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Misinformation about the Arizona bills on homeopathy

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:59 pm
by Dana Ullman, MPH
Dear Friends,

I have waited to respond to the rampant mis-information about the homeopathic bills in Arizona until I can be certain to provide ACCURATE information...and I am not ready to tell you the following...

Before discussing THIS issue, I want to remind people that I was arrested for practicing medicine without a license back in 1976. I have been a long-time advocate for consumers having the freedom of choice as to which health practitioners they wish to see. However, I am also an advocate of regulation for TITLES, that is, anyone can and should be able to practicing healing methods, but only people who have attended certain training programs and who then pass licensing (or certification) examinations should be able to call themselves "homeopathic doctors" or "acupuncturists" or whatever. It is this way with accounting too...anyone can do accounting, but only people who pass certain examinations should be able to call themselves a "CPA."

A freedom of choice ideal AND "title licensing acts" CAN live and work together!

As much as I appreciate the work of the National Health Federation, I have been concerned about some of their work for a long time, especially their hyper-libertarianism. They seem to be against any form of regulation of health care professions. While THAT type of free-market lack of regulation may work in an "ideal world" or a world in which no other health or medical professionals are regulated, I (and many others in the homeopathic community) see some value in certain regulation, especially regulation of TITLES, not or PRACTICES.

Anyone who told you that the Arizona bill would restrict the practice of homeopathy OR nutrition has purposefully provided MIS-INFORMATION...and sadly, the NHF did this.

The bottomline here is that even VEGA ROZENBERG, one of Arizona's leading professional homeopaths, is supportive of this bill...as are the naturopathic physicians, the nurses, and the homeopathic MDs. As you will all see from the letter below from Dr. Todd Rowe, the Arizona bill has achieved an remarkable degree of support from a wide assortment of people and organizations in Arizona. Strangely, it seems to be people outside of Arizona who have been the primary people to complain about this bill and who have been found to spread mis-information about it.

Todd Rowe, MD, CCH,DHt, is the Founder of the American Medical College of Homeopathy, and he was the President (!) of the National Center for Homeopathy. He has been a long-time big supporter of professional homeopaths, and I consider him a GOOD friend of mine and of homeopathy's. Most of all, I trust him to advocate for high-quality homeopathy and for the use of homeopathy by all.

--Dana Ullman
Dear Dana

A warm greetings to you from Arizona. Thank you for your support and trust. It has been a difficult process but I am hopeful that the community may benefit and grow through this.

Our non-profit Board has discussed this issue at length and decided to take the high road and not engage directly with the attacks and simply to speak our truth and keep moving forward. With all of the external attacks on homeopathy, we felt that it was better not to feed that energy and to escalate a war within the homeopathic community. We are not ready to send out a formal statement at this time.

Currently Arizona has two bills that are going through the legislature, SB1175 and SB1382. SB1175 has been focused on creating licensure for the graduates of our medical school that opened last month. SB1382 has focused on expanding the practice of those individuals who are currently practicing under the freedom legislation here in Arizona, so that they can now call themselves homeopaths or homeopathic practitioners.

We have worked hard on these bills for some time within the community here in Arizona. There was initially much opposition from the MD’s that we were able to overcome and they are now on board. Later there was opposition from the nurses which we were able to work out. There has been considerable opposition from the naturopathic profession but after meeting with them, we were also able to work things out. Lastly, there have been ongoing meetings with the unlicensed homeopathic community in Arizona, including Vega Rosenburg and we have also been able to work things out. Vega Rosenburg is in support of both bills. Through this collaborative process we have created three separate amendments which have served to resolve problems and differences with these various groups.

The bottom line is that there has been no opposition to the Bills from Arizona which has been remarkable in itself.

In the last two weeks, we were contacted by the National Health Freedom Coalition. I met with them and again tried to work out differences but was unable to do so. They demanded that we insert health freedom legislation into SB1175. I explained to them that SB1175 is not about deregulation but about regulation of doctor’s of homeopathy. I suggested to them that if this was an important agenda that they either create a separate bill or insert an amendment into SB1382 which does relate to health care legislation. They refused and decided to oppose the Bill.

Since that time, they have been steadily attacking the Bill and sending out e-blasts to the national homeopathic and nutritional communities attacking the Bill. They allege that SB1175 will prevent others from practicing homeopathy and nutrition. This is categorically untrue. In their arguments they have been using incorrect outdated information that no longer applies to the Bill that is being passed and its amendments. The current Bill in no way limits or restrict the practice of nutrition or homeopathy by practitioners here in Arizona. The only mention of nutrition in this Bill is that it is included within the scope of practice of the Doctor of Homeopathy. Nutrition is also included in the scope of practice of MD’s, DO’s, ND’s, Nurses, Chiropractors and Acupuncturists here in Arizona. It also is not something that is generally regulated in a protected way, and anyone can practice nutrition.

