Minutus

Hi Tanya,
In New Zealand, at the end of college, students go into internship, meaning practicing under supervision, for some time until they can present a certain number of successfully treated cases; only then can they apply for full registration as homeopaths.
This of course is voluntary as the profession is not yet registered and protected as are conventional medicine, chiropractic and osteopathy, but very few, if anyone, avoid this avenue.
Moreover we have a closed email discussion list providing support and help in case of need, to which a majority of practicing homeopaths and all students and interns belong.
It is quite frequent to have all of us work out a very complicated case through email, and the different methodologies, from Boenninghausen to Sankaran and Scholten are well represented, discussed, used comparatively, all for the learning experience of everyone and the eventual benefit of the patient.
And BTW, we have the same system in Herbalism and in Naturopathy.
Joe.
 
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
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That's great. I think US has the worst system of training still, despite the
sincere desires of schools to provide good training. We have a ways to go yet.
tanya
Hi Tanya,
In New Zealand, at the end of college, students go into internship, meaning practicing under supervision, for some time until they can present a certain number of successfully treated cases; only then can they apply for full registration as homeopaths.
This of course is voluntary as the profession is not yet registered and protected as are conventional medicine, chiropractic and osteopathy, but very few, if anyone, avoid this avenue.
Moreover we have a closed email discussion list providing support and help in case of need, to which a majority of practicing homeopaths and all students and interns belong.
It is quite frequent to have all of us work out a very complicated case through email, and the different methodologies, from Boenninghausen to Sankaran and Scholten are well represented, discussed, used comparatively, all for the learning experience of everyone and the eventual benefit of the patient.
And BTW, we have the same system in Herbalism and in Naturopathy.
Joe.
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Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com

Here in the states we now have almost 50% of all Homeopathic schools/programs teaching the sensation/scholten ideas to first year students. Theses are people with no previous Homeopathic background. So not only have they cut the majority of sound Homeopathic philosophy and theory out of their respective programs they are teaching it to people new to the science. In my opinion it should only be post-graduate work. But that is the slippery slope of regulation. Also here we are addicted culturally and programmed to only find something of value if it is "new".
The other part of the problem is that the people teaching the ideas in these schools are not qualified to do so. Many times they end up turning it into a doctrine of signatures/anthropomorphic, new agey failure. This has now turned out 2 bad clasess of "homeopaths". I have seen countless cases that were actually quite simple in their nature turned into an absolute mess because someone was searching for "something ever deeper", when in fact it was a clear cut case.
There is also no support after graduation here. And as Dr. Joe has said, these newer "ideas" are touted as a way to get deeper in the case quicker. I have never seen this be the case. Sankarans, Divya Chabra etc. their cases can be 3-4 hrs. long or more. So I have never heard them "upsell" their ideas as quicker. Only certain schools here in the states.
These ideas are very difficult to learn and to teach and in my opinion very difficult to master and maybe impossible to do so with no previous background in Homeopathy. Furthermore, they are in their infancy and being taught as if they were finalized. This is a major problem as the ideas are still in a great deal of flux. They may eventually lead to something in the future and that is how the current information should be approached.
This of course is why so many of these students are having such difficulties in taking/managing cases.

Rik
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD." wrote:

Rik,

If I could ask a question?

Since you are so concerned / critical of training in the US. Do you tutor ? Do you offer your time / assistance to NANHE ? Are you on the board of any homeopathic organization to address / help with any of the things you see as negatives in homeopathy in the US? For instance NASH or even on the board of a state association ?

I seem to recall your being critical to say the least about the CHC several months ago, have you spoken with anyone on the CHC board regarding your concerns? If not, why they are available.

It is so easy to sit on your A and criticize from behind a computer screen, Try offering to help! Of course, with your oh so helpful attitude / judgement, even organizations who desperately need help might think twice !

And before your turn on me. I have been the president of one of those organizations fort the last three years, before that I was VP. And, I also am on the HAA board, working to unite homeopathy all around the world .

Sue

Ahh Ms. Boyle,
You are a curious one aren't you? You just couldn't see the criticism as anything but negative could you. My previous post is more fact than negative criticism.
In response to your predictable post:
Yes I tutor, and have offered my time for over a decade free of charge to students and new Homeopaths. I have started and operated no less than 12 study groups (FL,NY MA,TX) in the last 19 yrs.I have never had any involvement beyond marketing/ up-selling through literature for NANHE.
You ask if I sit on a state board so that I might have some effect in addressing my concerns. I ask what state board addresses these concerns? It's a rhetorical question of course, as no board has any say in how any one of these schools runs it's business. Beyond that I have spoken and am in an ongoing dialogue with instructors/teachers/Homeopaths all over the world with regard to these concerns. And of course my goal is the quality and integrity of the Homeopathic process and it's clinical effects, not the "feel good bullshit of "uniting Homeopathy all over the world". The likes of you would push for and justify poor, horribly inept excuses in Homeopathy before you worked up the nerve to call someone a poor Homeopath.
My involvement with the CHC? Are you sure you want to go there?
And it would be impossible to not "turn on you", since you have no capacity for minding your own business. A bird on a wire you might say. So you say you have been the president of some organization. Are you comparing and contrasting our involvement in the Homeopathic community? Why? Are you interested in having a pissing contest?
It would seem that Homeopathy has gone to hell in a hand basket while you have done whatever it is that you think you are doing by "uniting Homeopathy worldwide". What a load of rubbish. It has never been more divided. And naive well wishers standing on the sidelines aren't going to make it any better. Quality of Homeopathic care and consistent results will make the difference.
How do you fit all of your awesomeness on one business card?
So the question to you is; What have you done to fix the problems stated in my previous post? Of course that is also a rhetorical question. So away with you and all of your chest pounding.
Rik
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Sue Boyle wrote:

Rik,

You've made me cry and hurt my poor little feelings.

Bye Bye

As always you are devoid of any constructive input whatsoever. Why not just answer the query? So much hot air and willingness to point the finger, but such a vacuum of relevance or substance.
Is it not enough that I treat using Homeopathy or that I treat Soldiers and military and their families pro bono, or that I voice legitimate concerns about the state of Homeopathic care? All I can do is practice and teach sound Homeopathic principles and theory, that's it. If you think you can do more or that in fact you do actually do more then please show us your secrets. Because if all you are capable of is using your mouth to get into the fray with no relevant meaning, then keep it to yourself.
So what exactly have you done to reverse the ever lower standards for Homeopathic education? Or are we to blessed with another one of your inane one liners?
Rik

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Sue Boyle wrote:

Dear Soroush
"Rik/RichardS writes:
"Are you interested in having a pissing contest?"
hereby please note that I take great exception to this kind of language on this list. There is no need for this kind of vulgarity.
Liz

I second that!

You can do it, but you mustn't acknowledge it. Sounds familiar, doesn't it!

John
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