Minutus

Just had a call from student of homeopathy who has been self medicating. The description sure does sound like a proving - but since it is very very intense, I suggested it seemed prudent to be checked by her MD or at the emergency room. I have never participated in a proving and would appreciate input from those of you who have - just how intense was your experience of symptoms? I've certainly heard descriptions of long lasting symptoms, but do not remember asking specifically about intensity.

Thank you in advance for sharing your experience.

Donna

D C Rona, PhD, ND, DHM

Donna, it would be a great help here for anyone attempting to address this to know the nature of the remedy and its potency, form (dry? wet? unchanging or changing potency?), amount, and frequency.

Cheers --

John
2009/11/23 d_rona2000 >

well one thing about proving a remedy (as opposed to it healing or aggravating) is that new symptoms that relate
to the proving may show up. and the sx can be intense. it depends on sensitivity of the person. have you read the
remedy's proving?
tanya

Hello John,
Normally I would share more info – but in this case I can not. Must keep it on a very ‘general’ level. I believe I can say (on a general level) that it was dry dosing and frequently repeated.
Thank you for understanding.
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Harvey
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Proving????
Donna, it would be a great help here for anyone attempting to address this to know the nature of the remedy and its potency, form (dry? wet? unchanging or changing potency?), amount, and frequency.
Cheers --
John
2009/11/23 d_rona2000 >
Just had a call from student of homeopathy who has been self medicating. The description sure does sound like a proving - but since it is very very intense, I suggested it seemed prudent to be checked by her MD or at the emergency room. I have never participated in a proving and would appreciate input from those of you who have - just how intense was your experience of symptoms? I've certainly heard descriptions of long lasting symptoms, but do not remember asking specifically about intensity.

Thank you in advance for sharing your experience.

Donna

D C Rona, PhD, ND, DHM
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"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled."

— Plutarch

Hi, Donna --

I'm surprised you're restricted from giving the name or potency of the remedy -- even if it's Opium 6x or something else you have to be careful with, I see no legal problems in naming it. Regardless, I'm sure you're aware of Hahnemann's advice that only great trouble can come of frequent repetitions in unaltered potency, and certainly this list has been addressed before now with cases in which severe symptoms were evidently brought on by exactly such dosing. Real provings with middling potencies have often caused intense symptoms, but I recall none that endangered life. (I seem to recall some provings in low potencies -- under 12c -- that left provers with very long-lasting sequelae.) Provings of extremely toxic substances such as mercury and its salts and plutonium in any potency under 12c or 23x are highly inadvisable, as they may hasten the prover's death through cumulative irreversible damage. Beyond that, it may not be possible to say much, without further detail of what the student took.

Any other thoughts?

John
2009/11/23 d rona >

My understanding has been that sxs *can* be very intense indeed--depending on the remedy and sensitivity. Are her current symptoms entirely different from the reasons she was taking the remedy so frequently? (I.e. not simply progression of the disease?), and can you say anything about how long the overdosing continued, and how long since she's stopped, and whether any improvement since she's stopped?

Shannon

Thank you Shannon,

Unfortunately, I am unable to discuss any aspect of this situation – and may only ask about the experience of intensity of symptoms that may be part of a proving situation (which this sounds like to me). It was also my understanding that they could be severe, but not having that experience myself, I wanted to ask the list and get a better understanding and sense of the character of an extreme experience from those of you with this experience.

Thank you.
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Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 6:05 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Proving????
My understanding has been that sxs *can* be very intense indeed--depending on the remedy and sensitivity. Are her current symptoms entirely different from the reasons she was taking the remedy so frequently? (I.e. not simply progression of the disease?), and can you say anything about how long the overdosing continued, and how long since she's stopped, and whether any improvement since she's stopped?
Shannon
Hello John,
Normally I would share more info – but in this case I can not. Must keep it on a very ‘general’ level. I believe I can say (on a general level) that it was dry dosing and frequently repeated.
Thank you for understanding.
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@ yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Harvey
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:42 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Proving????
Donna, it would be a great help here for anyone attempting to address this to know the nature of the remedy and its potency, form (dry? wet? unchanging or changing potency?), amount, and frequency.
Cheers --
John
2009/11/23 d_rona2000 >
Just had a call from student of homeopathy who has been self medicating. The description sure does sound like a proving - but since it is very very intense, I suggested it seemed prudent to be checked by her MD or at the emergency room. I have never participated in a proving and would appreciate input from those of you who have - just how intense was your experience of symptoms? I've certainly heard descriptions of long lasting symptoms, but do not remember asking specifically about intensity.

Thank you in advance for sharing your experience.

Donna

D C Rona, PhD, ND, DHM
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"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled."

— Plutarch

I haven't had the experience, thankfully, but have *heard* of proving symptoms being intense enough that the person went to have them checked. So far as I remember, they were sent home with a clean bill of health, tho still suffering. In gather that usually proving symptoms fade quickly on their own, but occasionally another remedy will be used to antidote.
Shannon

Donna,

I have taken part in 4 provings. Mostly I am a very hyposensitive person, no sx worth a darn came up, but with one I had sxs so severe I went to the kitchen and made a pot of coffee at 2 a.m. ! The same sx returned two days later but were much milder the second time. Have the student drink coffee or try camphor. My roommate went to a Hindu ceremony after taking a remedy and the camphor that was burned totally wiped out her remedy, so it is possible to mess up even a well chosen remedy.

Sue

I wonder if camphor situation is similar to dental work, where it will antidote if within a certain time after taking the remedy? I have had dental drilling *not* antidote (many times), and I have had it do so (three times), and the difference was how long after taking the remedy. For me, two weeks seems to be the "magic window", but i don't know whether that would apply generally or not.

I also had an episode where I (forgot about the camphor problem) and burnt ceremonial camphor for about 6 hours, with no ill effect whatever--but that was I think weeks or even months after taking it. Do you happen to know whether she had taken her remedy recently before the ceremony?

Shannon