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Concerns about potency

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:15 am
by Helen Tucker
I have a friend who is taking Pulsatilla. It seems to be helping her significantly. Her emotional well being has improved (used to be very weepy and depressed), as well as her productivity. Her chronic hemorrhoids that she’s had for a year at the pain level of #8 (out of 10) has dropped down to #2. All other symptoms appear to be improving also.
1. The concern I have is the potency. She started out with low potencies, with no changes. I finally moved her up to 1 M, which then resulted in all these improvements. But she is taking it 4-5 times a week, and I am concerned that at 1 M, it is too much.
She already had one aggravation, where she suddenly got a flu with many symptoms of Pulsatilla. I asked her to lay off for a while. After 3 weeks of no remedy, all the symptoms came back as bad as before. So she went back on it, and the symptoms are better. In particular, her hemorrhoid pain is down to a manageable level.
2. I am also concerned whether the fact that all her symptoms came back as strongly as they existed before means the Pulsatilla is palliating and not curing.
3. She’s been taking it for 2 months now, and there is no further improvement. The pain has stayed down at #2, but has not gone lower.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Is it time to look for another remedy?
Helen

Re: Concerns about potency

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:30 am
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
My knee-jerk (or simply jerk....) reaction would have been to say "take her through an F series..." but you might be right about being simply a palliative and about looking for a different, although close, remedy, also in an F series.
Regarding the 1M potency, and this is a question I am asking to everyone, how do you know that this is really a One Thousand C potency?
Has it been hand succussed and diluted 1000 times? Probably not...
Is it a Korsakov potency and if so has it been prepared that way since the beginning (at least from 3C) or using a 30 or 200 as a starting point, in which case it is not a "real" 1M?
Fluxion method? How do you really assert it is equivalent to 1000 hand succussions and dilutions?
Etc......
 
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Re: Concerns about potency

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:40 am
by Shannon Nelson
Hi Helen,

I agree with you--sounds like it is palliating only. (Would be interesting to see what an F series would do, tho--from what Joe has written, if not the *right* rx quite, it should clarify the rx that is needed, right?)

Shannon

Re: Concerns about potency

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:00 am
by Soroush Ebrahimi
I cannot see any reason for any remedy at 1M potency treating a chronic condition being repeated so often. Its action should last at least a month.
The fact that the case collapses, shows that the remedy is not right. You are near, but not exactly the Similimum.
Re-take the case.
Soroush
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I have a friend who is taking Pulsatilla. It seems to be helping her significantly. Her emotional well being has improved (used to be very weepy and depressed), as well as her productivity. Her chronic hemorrhoids that she’s had for a year at the pain level of #8 (out of 10) has dropped down to #2. All other symptoms appear to be improving also.
1. The concern I have is the potency. She started out with low potencies, with no changes. I finally moved her up to 1 M, which then resulted in all these improvements. But she is taking it 4-5 times a week, and I am concerned that at 1 M, it is too much.
She already had one aggravation, where she suddenly got a flu with many symptoms of Pulsatilla. I asked her to lay off for a while. After 3 weeks of no remedy, all the symptoms came back as bad as before. So she went back on it, and the symptoms are better. In particular, her hemorrhoid pain is down to a manageable level.
2. I am also concerned whether the fact that all her symptoms came back as strongly as they existed before means the Pulsatilla is palliating and not curing.
3. She’s been taking it for 2 months now, and there is no further improvement. The pain has stayed down at #2, but has not gone lower.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Is it time to look for another remedy?
Helen
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Re: Concerns about potency

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:03 am
by John Harvey
Dear Helen,

The only way to see clearly what the Puls. has been doing -- and the only way in which you could have seen what the first dose of it did -- is to stop repeating it and to stop medicating her altogether. In the month or so that follows, the overall pattern of what develops may be interpreted as you could have interpreted the results of the first dose if you had simply waited.

If Puls. turns out to be suitable to her -- which will be apparent, though not certain, if she continues, without it, to improve upon initial state (not taking undue notice of her haemorrhoids, of course!) and will be more certain if she continues to improve at a reasonable pace for a second month -- then, and only then, is it adviseable to consider giving her a further dose; and then, only in an altered potency.

