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Digest Number 482

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2002 3:01 am
by Hompierre
Hello:
My suggestion remains that it is perfectly fine to search for answers as well
as understanding. But please explain to me, how come you don't ask your MD
why he is prescribing Agaricus 3X's a day? His phone should be free and your
questions should be answered by him first.
I do beg to differ about placebo. It is well documented that Hahnemann gave
it to all his patients. What is the point of giving placebo and tell the
patient about it?
P

Re: Digest Number 482

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2002 3:27 am
by dontwurry
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Pierre, whenever I question our homeopath about ANY prescription, his
answer is that is the way he believes it should work. Each
prescription he has prescribed for my children (lachesis, hyoscyamus,
Ignatia, etc,) have ALL been 3x a day, for 6 weeks, then come back
in. If I call with a bad reaction, he tells us to stop taking it and
take cough supressant. As I said, it is very difficult finding a
knowledgable competent homeo. and that is why I am grateful for the
info i receive here.
As my son is an absolute MESS emotionally, mentally , physically, I
cannot fathom why he would think a placebo would be in order.
For what reason did Hahnemann give his patients placebos??

Thank you for your response!!

Heide
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Re: Digest Number 482

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2002 10:01 am
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Dear Heide

I think you have enough info now to decide whether your Homoeopath is
competent or NOT!

I think if you ask colleagues on this post, you will probably find another
Hom not too far and perhaps not as convenient as your present one!

Perhaps next time you meet this guy you should ask what is his justification
for the way he prescribes? From whom has he learnt this (madness)?

When Hn used placebo, I suspect it was because a lot people had got used to
taking a medicine every day and in fact I have seen it in some cultures
where the patient has been to see a medic and he has prescribed only one
medicine that the patient (often not well educated) would say well he did
not know much and has only prescribed one medicine!!

Patient education must be in the fore front of our thoughts.
Hope all goes well
Soroush

Re: Digest Number 482

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2002 2:36 pm
by Tanya Marquette
Dear Dontwurry,

Where did you say you lived? I dont recall anyone making this suggestion to you, so here is mine. It might be worthwhile to plan a vacation around a trip to another homeopath, one who could/would do phone follow-ups. That would save you some time and excess costs. Although, there are differing opinions about long-distance work, with a homeopath that is in good synch with your son, this would be a vast improvement over your current situation. Both you/your family, and the homeopath will have the advantage of personal connection and experience of each other and then ongoing contact. Personal visits can be coordinated with your work schedule and funds.

There are many good homeopaths in this country and many others, for that matter. As some people on this list have already mentioned, a practitioner who was trained in homeopathy as their primary practice would be preferable. You do not need a pseudo practitioner who will 'try' a remedy with allopathic meds in the back of his/her mind. I find this type of thinking to be insincere as regards homeopathic practice.

tanya
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Re: Digest Number 482

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2002 6:22 pm
by Heide Strauss
Hi
Ok then,,,, Can anyone recommend a competent homeopath in the northeastern area of the US??? thanks Heide
Finrod wrote:
Dear Heide

I think you have enough info now to decide whether your Homoeopath is
competent or NOT!

I think if you ask colleagues on this post, you will probably find another
Hom not too far and perhaps not as convenient as your present one!

Perhaps next time you meet this guy you should ask what is his justification
for the way he prescribes? From whom has he learnt this (madness)?

When Hn used placebo, I suspect it was because a lot people had got used to
taking a medicine every day and in fact I have seen it in some cultures
where the patient has been to see a medic and he has prescribed only one
medicine that the patient (often not well educated) would say well he did
not know much and has only prescribed one medicine!!

Patient education must be in the fore front of our thoughts.
Hope all goes well
Soroush

Re: Digest Number 482

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2002 7:02 pm
by Tanya Marquette
where in the northeast are you? there are many people practicing

tanya

Re: Digest Number 482

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2002 1:06 am
by dontwurry
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Hi tanya.....we are in NorthEastern Mass. Heide
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Re: Digest Number 482

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2002 1:38 am
by Heide Strauss
OOPs sorry everyone.... I meant to reply to Sara personally and it mistakenly go sent here!! Heide
Heide Strauss wrote:
Sara, You DID kindly recommend the ultimate in Homeopathic treatment. I appreciate that...but don't you think since this is not an option for me right now, that a competent local homeopath would at the very least begin to do some good for my son? I am trying to work with what I have right now, these people seem to have a lot of knowledge (that I don't) and have given me some very helpful advice. You said yourself you used to practice the way they did.... you must have had SOME positive results? I am stuck between an incompetent homeopath, and a dream of someday working with the Canadians..... I cannot explain away checks written to Canada, I CAN account for payment to local therapists.... do you see my dilemma??? I need to do something... I am starting by finding out how exactly Homeopathy is supposed to be used, (talking to them, getting all the homeopathic books I can) and then connect my knowedge with someone who seems to be on the ball as far as homeopathic treatment goes. Why do you think they are confusing me? Everything I have read in REAL MEDICINE has enlightened me, and that will aide me in my initial search for a new homeopath. I have found one nearby who practices Hn ideas, and yet is very open to the ideas I presented to her.... but time will tell.... and if anyone at all can help us even minutely that is better than we stand now. TAke care Heide Heide Strauss wrote:
Hi
Ok then,,,, Can anyone recommend a competent homeopath in the northeastern area of the US??? thanks Heide
Finrod wrote:
Dear Heide

I think you have enough info now to decide whether your Homoeopath is
competent or NOT!

I think if you ask colleagues on this post, you will probably find another
Hom not too far and perhaps not as convenient as your present one!

Perhaps next time you meet this guy you should ask what is his justification
for the way he prescribes? From whom has he learnt this (madness)?

When Hn used placebo, I suspect it was because a lot people had got used to
taking a medicine every day and in fact I have seen it in some cultures
where the patient has been to see a medic and he has prescribed only one
medicine that the patient (often not well educated) would say well he did
not know much and has only prescribed one medicine!!

Patient education must be in the fore front of our thoughts.
Hope all goes well
Soroush

Re: Digest Number 482

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2002 3:02 am
by Dr. R. Swift
Heide,

There are a number of reasons for placebo.

1) Since we are waiting for the VF to react to the remedy, we need time to
observe the reaction. Many patients/clients would not be comfortable with
taking one dose and then doing nothing for a period of weeks. The placebo
keeps them involved and connected to the treatment because they are used to
the idea of taking medicine daily. Otherwise, they tend to go to other
therapies without giving the remedy a chance.

2) If they choose another therapy and they start feeling better, they
believe it is the new therapy and not the remedy they received weeks before.
They then continue with the non homeopathic treatment.

3) Those patients that "need" to take something will take drugs, etc. if
they don't have placebo.

Essentially, placebo buys the time necessary for the homeopath to evaluate
the reaction to the remedy and lessens the likelihood that the patient will
seek other modalities. The other benefit is that there is usually better
follow ups because people are in the habit of refilling their prescriptions
so when placebo runs out, they call for a follow up.

Of course, in educated and committed individuals, there is no need for
placebo.

hope this is useful

be well

russell swift, dvm.