Research undertaken at the Royal London Homeopathic Hospital in 1980, showed that, in some cases, the therapeutic activity of potencies prepared in water alone from fresh plant material was dissipated in as long as 9 hours. On the other hand, the therapeutic activity of homeopathic medicines (medicated potencies) contained only alcohol remains 25-30 years or more if the remedies are reserved homeopathically.
Why not. Q/LM potencies contain 100% alcohol. Plz. have a look at aph. 270, Organon.
Therapeutic activity implies remedial action in curing diseases.
Thanks,
Tapas
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, John Harvey wrote:
Dear Friends,
Can you discover the memory of alcohol rather than the memory of water to prove the scientific magic of homeopathy ???
The Memory of Water vs. the Memory of Alcohol— Authenticated by Theory of Reasonings
Much has been thought & researched; as consequence, invented and much has been written & discussed regarding the water as well as the water contained in homeopathic medicine. It had been invented by French Nobel Laureate Physicist, Late Dr. Jacques Beneveniste in 1988 & his finding had been published in the world’s most reputed scientific journal ‘The Nature’ that “Water has the most capacity to retain the memory of molecules once contained therein. It also suggests that under certain circumstances, water is capable of transferring the information to the other water not carrying the information, by electric means. This ‘memory’ remains stable, because of vigorous shaking or stirring at successive dilutions, indicates that ‘memory’ is by no means static, relies upon the dynamic, perhaps a collectively quantum excitation of water molecules that has a high degree of stability”. And likewise the water contained in homeopathic remedies plays the role of releasing the energy of substances from which medicines are prepared. This finding has been supported by US leading scientist Dr. Rustom Roy and French Nobel Laureate Virologist Prof. Luc Montagnier. Now this finding is also controversial, and probably any homeopath with a rational mind can not accept it as a true scientific discovery.
I am not a physicist, chemist or scientist but a follower & practitioner of homeopathy. My minute i.e. very small head also should accept their theory and cannot fight against these gigantic heads or cannot join the opposition to this finding. But my minute head occasionally ails me to accept their invention. It leads me to think that most frequently a minutest dose of homeopathic remedies can better heal than a large dose of allopathic remedies! But I don’t claim myself that my intellectuality has been potentized in a homeopathic pharmacy & as consequence it releases better power of the most accurate thinking than that of them. My infinitesimal head & a little dose of intellectuality find the following reasons why it cannot welcome the scientific explanation of these gigantic heads:--
1. Homeopathic Pharmacy:
The Fifty Millesimal Potency does contain no water at all. The dilution contains 100% ethyl alcohol. Only the mother potency i.e 3c of Fifty Millesimal Potency & the first step to make LM/1 (400 drops of water & 100 drops of alcohol) contains water. After that only alcohol is used in serial dilution. The homeopathic remedies, therefore, becomes so powerful because of the memory of water or that of alcohol?
LM potency becomes highly energetic than Centesimal potency because of the higher percentage of alcohol and becomes milder in action because of high dilution ratio in serial dilutions.
2. Sucussion in Prescribed Dilution:
When we prescribe LM potency for the patients, the remedy is shaken 10 times before taking every dose & is taken 8 or 10 doses, and the prescribed dilution generally contains 1% alcohol or less. After taking 8 or 10 doses of the remedy, the prescribed dilution is succussed 80 or 100 times totally. On the other hand, in serial dilution of Fifty Millesimal Potency 100 times is succussed to prepare a subsequent potency. In both dilution (prescribed & serial), the remedy is succussed 100 times, but the energy level of medicine of both dilution does not reach to the same level of successive energy. If the successive energy level of prescribed dilution reached to that of the serial dilution, the patient would die or there would create incurable medicinal disease because of very large dose. Of this, there is no doubt that aquatic molecules does not play any role in the preparation of remedies, for the remedy (LM potency) of serial dilution is taken only one part of 3000—35000 of one drop as a dose (applied by Hahnemann)! On the other hand, the remedy of prescribed dilution of LM potency (the comparison is made to the last doses) is taken completely 1—5 drops.