What has caused the problem here of inability to interpret what is going on is that you cannot know whether the Pulsatilla has for some time established a medicinal disease upon her. The reasons you cannot know whether it has is that you have left wide open the possibility of doing so by repeating the medicine in unchanged potency. Some will argue that in their amazing experience -- obviously broader and deeper than Hahnemann's, which warned us otherwise -- there is no harm done by such repetition; and it may often be the case that the repetition is not prompt enough to compound the medicine's primary action or to antidote the previous dose. But in most cases, the lack of apparent harm, and the lack of confusion, quite evidently follow from a lack of attention to what is going on.

Fortunately, you are one practitioner who has paid attention and can see that something is not right. Well, this is what is not right. Give her organism a chance to recover from medicinal illness and reestablish its natural state; continue to observe its progress; and you will get clues as to whether Puls. is suitable. Even if the question remains undecided, observing the effects of a single further dose in a new potency will tell you all you need to know. After that, if her symptoms continue to indicate Puls., it's a simply a matter of taking care to not induce unnecessary symptoms and not to force a change in state, by ensuring a sufficiently small dose of the potency and taking the precaution of always, without exception, changing potency between doses.

Cheers --

John

Re: Concerns about potency

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:34 am
by Bill Giman
One of Argentina's most respected homeopathic physicians, Dr.Francisco Eizayaga, practiced Homeopathic by prescribing
dosages on a daily basis from 30C to 10M.

Steven Messer ND (Naturapathic college in AZ) who studied Homeopathy w/Eizayaga uses his methods of prescribing potencies on a daily basis.

Bill Giman
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Re: Concerns about potency

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:37 am
by John Harvey
Perfect examples of the arrogance and ignorance I mentioned. What need do these people have for this bizarre ignorance; what need have they to risk even slightly the welfare of their patients? Let me tell you: none at all.

John
My knee-jerk (or simply jerk....) reaction would have been to say "take her through an F series..." but you might be right about being simply a palliative and about looking for a different, although close, remedy, also in an F series.
Regarding the 1M potency, and this is a question I am asking to everyone, how do you know that this is really a One Thousand C potency?
Has it been hand succussed and diluted 1000 times? Probably not...
Is it a Korsakov potency and if so has it been prepared that way since the beginning (at least from 3C) or using a 30 or 200 as a starting point, in which case it is not a "real" 1M?
Fluxion method? How do you really assert it is equivalent to 1000 hand succussions and dilutions?
Etc......
 
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com

Re: Concerns about potency

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:35 am
by Rochelle Marsden
I would stop the remedy and when symptoms return give 1 dose only of the 10M and see how long that lasts. I don't like to change a good remedy without going up a potency. I think it is too late to try a water potency of the 1M succussing daily.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath with The Society of Homeopaths
EFT (Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

Re: Concerns about potency

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:06 am
by healthinfo6
Soroush,
I totally disagree with your advice. I've been taking an anti-psoric constitutional remedy in 200C potency for 2 years which works very well when taken at intervals from 7 days to 20 days. When a dose doesn't work well causing aggravation, I either took it too soon or it's time to switch to another anti-psoric intercurrent for a dose. Then when going back to the constitutional it works well once again sometimes even better. There is no need to keep retaking a case. I know the remedy is right because it can, for me, "cure" diabetes for a bit during it's medicinal action while the intercurrents don't, sometimes aggravating. Also there is a strong relief of psoric symptoms within hours that lasts for days. I also know this remedy is not palliative because there is a superset of lasting improvement that increases over time. This is still not a cure, possibly approaching it. I've also tried altered and non-altered dosing, and as expected, altered works better. Currently upto over 200 stirs of a 200C water potency of 2-3 pillules.
When trying the remedy in 1M potency, it did not work well, actually made things worse and I had to antidote it with the 200C. While I may try a 1M again, I believe the nature of these miasms are physical organ based thus more appropriate and responsive to 200C.
Sounds like the remedy here may be correct, just needs variation in change of potency, change of dosing times and use of intercurrents to keep the vital force on its toes.
Seems homeopathic remedies for chronic are not suitable for daily dosing, even in LM, as an allopathic drug is. Thus, it's harder to manage certain chronic diseases solely homeopathically. So, for example, in diabetes, there may be noticeable reduction of blood glucose during a remedy's main action which wanes necessitating continued allopathic drugs to control. The curative action of the remedy continues though while it's main action is waning and taking another dose too soon is counterproductive. Thus there is this gap which hopefully gets shorter as the cumulative curative action of a remedy increases as it is repeated over time at appropriate intervals.
Susan

Re: Concerns about potency

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:00 pm
by Zafar iqbal Chohan
i think if u r see the symptoms of CALCAREA CARB and put this remedy in cm u will find better result than pulsatilla

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