Minutus

Hello all,
I have just taken a 10 meter fall from a bridge. Landing hard on the soil below. Many blunt force injuries and broken bones. My questions are:
Should I triturate, dilute and succuss the bridge, the ground/soil or the parts of my own body that are injured? Or better yet as part of another thread how about the dark energy of my mind? Or a combination of all of them and injected like a vaccine? And then we could take the obvious derangement that would occur and perhaps make an isopathic solution from my blood or brain matter and give me that as well.
For Isopathy to work, would it not have to work under all circumstances instead of a very few? How does one know that one MMR shot is the same as the next? (They are not) And what of the plethora of cases of vaccinosis that have been treated to cure without resorting to giving an unproven rx? I am not saying that I ignore or refute another practitioners findings on the matter or that I wouldn't try as a last resort something like this new isopathy. This also does not make any reference to the number of cases in which it has not worked at all. (Too many to count)
This reminds me of the, as of now anecdotal findings, regarding the sensation method. We have one or two practitioners in the whole of the Homeopathic community saying that it is the perfect approach and beyond refute. Within the context of the new isopathy we have the same thing. It is in it's earliest stages of being proved out. It falls in with homeoprophylaxis. Which I am also very skeptical of since it is in it's infancy and almost unprovable. Again that is not to say that results (positive/negative) should be ignored. But we should also question it, in that it is the giving of an unproven rx (unethical?) and there is no way to determine that it matches the patients symptom set. This model leads to only one thing: therapeutic this for that prescribing.
I ask any of you that use triturated unproven vaccine based remedies, if you tell the patient that you are now engaging in an unproven, anecdotal form of isopathy and if you differentiate it from Homeopathy?
What about cases of autism or anything else when the patient has not been vaccinated?
These are important discussions that need to be had. Although on occasion uncomfortable this is our virtual peer review.
It should also be noted that Smits would be the first to admit that dietary changes made in cases of autism were many times paving the way to cure.
Best regards, Rik
Ho

Why not begin by looking at the particulars of the *case*?

But re this: "What about cases of autism or anything else when the
patient has not been vaccinated?" I would love to see that discussion.
Are you familiar with some such?

I can't answer for Rik but I will for me, seeing as I am listening to myself - I know of plenty and 'of anything else', well many hundreds!

Joy

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Rik, you make me laugh.

Lisa

Hello Shannon,
There are a number of Homeopaths, at least a dozen, here in the states and in Europe that are seeing cases of children with autism in which there were no vaccines. 2 of the 3 cases that I have seen in the last 16 months were the worst cases I had ever seen. The last one was a very holistic mother who is a midwife and lives a very healthy lifestyle. Her children have all been raised on organic food etc. Her last child is off the spectrum with regards to his autistic state. But of course there is a grave misconception as to what autism is or where it comes from (causality). So the question is, what should I have given this boy if I have no MMR vaccine remedy to apply?
This was a talked about topic at LIGA back in May among many fellow Homeopaths.
Best regards, Rik
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Nelson wrote:

You need some 10M comic.

You have just rpoved that you have no understanding of isopathy!
Why would you give MMR vaccine if the child has never been vaccinated? Duh!
Liz

Is this all you have to add? Really? You have so avowedly missed the point that I am baffled at your response. Why are you the only person here saying that I have no understanding of isopathy?
So the question stands: What do you give an autistic child with no nws or who is unvaccinated? Does one give Cat scan 1M to a patient who has cancer after getting the scan? Why not? This is an assault. Do you give the antibiotics in Homeopathic form to the patient who now has diarrhea from same said drug? Why not? I could go on ad nauseum but I am afraid that you would miss the point again. Since I have no understanding of isopathy....duh!

Rik
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Liz Brynin" wrote:

Thanks Rik,

Taking your last point first--the question of "what should I have given
this boy if I have no MMR vaccine remedy to apply"--that has nothing to
do with anything that I have said, at any point... I know (or at least
it has been my understanding) that in some cases autism is reversed
without need of vaccine isodes, but in other cases those appears to
have been crucial. I am only going by what I have read.

I also recall from reading that in some cases the *symptom picture*
matches that of a vaccine, and in this case the isode would of course
be also the homeopathic remedy. (Symptom picture from proving? That I
don't know, but I *do* know that some of them do have distinct pictures
to work from.) So can we just leave that part out? I'm really not
interested in revisiting any of the "unproven remedies" arguments, or
anything re isopathy. I am, instead, interested in the topic I asked
about--cases of autism where vaccination was not involved.

I'm sure the question of common factors was explored carefully--do you
recall anything particular being noticed about that? Or particular
remedies that could give clues to causation in these cases--miasmatic
or toxic or other?

Thanks,
Shannon

I repeat, Rik. You have missed the point. If the child has never had MMR, you would not consider giving the MMR nosode.
So - no point in giving me examples of people who have been NBWS antibiotics or something, is there? Your analogies are not true analogies.
Liz