Also, the majority of our students (from our certificate programs) will be practicing under the exemption and it is critical to us that both freedom legislation and licensure paths be available to practitioners here in Arizona. The problem has been that the NHFC is unwilling to accept any regulation or licensure for homeopathy and will attack such an initiative wherever it occurs. They have done so elsewhere in the country with naturopathic licensure using the exact same tactics.

Unfortunately, NASH has also elected to forward the information to its membership without contacting anyone here in Arizona to verify or check the facts. The homeopathic community has been supportive and has been putting increasing pressure on NASH to retract. The NCH, CCH, CHE (ACHENA) and AIH have all been very supportive of what we are trying to do and have verified the facts.

I am not sure of where all of this is going but am hopeful that this can lead to healing within the national homeopathic community. I think this is stirring up a national discussion about pluralism and whether one group can mandate one type or nature of practice or whether we should all try to create a larger tent where there are multiple styles and methods of practice that do not interfere with each other and are honored.
Thank you again for all of your support. Feel free to share this information with anyone who asks but please don’t send out as a mass communication. We hope to have a statement later.

Warmly,

Todd Rowe MD, MD(H), CCH, DHt
President
American Medical College of Homeopathy
"Transforming Lives"
1951 W. Camelback, Suite 300
Phoenix, Arizona 85015
602-347-7950; 602-864-2949(fax)
www.AMCofH.org

Re: Misinformation about the Arizona bills on homeopathy

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:26 pm
by Tanya Marquette
Dear Dana, ,
While I appreciate your sense of caution and desire for accuracy, it is disturbing that
your post is very one-sided in support of this bill and all those people with a competitive
vested interest in seeing it come to fruition.
The critics of the bill are concerned with allowing lay persons to continue to practice. Your
post offers no support for the many of us who resiste licensing for many reasons, not the
least of which is the way licensing always seeks to limit and control who can practice and
how. I have never seen licensing really produce better practitioners of anything. But I have
certainly seen such requirements produce an other tax on working for the states (licensing
fees), as well as control the practice itself. Look at how easy it was to delicense an Andrew
Wakefield because he barely even promoted an idea simply for further study. We have
had our Wakefield's in this country, including in my countyl that went after an MD who supported
and practiced home births. Look at all that money not going to hospitals!!!!!
This list of this type of censorship and limiting of professional participation due to personality
dislikes is rampant in history with very little concomittant real monitoring of poor or dangerous
practice. Every single profession has been like this.
What would be a more legitimiate tack is a registry that declares a person intending to run a
practice/business. There is no reason why that shoul d not be the way to go. In NY there was
an effort to do this but the homeopathic community could/would not gather round and a lobbyist
hired on our behalf could not continue to be paid. I am sure you are aware of the effort and conflicts
that ended in homeopathy not getting back on the list of legitimate healing practices.
I am one of those people who do not support the Arizona bill, see it as dangerous precedent for
our community, and am nowheres even close to being a libertarian.
tanya
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Re: Misinformation about the Arizona bills on homeopathy

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:04 am
by Hennie Duits
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Op 27-3-2011 21:59, Dana Ullman, MPH schreef:

Re: Misinformation about the Arizona bills on homeopathy

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:39 am
by Howard A Asinoff
While respecting Dana's intent & motives, it is a trap of sorts to seek licensure.
Licensure = doing something that without such permission to do would be considered illegal.
Dr. Benjamin Rush, a signer of the Declaration of Independence said:
"Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will
organize into an undercover dictatorship. Laws to restrict the art of healing to one class of men...
are un-American and despotic.",
Licensing boards are supposed to "protect the public" however they behave with virtual immunity
promoting a political agenda all-their-own or as Rush put it they have become "Undercover Dictatorships!
IF there is an actual need that arises to in any manner monitor those who practice the healing art of
homeopathy, the very most I would suggest is a registration act so there is an awareness of those practicing
homeopathy. (And I do this with some reluctance)
As one who took a board exam in homeopathy, I can honestly say that it doesn't protect the public safety.
To practice as per that exam would be woefully insufficient yet I am considered "Board Certified".
In short, I agree with Tanya!
Grace & Peace :-)
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From: "tamarque@earthlink.net"
To: "minutus"
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Misinformation about the Arizona bills on homeopathy
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:26:44 -0400

