homeopathy/TCM re:case 18 month old

[isali ben-jacob]

I agree with the premise that both systems are energetic systems and
that they are each a complete differential diagnostic system. I do
not concur with the conclusion that as such they are incompatible as
a simultaneous application. To the contrary I would argue that they
are compatible for the very reason that they are each energetic
systems. Further that there is more alignment with these two
systems than may meet the casual eye. Certainly the language and
diagnostic methodology is different; however, the underlying
principles are the same or, namely that there is in the broadest
sense a point of view which we share commonly that there exists a
relationship which the organism has with the exogenous world. These
exogenous factors are a reflection of what TCM would refer to as the
heavens and the earth. That language aside, it remains factors
which affect the organism that are themselves external to it. And
there exists a relationship which the organism has with the
endogenous terrain. The endogenous terrain would then attend to the
relationship between the nonsomatic and the somatic. These
endogenous factors are a reflection of what TCM would refer to as
the three treasures; the mind, the vital force, and the body. TCM
would say that the mind stimulates the chi(vital force), and the chi
once stimulated promotes movement which is reflected in the body(for
the better or for the worse).

I submit to you for your review that in the broadest sense that
homeopathy and oriental medicine are rooted in principles which
appear to be identical. They differ dramatically with their
respective diagnostic methodology. And I would add that I find a
tasteful offering from the allopathic paradigm with its matrix of
functional medicine as it presents a model of tissue and function as
a view which I believe we both might find useful and sound.

Herbal medicine does not offer what homeopathy offers in its ability
to tailor medicines to various tissue depth. Herbal medicne is an
energetic offering of a mother tincture. It affects the vital
force by way of the body and thereafter the mental terrain. I make
no offering argument here regarding other procedures of oriental
medicine which can address the mental terrain directly only because
it may cloud the meeting with you which I seek.

The case generating this interaction was an 18 month old who amongst
the clinical picture suffered a cough in the morning with 'cold'
type symtoms and that this initiated when the child was separated
for two days from the parents. The treatment cleared the symtoms in
the head leaving the cough. An argument was presented with which I
find favor by another colleague on this list
that this is not necessarily coursing the pathogenic reflection in
the right direction.

In oriental medicine there is a relationship between the deeper
organs and a bowel each. The lung is mated with the large
intestines in what is referred to as an interior/exterior
relationship. And that the circadian rythym reflects the lung 3-5am
and the L.I. 5-7am. A cough is a reflection of the coursing of the
energetic action of the lung in the wrong direction and that this is
occuring in the am period when the L&LI systems are imposed upon the
greatest. Any condition of deficiency is most likely to reflect
itself during the circadian time of the system affected.

The herbal formula I suggested, bu fei tang, is intended to address
a Dx of deficient Lung energy(chi) with attendant indications of
shortness of breath, spontaneous sweating, occasional chills and
feverish expression, coughing, pale tongue, and either thin or
large pulse.

It is my assertion that an appropriate application of homepathic and
herbal remedies can attenuate and/or support their respective
actions. Clinical application would affirm my argument or negate
it. It is my clinical experience that my argument to you is valid.

Always enjoy your contributions in thinking

[isali ben-jacob]

To Dave Hartley

I agree with the premise that both systems are energetic systems and
that they are each a complete differential diagnostic system. I do
not concur with the conclusion that as such they are incompatible as
a simultaneous application. To the contrary I would argue that they
are compatible for the very reason that they are each energetic
systems. Further that there is more alignment with these two
systems than may meet the casual eye. Certainly the language and
diagnostic methodology is different; however, the underlying
principles are the same or, namely that there is in the broadest
sense a point of view which we share commonly that there exists a
relationship which the organism has with the exogenous world. These
exogenous factors are a reflection of what TCM would refer to as the
heavens and the earth. That language aside, it remains factors
which affect the organism that are themselves external to it. And
there exists a relationship which the organism has with the
endogenous terrain. The endogenous terrain would then attend to the
relationship between the nonsomatic and the somatic. These
endogenous factors are a reflection of what TCM would refer to as
the three treasures; the mind, the vital force, and the body. TCM
would say that the mind stimulates the chi(vital force), and the chi
once stimulated promotes movement which is reflected in the body(for
the better or for the worse).

I submit to you for your review that in the broadest sense that
homeopathy and oriental medicine are rooted in principles which
appear to be identical. They differ dramatically with their
respective diagnostic methodology. And I would add that I find a
tasteful offering from the allopathic paradigm with its matrix of
functional medicine as it presents a model of tissue and function as
a view which I believe we both might find useful and sound.

Herbal medicine does not offer what homeopathy offers in its ability
to tailor medicines to various tissue depth. Herbal medicne is an
energetic offering of a mother tincture. It affects the vital
force by way of the body and thereafter the mental terrain. I make
no offering argument here regarding other procedures of oriental
medicine which can address the mental terrain directly only because
it may cloud the meeting with you which I seek.

The case generating this interaction was an 18 month old who amongst
the clinical picture suffered a cough in the morning with 'cold'
type symtoms and that this initiated when the child was separated
for two days from the parents. The treatment cleared the symtoms in
the head leaving the cough. An argument was presented with which I
find favor by another colleague on this list
that this is not necessarily coursing the pathogenic reflection in
the right direction.

In oriental medicine there is a relationship between the deeper
organs and a bowel each. The lung is mated with the large
intestines in what is referred to as an interior/exterior
relationship. And that the circadian rythym reflects the lung 3-5am
and the L.I. 5-7am. A cough is a reflection of the coursing of the
energetic action of the lung in the wrong direction and that this is
occuring in the am period when the L&LI systems are imposed upon the
greatest. Any condition of deficiency is most likely to reflect
itself during the circadian time of the system affected.

The herbal formula I suggested, bu fei tang, is intended to address
a Dx of deficient Lung energy(chi) with attendant indications of
shortness of breath, spontaneous sweating, occasional chills and
feverish expression, coughing, pale tongue, and either thin or
large pulse.

It is my assertion that an appropriate application of homepathic and
herbal remedies can attenuate and/or support their respective
actions. Clinical application would affirm my argument or negate
it. It is my clinical experience that my argument to you is valid.

Always enjoy your contributions in thinking