Nit ac and Nat mur

[Carol Orr]

Can someone explain the difference between the nit-ac's "long continued
animosity toward those who have offended him", and Nat Mur's "hatred toward
those that have injured them"?

[John Harvey]

Hmm. One could find fine semantic differences between hatred and animosity, and between offence and injury, but it doesn't seem to me that on the basis of the words used one could pick a difference with any reliability. If a patient described such an animosity or a hatred on the basis of some past wrong, I definitely would not exclude either remedy as contenders on the basis of that expression...

Cheers --

John
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[Joy Lucas]

In Nitric acid (as with all the acids) we have the theme of separation and the need to re-create a fusion of the separate ends - to complete the circle. This is a fulfillment versus disappointment.
The separation can be from a relationship, or career, or country, or anything where a mutual or one sided dependency is evident and where the chance of fulfilment is threatened. It is often a sudden separation. This constant threat makes them very pessimistic, anxious and fearful.
There is constant chaos, processing, thinking, organising, cleaning = a form of irresolution which you get with all the acids - never completing, never getting the ends of the separated circle to join up, but going round and round and round, forever "twirling."
I have always likened this irresolution to the fizzing and bubbling that many acids can produce (especially when added to water) - forever shifting - bubbles making room for even more bubbles (bubbles = circles). This is all about expansion. They could be living a life which is not allowing them to expand and be fulfilled. Nitric acid suffocates and constricts.
When Nitric acid is scorned in any way (when a separation is enforced) they burn, hurt, explode, can become really nasty and irritable in the extreme. But if they are cherished and loved they can have enormous sympathy for others who are suffering. But if constricted and not allowed to enjoy life and expand we then have the typical and well known remedy picture of Nitric Acid.
Separation and cracking is evident throughout this remedy on a physical plane as well. Blisters, fissures, ulcers, cracks, acridity, decay, cracking noise in ears when chewing, cracking in the jaws; craves fat and salt (when you put these 2 ingredients together when cooking you get a separation); ankles crack when walking; nails distorted and cracked; tongue fissured. Much more of a haemorrhagic rx then Nat mur.
So it is a degree or extremes with these 2 remedies. Nat mur is too well known I think to add more about it but the disappointment is usually there as a causative factor but the expression of sx are more likely to take on an introverted stance but still hanging onto the cause they will go on to express sx further, i.e. physical ones but feelings of revenge may also develop but will still be expressed with some hesitancy. they become stiff with emotions and body expressions.
Both remedies can be extremely sympathetic to others although with Nit-ac I would say it is more self centred than with Nat mur and Nit-ac will feel sympathy when they themselves are feeling able to be so, doesn't come too naturally.
Always use the physical expression of an illness to compare remedies if the emotional ones seem similar but the 2 rx make a useful comparison to study.
Joy
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[Shannon Nelson]

I think the behaviors would be different? Pushing the semantic envelope (shaky, I admit), I *think* that animosity implies behavior which *expresses* the negative feelings toward the person--and the typical Nit-ac person / picture is known for being very expressive of their negative feelings!!; whereas Nat-mur's "hatred", I am tentatively thinking, would tend to be more internalized, might not be expressed much at all?

Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

Joy, that's a beautiful differential, thank you!! It helps me to clarify some aspects of Nit-ac I've always puzzled over; I esp. like your distinction between how Nit-ac can become if life "compresses" and doesn't nurture them, vs. how they can become if they are cherished. That's so clear, and makes sooooo much sense!!
Thanks,

Shannon

[Elham Mohajer]

Difference between Nit-ac and Nat-m.
When studying medicines we need to understand the difference between symptoms and states. Dr. Hahnemann usually looked at the mental state rather than individual symptoms. For example if look at the symptom weeping when narrating her symptoms we may find remedies such as Puls, Sepia, Kali-c, Medo etc. But when we look at the mental state of these remedies we find Puls is mild and yielding, Sepia is indifferent Kali-c has a great sense of duty and Medo can be a bragart going to extremes. So even though we have the same symptom we find the patients quite different.
In Nat-m and Nit-ac even though they have the same symptom their mental states are quite different. Nat-m is an introvert who avoids showing emotions even if she hates someone whe may never show it. Nit-ac can on the other hand be quite angry and when angry with someone they go out of their way to show their anger.
But a better way of differentiating betwen medicines is looking at symptoms at another level. Thus for example if you find two remedies having the same mental symptoms avoid differentiating on the mental level that will just take too much time and you may end up giving the wrong medicine. Go to the generals of the medicine and differentiate there.
Nit-ac is chilly Nat-m is hot
In 95 percent cases Nit-ac desires fat and Nat-m has aversion to fat.
They both crave salt.
In Nit-ac you will usually (around 60 percent cases) find offensive urine.
Nat-m cannot tolerate the Sun.
So on and so forth
Best regards
Elham

[Liz Brynin]

Thank you for those notes on Nit. Ac. They are illuminating.
Liz

[Dale Moss]

I second what John says. With two remedies like Nat-m. and Nit-ac. that harbor ill will toward those offending them, you'd differentiate between them on the basis of other symptoms making up the total picture. Having said that, I'd expect Nit-ac. to be a bit more vengeful in its approach to a perceived wrong (and perhaps quicker to perceive one), whereas Nat-m. would be more likely to brood about the unjustness of the wrong, without necessarily taking any action against the perpetrator.
But in the wonderful world of homeopathy, so full of polarities and contradictory symptoms, such differentiations are only suggestions, not hard & fast rules.
Peace,
Dale

[Liz Brynin]

Absolutely! Generals must always agree - otherwise, however many other sx agree, it is not the right remedy.
Liz

[Vera Resnick]

Thanks for this discussion. I have a px who at first seemed like she needed Nat-M, it helped a lot but when i gave Nit-Ac the reaction was magical. This person grew up in a violent household, where verbal interactions were often nasty, although she herself is usually very pleasant and caring.

Vera
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