Dear Dana, ,
While I appreciate your sense of caution and desire for accuracy, it is disturbing that
your post is very one-sided in support of this bill and all those people with a competitive
vested interest in seeing it come to fruition.
The critics of the bill are concerned with allowing lay persons to continue to practice. Your
post offers no support for the many of us who resiste licensing for many reasons, not the
least of which is the way licensing always seeks to limit and control who can practice and
how. I have never seen licensing really produce better practitioners of anything. But I have
certainly seen such requirements produce an other tax on working for the states (licensing
fees), as well as control the practice itself. Look at how easy it was to delicense an Andrew
Wakefield because he barely even promoted an idea simply for further study. We have
had our Wakefield's in this country, including in my countyl that went after an MD who supported
and practiced home births. Look at all that money not going to hospitals!!!!!
This list of this type of censorship and limiting of professional participation due to personality
dislikes is rampant in history with very little concomittant real monitoring of poor or dangerous
practice. Every single profession has been like this.
What would be a more legitimiate tack is a registry that declares a person intending to run a
practice/business. There is no reason why that shoul d not be the way to go. In NY there was
an effort to do this but the homeopathic community could/would not gather round and a lobbyist
hired on our behalf could not continue to be paid. I am sure you are aware of the effort and conflicts
that ended in homeopathy not getting back on the list of legitimate healing practices.
I am one of those people who do not support the Arizona bill, see it as dangerous precedent for
our community, and am nowheres even close to being a libertarian.
tanya
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Re: Misinformation about the Arizona bills on homeopathy

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:36 pm
by Dana Ullman, MPH
Friends,

There is a BIG BIG difference between licensing acts that are "title licensing acts" and those that outlaw specific practices that create monopolies!!! I am supportive of those title licensing acts for many reasons. I do not want just anybody to be able to call themselves a "homeopathic doctor." Also, I want those people who graduate from the Arizona homeopathic school to be able to get INSURANCE COMPANIES to reimburse for their services (is there anyone against that?) (please KNOW that no reimbursement can or will be possible without state regulation of a profession).

To me, it is obvious that people who do not want homeopathic patients to get reimbursement are obstructionists to the progress of homeopathy and to access to homeopathic treatment.

The ARIZONA bill is explicit in being a TITLE LICENSING ACT...and it does not dis-allow the practice of homeopathy OR nutrition...and my concern was that the National Health Federation talked with Todd Rowe, MD, and they KNEW that this bill did not prohibit the prescription of homeopathic medicines or nutrition to people.

It is a tad ironic that someone claimed that I was presenting ONE side of the story. Well, I think that this "side" is curative to the mis-information provided by the other side.
Dana Ullman, MPH
Homeopathic Educational Services
2124 Kittredge St.
Berkeley, CA. 94704
(510)649-0294
(800)359-9051 (orders only in the U.S.)
(510)649-1955 (fax)
dullman@igc.org OR dana@homeopathic.com
http://www.homeopathic.com

Re: Misinformation about the Arizona bills on homeopathy

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:24 pm
by Dana Ullman, MPH
Yes, when the Arizona bill passes, people who practice homeopathy and who do not go to the homeopathic college there can simply call themselves HOMEOPATHS...and cannot call themselves "homeopathic doctors" or "homeopathic physicians".

Yeah...this bill is a GOOD ONE!

--Dana Ullman

Re: Misinformation about the Arizona bills on homeopathy

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:20 pm
by Leilanae
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Sheri Nakken wrote:

Hi Sheri,

"The practice situation here in the US is changing over time. ...................."

" ...............Licensure for homeopathic practice for the Doctor of Homeopathy is only slated to occur in Arizona at this time. We plan on gradually expanding this to other states over time................."

http://www.homeopathyworldcommunity.com ... e=activity
Leilanae
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Re: Misinformation about the Arizona bills on homeopathy

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:38 am
by Howard A Asinoff
A bit of an aside yet relevant as the title "doctor" has caused much confusion in our society. Altho doctors, we refer to dentists, podiatrists, chiropractors, etc as such. Yet we tend not to say internist, gastrointerologist, internist but rather "Doctor" as MDs have promoted this to differentiate themselves from the aforementioned.
The true delineation is "physician". A physician earns a "degree" (not a diploma) and is eligible for state licensure.
Due to the confusion over the word "doctor" as well as the words degree & diploma, some schools have taken advantage of this by playing on the public's ignorance and issuing "diplomas" with the title doctor on it. They are not eligible for state licensing yet can legally use the title "doctor" as it is on their "diploma". They cannot practice on the same level never the less they are able to use the title "doctor".

From: "leilanae" leilanae@verizon.net
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com , Sheri Nakken wrote:

Hi Sheri,

"The practice situation here in the US is changing over time. ...................."

" ...............Licensure for homeopathic practice for the Doctor of Homeopathy is only slated to occur in Arizona at this time.� We plan on gradually expanding this to other states over time................."

http://www.homeopathyworldcommunity.com ... e=activity

Leilanae
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