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Aph 56 - Organon 6

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:42 pm
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Hn is strongly anti ISOPATHY as can be seen here.

But what about the modern experience with isopathy? Can it be discounted?

§ 56 Sixth Edition

By means of this palliative (antipathic, enantiopathic) method, introduced according to Galen’s teaching "Contraria contrariis" for seventeen centuries, the physicians hitherto could hope to win confidence while they deluded with almost instantaneous amelioration. But how fundamentally unhelpful and hurtful this method of treatment is (in diseases not running a rapid course) we shall see in what follows. It is certainly the only one of the modes of treatment adopted by the allopaths that had any manifest relation to a portion of the sufferings caused by the natural disease; but what kind of relation? Of a truth the very one (the exact contrary of the right one) that ought carefully to be avoided if we would not delude and make a mockery of the patient affected with a chronic disease1.

1 A third mode of employing medicines in diseases has been attempted to be created by means of Isopathy, as it is called - that is to say, a method of curing a given disease by the same contagious principle that produces it. But even granting this could be done, yet, after all, seeing that the virus is given to the patient highly potentized, and consequently, in an altered condition, the cure is effected only by opposing a simillimum to a simillimum.

To attempt to cure by means of the very same morbific potency (per Idem) contradicts all normal human understanding and hence all experience. Those who first brought Isopathy to notice, probably thought of the benefit which mankind received from cowpox vaccination by which the vaccinated individual is protected against future cowpox infection and as it were cured in advance. But both, cowpox and smallpox are only similar, in no way the same disease. In many respects they differ, namely in the more rapid course and mildness of cowpox and especially in this, that is never contagious to man by more nearness. Universal vaccination put an end to all epidemics of that deadly fearful smallpox to such an extent that the present generation does no longer possess a clear conception of the former frightful smallpox plague.

Moreover, in this way, undoubtedly, certain diseases peculiar to animals may give us remedies and thus happily enlarge our stock of homœopathic remedies.

But to use a human morbific matter (a Psorin taken from the itch in man) as a remedy for the same itch or for evils arisen therefrom is ---- ?

Nothing can result from this but trouble and aggravation of the disease.
Regards

Soroush

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Re: Aph 56 - Organon 6

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:46 pm
by Ruby
Hi
Soroush!
Although I use Isopathy, I will admit that even though Staphylotoxinum healed over boils from an MRSA Staph infection, they kept breaking out - on two week intervals. Only Anthraxicum totally healed the repetitious and continuous breakouts. So, I guess my experience would say that Isopathy Treats, but Homeopathy Heals. So, I agree with his observations.
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Re: Aph 56 - Organon 6

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:13 pm
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
He clearly differentiates the same morbific potency (idem) (i.e the crude matter IMO) and the one modified by potentisation, which he seems to call a Simillimum.

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Re: Aph 56 - Organon 6

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:25 pm
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
And as Ruby wrote, in my personal experience, isopathic remedies do help remove actual pathologies when an agent is found, be it viral, bacterial or toxic, but does not achieve the deep, total cure we look for.

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Re: Aph 56 - Organon 6

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:15 am
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Dear Joe
Dr Smit uses potentised vaccines as his first line of attack and reckons that unless one uses the potentised vaccine first and then follow by the 'constitutional' remedy, the constitutional remedy does not work well.
Have you had similar experiences?
Rgds
Soroush

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And as Ruby wrote, in my personal experience, isopathic remedies do help remove actual pathologies when an agent is found, be it viral, bacterial or toxic, but does not achieve the deep, total cure we look for.

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Re: Aph 56 - Organon 6

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:22 pm
by Theresa Partington
my interpretation of the aphorism would be that giving the isopathic remedy in crude potency would be obviously daft and you have to go for a similar e.g. the product of an animal disease. From this quote I would say he was in favour of the cowpox vaccination.....
I would say he has left the door open as to whether an isopathic product in potency would be acceptable.
I wonder if different translations would indicate differently?
Theresa

Re: Aph 56 - Organon 6

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:12 pm
by Joy Lucas
I think the fact that he says "nothing can result from this but trouble and aggravation of the disease' does not = an open door at all :-)

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Re: Aph 56 - Organon 6

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:21 pm
by Shannon Nelson
I don't recall him saying that isopathy is an acceptable *basis* for a *homeopathic* prescription--but it certainly leaves the door open to the idea (fully borne out by experience) that a *potentized* version of the isode may be *homeopathic* to the case--"if symptoms agree", as we like to say. :-)

And in that case the isode is also homeopathic, no problem...
Shannon

Re: Aph 56 - Organon 6

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:33 pm
by Joy Lucas
Well that's a contradiction but where does he salute isopathy and incorporate it into the definition of homeopathy - he already mocks it by saying the effect is only by "opposing a simillimum to a simillimum"

In § 57 next he goes on to show an alignment of that ridiculous method of treatment with the antipathic method, i.e. an example of the employment of medicines in a one sided manner = not only mere palliation but then the disease goes onto a much << aggravation.
You always seem keen to transmogrify homeopathy

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Re: Aph 56 - Organon 6

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:41 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Joy, honestly I do not understand why these days you are determined to take everything I write in the worst possible way??? I thought I was only stating the obvious: that if the *symptoms* call for the remedy made from (what is presumed to be) the isode--the thing that caused the problem--e.g. if someone presumed to be suffering from mercury poisoning is also displaying symptoms of mercurius, such that a homeopath who knew *nothing* of the presumed poisoning, but was proceeding only on basis of the symptom picture, would prescribe mercurius, then it should be given. The fact that it might also be seen as an isode does not negate its homeopathicity.

From what I was taught, this is not *usually* what happens; *usually* the effect of the poisoning interacts with the person's broader, preexisting susceptibility, giving rise to a symptom picture which calls for a different remedy; usually a homeopathic response will address susceptibility, as well as "the story." But sometimes the isode is also the homeopathic remedy.

Which part of this are you disagreeing with, and in what way do you see this as an effort to "transmogrify homeopathy"?

Shannon
(baffled again)