Minutus

hi all,

a problem has just come before me. I've seen it before in others and wonder if you have any suggestions.

I'm giving a general outline of a situation, not a specific case.
a child whose been abandoned or orphaned and who has been starving is now in a safe environment. plenty of food now available to the child. But s/he never will stop eating, and even after eating a full meal will continue to eat the leftovers from others' plates, etc.

ALSO: I've seen the resultant adult form of this - that is they may become obese, or continue with their compulsive eating habits.

The rep gives only 2 remedies under
M; Mind; FEAR, general, phobias; death, of; hunger, from - ars, calc

I'm wondering if anyone else has insight into other possible remedies for this circumstance. My goal is to balance the child now, before this becomes a pathological life habit.

ALSO: Would there be anything in Bach or Aussie Flowers that you may know about?
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira | Director | Tels: +254 (0)733-895466 / +254 (0)723-869133 | www.abhalight.org

Hi Didi,

Children in the west also have this problem these days and it is common in autism - as is an aversion to eating.

Has this child been vaccinated? If so you may be looking at a something more than just a fear of starvation and rubrics about an insatiable or ravenous appetite may shed some light.
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Kind regards,

Fran Sheffield

Hi Didi

How about these rubrics:
mind, anxiety, fasting after
mind, anxiety, hunger, fasting, during
mind, cares, worries, full of, eat, if he does not
mind, contemptous, ravenous hunger and greedy, hasty eating, with sudden
mind delusions, imaginations, eat cannot
mind fear while eating
mind fear of death while eating
mind fear of death from starvaton
mind sadness with canine appetitie
mind forsaken
mind ailments from ....

Those rubrics might give you some idea.

Best Wishes

Domenic
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From Jeff

Dear Didi Ananda
Why would want to confuse the picture with the administration of BACH remedies?
When you prescribe a homeopathic remedy as well as a BACH remedy, how do you know which has acted?

What do you do for your follow up?
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Abha Light Foundation
Sent: 25 October 2011 20:43
To: Minutus; homeopathy open
Subject: [Minutus] compulsive hunger from starvation or poverty
hi all,

a problem has just come before me. I've seen it before in others and wonder if you have any suggestions.

I'm giving a general outline of a situation, not a specific case.
a child whose been abandoned or orphaned and who has been starving is now in a safe environment. plenty of food now available to the child. But s/he never will stop eating, and even after eating a full meal will continue to eat the leftovers from others' plates, etc.

ALSO: I've seen the resultant adult form of this - that is they may become obese, or continue with their compulsive eating habits.

The rep gives only 2 remedies under
M; Mind; FEAR, general, phobias; death, of; hunger, from - ars, calc

I'm wondering if anyone else has insight into other possible remedies for this circumstance. My goal is to balance the child now, before this becomes a pathological life habit.

ALSO: Would there be anything in Bach or Aussie Flowers that you may know about?
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira | Director | Tels: +254 (0)733-895466 / +254 (0)723-869133 | www.abhalight.org

Dear Didi,
Please bear in mind and take cognizance that it is not the
allievation of the disease that is our foremost pledge, but
much more important is the knowledge of which remedy
allayed the symptoms so we may take note and become
more erudite. If in the process of our learning the patient
suffers, it is very unfortunate and sad.
So please disregard Flower Remedies, even though they may
point to a quick resolving of the ailment.
Soroush will never let this post thru.
Jeff

Sarcasm is lowest form of wit - Oscar Wilde!
For the avoidance of any doubt and still fresh in our memories:
§ 1
The physician's high and only mission is to restore the sick to health, to cure, as it is termed. 1
§ 2
The highest ideal of cure is rapid, gentle and permanent restoration of the health, or removal and annihilation of the disease in its whole extent, in the shortest, most reliable, and most harmless way, on easily comprehensible principles.
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jtikari
Sent: 26 October 2011 16:07
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] compulsive hunger from starvation or poverty
Dear Didi,

Please bear in mind and take cognizance that it is not the

allievation of the disease that is our foremost pledge, but

much more important is the knowledge of which remedy

allayed the symptoms so we may take note and become

more erudite. If in the process of our learning the patient

suffers, it is very unfortunate and sad.

