Minutus

I wouldn't assume that it showed anything..........the treatment you were given was what they did for poliomyelitis symptoms at the time................but not a good treatment
All neurological and resulting muscular symptoms that result from toxic exposure

http://www.faqs.org/health/Sick-V3/Polio-Diagnosis.html
"The spinal fluid can be examined for an elevated level of white blood cells and the absence of bacteria. These two factors taken together are a strong indication of polio. "

a lot of assuming going on here, don't you think?

see how non-specific this all was?
In the poliomyelitis epidemic in North Carolina in 1948, 60 cases of this disease came under our care. These patients presented all or almost all of these signs and symptoms: Fever of 101 to 104.6°, headache, pain at the back of the eyes, conjunctivitis, scarlet throat; pain between the shoulders, the back of the neck, one or more extremity, the lumbar back; nausea, vomiting and constipation. In I5 of these cases the diagnosis was confirmed by lumbar puncture; the cell count ranging from 33 to 125. Eight had been in contact with a proven case; two of this group received spinal taps. Examination of the spinal fluid was not carried out in others for the reasons: (1) Flexner and Amoss had warned that "simple lumbar puncture attended with even very slight hemorrhage opens the way for the passage of the virus from the blood into the central nervous system and thus promotes infection." (2) A patient presenting all or almost all of the above signs and symptoms during an epidemic of poliomyelitis must be considered infected with this virus. (3) Routine lumbar puncture would have made it obligatory to report each case as diagnosed to the health authorities. This would have deprived myself of valuable clinical material and the patients of most valuable therapy, since they would have been removed to a receiving center in a nearby town.
Sheri

At 02:11 AM 3/2/2010, you wrote:
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Fancy putting people through a painful lumbar puncture for just that!!!!
In my area , many people got "polio". Some ended up crippled and in a wheel chair, others in an iron lung and one or two died. I always thought my parents were ahead of their times by not agreeing to any vaccinations during my childhood which is probably why I was left unscathed as my immune system was able to fight it!! The weekend I got the "polio" my sister suffered a very high fever and that was it. My parents always thought that this was her version of polio and that she gave it to me!!!
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath with The Society of Homeopaths
EFT (Advanced) Practitioner
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At 06:27 AM 3/2/2010, you wrote:
But she had it the same weekend - how did she give it to you.............yes it was how she reacted to whatever toxins were there and you got paralysis. That was your vital force, not necessarily your immune system.

If there is any way to look into DDT use where you were, I think you will find answers.
I did send some of the British info - did you see that?
Sheri
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Yes Sheri - I looked at it . But it is many years ago and IMO not worth spending time on!! What happened happened!!
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath with The Society of Homeopaths
EFT (Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

If DDT, why did the others living in same environment not come down with same illness?
(I assume you will answer "susceptibility.")

Why do you assume germs cannot cause illness?
The body is a warm, moist, nutrient-filled environment...
I appreciate your desire that we *read* the links you've sent, and perhaps it's not really useful to have the discussion *except* among those who have actually read it? Because otherwise it's debate between two frames of reference with apparently very little overlap, and little common basis of understanding. In what way is that likely to be useful?

I would love to hear, tho, just what it was that you *learned* from these folks, to change your mind? I assume it goes beyond "those symptoms can also be caused by toxins"--because of *course* they can. But the fact that horses and zebras both leave hoofprints, does not prove that either of them is imaginary... ?

Shannon

At 03:12 PM 3/2/2010, you wrote:
I'm sorry you felted insulted
I get very passionate with this because so much is built on the lie that polio is caused by a virus, that polio is contagious and that a vaccine was so successful.
All absolute lies and the smallpox lie and the vaccine lie and the polio/vaccine lie are what all of the lies for today's vaccines are based on.
It is a vital one to understand.

Not even all activists regarding vaccine dangers understand these.
But that doesn't make it a fact.
Read the info I gave you on pellegra - they thought that was infectious. What if the government had declared that infectious decades before and most research stopped, we would have a vaccine for that instead of the realization that came, after further research, that it was a Vitamin B deficiency.

Look at the case of something called SMON in Japan - same thing - so many similarities to polio - CALLEd infectious but because some perservered - found out it was a drug reaction (a toxin). See the information here - http://www.harpub.co.cc/smon.htm

Polio is the lie of a century, millenia. - see the above http://www.harpub.co.cc/smon.htm to see the comparisons

The drug companies are VILE and have been for quite some time now................and they will do and say anything (recent exposures of fake studies) and the virologists will do anything to keep their labs and positions after they failed in proving cancer as caused by a virus.

