Minutus

For a change the government (UK) has seen sense. The reply to the petition can be viewed from the following link
http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page21468
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

Hi Rochelle
I have just put this out to my other ARH group - not sure what to think. The government never sees sense - they only ever do something which will gain them something. I wonder what's behind it? I don't trust them.
Is it "You have to take a step backwards in order to jump better", as the French say?
The reply only speaks about vitamins and supplements as not going to be made prescription only. But it doesn't mention strength. They could simply say that it's fine to carry on selling supplements over the counter, but only up to maximum doses which they specify - and it'll be based on the RDA, which, as we all know, means nothing.
Liz

Having just seen quotes from that reply, I can only say what a bunch of hogwash. If you believe that
newspeak, then I have a bridge to sell you.
tanya

I am deeply suspicious!
Liz

So I am stupid to believe what is written there, that there will be no changes?
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

I wouldn't call you 'stupid,' but ignorant in the true sense of the word. You can change this easily
by reading up on the Codex more carefully.
Some people call me paranoid or a promoter of conspiracy theory--neither of which are true.
It is true that I believe that there are powerful forces in the world that are working for a one world
government that wields totalitarian control over most of us. The Codex comes out of this effort.
Further, the idea of the Codex came out of the survivors of the failed Nazi attempts. That effort
with its bold military steps was a failure; the new effort works more slowly and more subtley in
an attempt to slip control over the populace little inch by little inch. The Codex is designed to
do this, demanding that every country that signs onto it work to change national laws to comply.
It functions more as a trade agreement, building on the WTO, and focusing on food and drugs.
It is being written and promoted by Big Pharma, Big Chema, Big Agra, etc. Nothing they do is
evidence-based but strictly about what will give the most control and money to these industries.
Government spin needs to be understood within the context of Codex goals.
tanya

All I know is what I have read on our media list - here are two comments that were sent in:
Well, now we know a bit more about the spin that has been planned to hide the implementation of the Codex.
My understanding of the Codex documents is that they clearly call for the minimal and controlled availability of vitamins, minerals and herbs.
Further, while it is true any country does not have to sign onto the Codex, once they do, that country has the responsibility to change its laws to
comply with Codex. In other words, it works like a trade treaty--just like the WTO agreements. And we know what that agreement has done.

If you look at any good quality health food shop the quantity of supplements they have on the shelves has been drastically reduced,since this time last year, because from end of Decemeber they won't be permitted to sell certain ones. The shops all say the same thing, "oh the companies are well geared up for it and they're fine", but in that case, where are the products??? I believe pretty much all the suppliers have reduced their varieties substantially.

I must admit, other than Vit C or D or probiotics, I don't use much in the way of supplements for myself, rightly or wrongly. So I don't know, but will try and find out from Higher Nature. (Sigh..!)
By the way, have you watched the proceedings of the parliamentray Science and Tecnology Committee and their musings on homeopathy? Have a look - and weep! The link to watch this travesty of democracy is: http://www.parliamentlive.tv - you need to go to What's On - then choose this week, then select 25th November. There's more coming up next Monday too, when the line-up is 100% against homeopathy.
Liz

This may help - I wrote ANH on it early this month. I have a few more questions that will forward when received. I'm working on clarity of who is who among all the Codex and health freedom groups. There is NHF, oldest in the US, hold a seat in Codex, hear rep. now lives in Europe (not confirmed), then there is American Association for Health Freedom which I believe merged with Alliance for Natural Health (who replied below). There is Dr. Rath Foundation in the Netherlands. There is Natural Solutions Foundation, who don't hold a seat, I have the littlest trust here for several reasons. Then there is IAHF, struggling to continue work on the matter, is keen yet stressed, I'm learning more. So you can see it's a very convoluted world on who is generating information on this issue and health freedom, only some are for real & with right intention.
Liz

Dear Elizabeth

Thank you for your email. I understand your concern with regards to Codex Alimentarius, and the December 31st date and please know that you are not alone!

There is much misinformation going around about Codex, and that it is being implemented on the 31st December of this year. In actual fact, the 31st December 2009 is when the derogation period for vitamin and mineral forms not on the Positive List of the Food Supplements Directive ends. However, we are aware that many companies who are relying on derogations to allow continued sale have not actually put dossier applications into the Positive List and hence those forms of vitamins and minerals protected by derogations will be illegal come 1st January 2010. The Positive List is an open list meaning that companies can apply at any time and then require a positive opinion from the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA). The derogation period is part of the transition measures of the Food Supplements Directive which has lasted 4 years and ends at the end of this year.

This doesn't mean that all vitamin and mineral supplements will become unavailable other than through prescription as of the 1st January 2010, it just means that if particular supplements contain certain forms of a vitamin or mineral that are not on the Positive List then those supplements will have to be altered or become unavailable until that vitamin or mineral form is removed or replaced with a form that is on the Positive List.

Codex is not a law or actual legislation, it is a collection of guidelines and standards that can then be brought into the individual countries' statutory instruments. Codex is not new, it's been a part of regulatory reality since 1963 and therefore is not waiting to `be passed'. You will see from the information in our news item ( http://www.anhcampaign.org/news/codex-m ... -confusion ) that the reference to Codex becoming law this year is wholly and completely incorrect as there has been a mix up with a date that applies to the EU Food Supplements Directive. This is where the confusion comes from with regards to the Vitamins and Minerals.

One thing we can take action with is the European Commission and its efforts to limit the maximum available dosages of vitamin and mineral food supplements across the 27 Member States of Europe. The Alliance for Natural Health has a petition that you can sign at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/anh- ... trictions/

I hope this has helped clear things up a little!

Yours in health, naturally
Sophie Middleton
Campaign Administrator

Alliance for Natural Health
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Dorking, Surrey RH4 1XA
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