So please disregard Flower Remedies, even though they may

point to a quick resolving of the ailment.
Soroush will never let this post thru.
Jeff

Dear ALL-

Thank you for your contributions, they have been helpful insights and I will see how to apply them

As I wrote - I was giving a general scenerio - by which your insights would help me in the final analysis of an individual's case. So again, thanks all.

TO: Soroush's Queries

S wrote:

Please, why do you jump to an assumption and suppose that I would be "double booking" and "confusing" the remedies? Please read again what I wrote and what I asked help for.

To review, I asked help to find remedies on a "generic" situation, not a specific case. And indeed knowingly I took a great risk (re: the conservatives in the Minitus crowd) by asking if anyone knew of Aussie or Bach remedies that would apply.

However I did not say anything about multi-prescription, polypharmacy, or anything else of non-classical nature. Even if you hate Bach, my query never supposed using them concurrently.

Much as you may or may not use the Bach, Aussie, or even Tissue salts in your personal practice, they are still within the greater body of homeopathically prepared remedies, qualify as "simples", qualify as "smallest dose", they have their respective materia medicas and (gulp!!) ..... I contend that they do have a place in our practices. They can be applied as single dose (hence "classically") if a person chooses. (don't blame the tools for the carpenter.... a remedy is a remedy. its up to you how you apply it)

So, I really see nothing wrong with asking this resource body of 2500+ readers if anyone has more knowledge than me on these remedies, because .... they are homeopathic remedies!

But....... Geeesh this is tiresome for me.
Well, well. I do get it that on this list I've been labeled and boxed as a "polypharmacy" practitioner. (whatever that is) So much so, that even if I ask a classical question, I'll still be challenged by some writers as if I blasphemed Heaven.

Indeed now, that makes TWICE in recent postings that a straightforward presentation or question has been jumped on with assumptions that were not present in the question or presentation.

I get it. I get that MINUTUS is to be "classical" and "hahnemannian". Therefore I've long since stopped posting my "heretical" cases and posts on this list. (probably to the dismay of some readers who would benefit from such postings) I get it. You want it to be classical, so classical it is. So be it.

So please - As you are going thru the Organon, Soroush, you will come to "the unprejudiced observer". I'm sure you will expound expertly on this subject at that time. My request is that you will be more of an "unprejudiced reader" as well.

Thanks.
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Some readers in recent postings have powerfully lamented the "downfall" of Minutus. I found it very distracting and boring to read all that. I as an avid reader and sometimes contributor, I'm confused - even when I post a straightforward query, I'm "burnt". It's so discouraging. You (the lamenting classicist contributors) don't want any non-classical postings AND you don't want any controversal postings AND APPARENTLY you don't even want the list "polluted" with contributors of the likes of me because I might...what?... infect people with non-classic cooties??? So guys - what do you want??? You want to discuss "classical", you want a vibrant list and discussion, and yet, when its limited to "classical", few participate... so???... ..... Aaaeeech. I give up.....

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Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira | Director | Tels: +254 (0)733-895466 / +254 (0)723-869133 | www.abhalight.org

Dear Didi Ananda
I admire the work you do in Africa.
If I have caused you offence I offer my apologies - but you know better than I do that Homeopathy does offer a good comprehensive response for the type of question you had posed and hence it was puzzling as to why you would want to introduce another system into the equation. Hence my question and comment.
Your sensitivity is of interest - when have I accused you of being a polypharmacist?
Lastly whilst referring to BACH remedies you state: " they are still within the greater body of homeopathically prepared remedies ..".