We all have to know history or we are doomed to repeat it - now who said that?

There is always deeper to go. I wasn't born knowing this stuff. I was a peds nurse, for god's sake.

Sheri

At 05:27 PM 3/2/2010, you wrote:
of course
I am talking about poliomyeltis here - NO one ever proved it was caused by a virus. No ONE
if people don't want to educate themselves on the other side then there can be no discussion
It always is a deeper learning when you can go to the source information and see for yourself
Sheri
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very different descriptions for incubation period after exposure for other illnesses

For polio...............huge range...........
They say the incubation period is as short as 4 days or as long as 35 days
Pretty strange don't you think? Pretty short as well as pretty long period of time in there
The time period can cover someone who was exposed to the toxin at a similar time period and just took a few days longer to exhibit symptoms or a later exposure
There is no proof showing it is connected

Sheri

At 07:03 PM 3/2/2010, you wrote:

Hi again Sheri!
Can't sleep - see what you've driven me to!!!:):)
I can understand that maybe - just maybe - polio is not caused by a specific virus, but I would still need to know that transmission had NOT occurred in the ways we have been talking about in order to actually believe that. And how can you know that? You can only go by figures given. Where the truth lies is difficult for us to find out.
What worried me was that I thought you were beginning to deny the existence of disease entities such as viruses (as there is a lot of argument about this currently). I have a personal reason to know that such things exist, and that an illness is not down to environmental causes:
I lived in Peru for seven years - never caught anything nasty as I observed scrupulous hygiene (never ate raw food out - never ate street food etc.) When my husband and I split up, I came back to the UK with the kids. Shortly before we left Peru (about a week) he took both kids away on holiday with him. The holiday was cut short because their host became ill with suspected - later confirmed - hepatitis A. We left Peru, came to the UK and stayed with my sister. About a week later, my 3 year-old started a fever - he was crotchety, tired and whiny but not really ill. I kept him on my lap (we were driving round looking at suitable houses for sale) and tried to get him to take in fluids (he was thirstless) In order to encourage him, I bought a can of Coke, and first I took a sip, then gave him a sip, then took one myself - so we shared the can and obviously our saliva.
The next day he peeed dark brown urine - I knew immediately what it was, and the doctor agreed. A couple of days later, my other son (5) went down with it. Neither was very ill, but I was very careful with hygiene - separate toilets, eating utensils, plates etc. all soaked in bleach in between meals and hottest possible wash for their sheets and towels.
Approximately 2 -3 weeks later, one evening, I felt fluey. The next day, brown pee. I had a blood test eventually, which confirmed Hep A - and I had it really badly! Thought I was going to die - was in bed for weeks, as weak as a kitten - out of it altogether for several days. I was really scared and it was the closest I've ever felt to death.
Anyway, my point being that as we had moved continents, there were obviously no environmental factors at play, simply person-to-person transmission. My sister and her husband never caught it - she kept up with the hygiene measures I had instigated. The kids were bouncing around again within 3 weeks - it took me until Christmas to get back my energy (it was August when we got ill).
So based on that experience, I would never accept that there is no such thing as a virus. Susceptibility is necessary - yes - but if you go down with something like Hep A there has to be a virus somewhere. It's not common in the UK except in travellers, so our experience is typical. The kids obviously picked it up in Peru and then passed it to me in the UK.
Liz

Yes - but there are always things that buck the trend. My younger son caught chicken pox from his French cousin, who had recovered and gone back to school (given the all-clear from his doctor - all scabs had fallen off). We were on holiday in France, and it took him about two weeks to go down with it. It's possible that he caught it from another child, but unlikely as he played with no other children apart from his cousin. And the fact that his cousin had recently been ill with it was the most probable link. So his cousin was still infectious, although received wisdom would say not.
Also, strange but possible, I myself have had measles twice - and the second time as an adult - was really ill.
So the variation in incubation I find perfectly normal. Look at my kids - they went down with Hep A within only 7-10 days after being in contact with it. It took me 2 or maybe 3 weeks (I think 3 more likely, as I was looking after them for quite a while before I felt ill myself)
Liz