Again, if we compare the prescribed solution of LM Potency and the serial dilution of Centesimal Potency (which contains 20 or 30% alcohol), we observe that to make the subsequent Centesimal Potency, 10 succussions are needed and to make the subsequent 10th Potency 100 succussions are needed and dilution ratio reaches to 1: 10010 . On the other hand, when the 10th dose (last dose) of the prescribed dilution of LM potency is taken, the dilution ratio remains unchanged and 100 succussions are performed but the remedy acts mildly, for dilution contains a very little amount ( 1% or less)of alcohol.
We can, therefore, conclude that water molecules do not play any role or play very trifle role in making homeopathic remedies.
3. Sucussion:
The aim of sucussing the solution in the preparation of homeopathic remedies is to make the collusion of the molecules present in the solution. When only water is succussed in a vial, it does not run so quickly, as consequence, less collusion happens in the solution/vial. If a few drops of alcohol are added to the solution & succussed, it runs much faster (as alcohol has lower viscosity & surface tension) than the solution containing water only. If only alcohol is succussed, it also runs much much faster than the alcohol/water solution. It is, therefore, observed that the solution of water only in homeopathically remedial preparation is much less dominant than that of alcohol only, or alcohol plus water.
4. Sucussion & the Level of Disease:
At which level of diseases CM potency attacks, LM/20 potency or its near potencies attack on the same level of diseases as it is practically observes. To prepare CM potency 10,00000 succussions (theoretically, but practically 40,00000 succussions are needed as it is succussed 40 times in each step in homeopathic pharmacy) are needed; on the other hand, to prepare LM/20 potency only 2000 succussions (both practically & theoretically) are needed. So, it is observed that the Fifty Millesimal Potency becomes much more powerful than the Centesimal Potency because of the greater percentage of alcohol in LM Potency compared to that of Centisimal Potency. The credit of being so energetic the homeopathic remedies, therefore, incontestably goes to the alcoholic molecules, not to the aquatic molecules.
5. Research Finding:
Research undertaken at the Royal London Homeopathic Hospital in 1980, showed that, in some cases, the therapeutic activity of potencies prepared in water alone from fresh plant material was dissipated in as long as 9 hours. On the other hand, the therapeutic activity of homeopathic medicines (medicated potencies) contained only alcohol remains 25-30 years or more if the remedies are reserved homeopathically.
Re: The Memory of Water vs. the Memory of Alcohol
Even if there is an emf memory in water there is no proof that this emf signal is triggering the healing effects of a homeopathic remedy. And like you point out the power of a homeopathic remedy is also found in alcohol and sugar pills, which are the only other media that have been tested. How many other media might carry the homeopathic energy? We dont know yet that the homeopathic energy is an emf signal/energy. Its all speculation. You'll have to prove that first.
I believe that an emf signal would not have enough complexity to explain all of the effects caused by a homeopathic remedy, just as their is not enough complexity in DNA to explain an organism's development process. They are now resorting to epigenetic (beyond genetic) explanations for many developmental and hereditary phenomenon. Hahnemann would call it miasmatic.
I believe that an emf signal would not have enough complexity to explain all of the effects caused by a homeopathic remedy, just as their is not enough complexity in DNA to explain an organism's development process. They are now resorting to epigenetic (beyond genetic) explanations for many developmental and hereditary phenomenon. Hahnemann would call it miasmatic.
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Re: The Memory of Water vs. the Memory of Alcohol
Hi, Tapas --
I guess that my point really was that it's difficult to exclude water entirely, even from a 100% alcohol solution; but you may be entirely right.
R, it's not inconceivable that a single substance corresponds, as is sometimes claimed to have been found, to a single frequency, whose effects may nevertheless be complex. It's also not inconceivable that a single frequency might (as it can in electromagnetic waves and sound) comprise a number of harmonics and (as it also can in both those examples) contain further information in distortion of its phase.
Cheers --
John
I guess that my point really was that it's difficult to exclude water entirely, even from a 100% alcohol solution; but you may be entirely right.
R, it's not inconceivable that a single substance corresponds, as is sometimes claimed to have been found, to a single frequency, whose effects may nevertheless be complex. It's also not inconceivable that a single frequency might (as it can in electromagnetic waves and sound) comprise a number of harmonics and (as it also can in both those examples) contain further information in distortion of its phase.
Cheers --
John