Please can you explain how BACH flowers may be regarded as you describe as their preparation is nothing like the preparation of Homeopathic remedies.
One big problem with BACH remedies is that "Each of the 38 remedies discovered by Dr Bach is directed at a particular characteristic or emotional state." http://www.bachcentre.com/centre/remedies.htm

Effectively they are addressing one symptom and we know what Hahnemann says about addressing just one symptom!
And lastly, you say they have a materia medica? How were they proved please?
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Abha Light Foundation
Sent: 27 October 2011 18:25
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Re: compulsive hunger from starvation or poverty
Dear ALL-

Thank you for your contributions, they have been helpful insights and I will see how to apply them

As I wrote - I was giving a general scenerio - by which your insights would help me in the final analysis of an individual's case. So again, thanks all.

TO: Soroush's Queries

S wrote:

Please, why do you jump to an assumption and suppose that I would be "double booking" and "confusing" the remedies? Please read again what I wrote and what I asked help for.

To review, I asked help to find remedies on a "generic" situation, not a specific case. And indeed knowingly I took a great risk (re: the conservatives in the Minitus crowd) by asking if anyone knew of Aussie or Bach remedies that would apply.

However I did not say anything about multi-prescription, polypharmacy, or anything else of non-classical nature. Even if you hate Bach, my query never supposed using them concurrently.

Much as you may or may not use the Bach, Aussie, or even Tissue salts in your personal practice, they are still within the greater body of homeopathically prepared remedies, qualify as "simples", qualify as "smallest dose", they have their respective materia medicas and (gulp!!) ..... I contend that they do have a place in our practices. They can be applied as single dose (hence "classically") if a person chooses. (don't blame the tools for the carpenter.... a remedy is a remedy. its up to you how you apply it)

So, I really see nothing wrong with asking this resource body of 2500+ readers if anyone has more knowledge than me on these remedies, because .... they are homeopathic remedies!

But....... Geeesh this is tiresome for me.
Well, well. I do get it that on this list I've been labeled and boxed as a "polypharmacy" practitioner. (whatever that is) So much so, that even if I ask a classical question, I'll still be challenged by some writers as if I blasphemed Heaven.

Indeed now, that makes TWICE in recent postings that a straightforward presentation or question has been jumped on with assumptions that were not present in the question or presentation.

I get it. I get that MINUTUS is to be "classical" and "hahnemannian". Therefore I've long since stopped posting my "heretical" cases and posts on this list. (probably to the dismay of some readers who would benefit from such postings) I get it. You want it to be classical, so classical it is. So be it.

So please - As you are going thru the Organon, Soroush, you will come to "the unprejudiced observer". I'm sure you will expound expertly on this subject at that time. My request is that you will be more of an "unprejudiced reader" as well.

Thanks.
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Some readers in recent postings have powerfully lamented the "downfall" of Minutus. I found it very distracting and boring to read all that. I as an avid reader and sometimes contributor, I'm confused - even when I post a straightforward query, I'm "burnt". It's so discouraging. You (the lamenting classicist contributors) don't want any non-classical postings AND you don't want any controversal postings AND APPARENTLY you don't even want the list "polluted" with contributors of the likes of me because I might...what?... infect people with non-classic cooties??? So guys - what do you want??? You want to discuss "classical", you want a vibrant list and discussion, and yet, when its limited to "classical", few participate... so???... ..... Aaaeeech. I give up.....

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Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira | Director | Tels: +254 (0)733-895466 / +254 (0)723-869133 | www.abhalight.org

Hello Didi,
I found the queries from Soroush to be not only legitimate, given the context in which you included them in your original post, but they were framed in a legitimately professional way.

This is a highly relevant example of how the consortium of "apologetics" and those who seek to re-define Homeopathy and it's practice to include everything under the sun, react when asked the most basic of peer review questions. This set of reactions is very telling.

This is a medical science we are practicing. If you were a member of a radiology group that had a mission statement regarding what radiology was and how it was used and you constantly tried to redefine the mission statement or what radiology actually was or could be, you would get the same reactions from the members of that group.

And please do let Minutus know if you you cure any of these "compulsive hunger from starvation or poverty cases" with a single dose of a flower rx. We would be very eager to hear about them.

Best regards,
Rik
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