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Lanthanide rxs made radionically? [was: Med Proving - was - In defense of secrecy -was HIV AIDS treatments.. .etc

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 am
by Shannon Nelson
Re whether the Lanthanide remedies are being made radionically, certainly each pharmacy can tell us the method of manufacture of each remedy they sell! I just checked Hahnemann Labs' remedy list, and they have many of the Lanthanide remedies listed as having been made by them, which I am quite certain means they have been made through trituration. They have never made remedies radionically in the past, and I'd be beyond startled if they were doing so now! I've sent them an email to check, but am quite certain what their answer will be.

I recall at least *one* Lanthanide remedy which decays too quickly to triturate (Promethium, I think?), but most (nearly all) of the others should not present any such problem. It should be easy to verify from the labs!

Shannon
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Re: Lanthanide rxs made radionically? [was: Med Proving - was - In defense of secrecy -was HIV AIDS treatments.. .etc

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:49 am
by Chris_Gillen
Cesium phosphate and Aurum fluor (not Lanthanides) don't exist in nature, they're too unstable. They can't hold together long enough for a homoeopathic preparation to be made.
It would be worth checking with pharmacies if they are compounding *potentized* substances together like in a combination remedy, rather than pharmaceutically preparing true chemical bonds according to Hahnemann's protocol. Has anyone enquired about this?
Some old posts from JW...
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Re: [Minutus] Scholten's Works

At 7:03 AM +0000 1/19/04, Finrod wrote:

A good deal is theoretical.
Many of the compounds he suggests are not possible to make because of
the volatility of the compounds.
I KNOW that some pharmacies offer them but I think that they are
compounding the remedies in POTENCY (i.e., Ferrum and Phosphorus--
not a real example) instead of making it from the chemical compound
of Ferrum Phos.
I know one Pharmacy in the states who was selling some of the
impossible Sholten remedies was making them radionically-- and was
told to cease and desist by the FDA.

JW
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Re: [Minutus] Scholten's Works

At 2:31 PM -0600 1/19/04, Bob&Shannon wrote:

They were found to be radionic after Mike Quinn sold some to people
who complained that they didn't work.
Now the usual answer for "it didn't work" is "take the case again" or
"try a different potency." But it seems that it was only THESE
remedies that were being complained about by otherwise good
prescribers.
It was then that Mike learned that his supplier were making them radionically.

I don't know if the machine was one which used dialed frequencies or
geometric cards.

JW
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Re: Lanthanide rxs made radionically? [was: Med Proving - was - In defense of secrecy -was HIV AIDS treatments.. .etc

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:07 am
by Joy Lucas
You can only purchase Promethium as chloride/muriaticum (I think?)

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

Re: Lanthanide rxs made radionically? [was: Med Proving - was - In defense of secrecy -was HIV AIDS treatments.. .etc

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:23 am
by Rochelle
My homeopath has the full set so I will check up on that today when I see her.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

Re: Lanthanide rxs made radionically? [was: Med Proving - was - In defense of secrecy -was HIV AIDS treatments.. .etc

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:29 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Re the radionically prepared ones made "of" nonexistent substances :-) I'd assume the problem was not that they were radionically prepared (plenty of people's experience is that in general these *do* work), but rather that they were imaginary to begin with--attempting to represent something that doesn't exist. ? But, I'm just speculating!
Shannon
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Re: Lanthanide rxs made radionically? [was: Med Proving - was - In defense of secrecy -was HIV AIDS treatments.. .etc

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:17 pm
by Shannon Nelson
I see Helios has that one (and only that one)--but now I'm more confused...

I went back to check that it *was* Promethium that should be unavailable, and Scholten indeed says: "Promethium is not found on earth, due to its radioactive decay. ... [It] is still recovered from the by-proudcts of uranium fission ...."

BUT in the next sub-section, 7.1 Promethium metallicum, he continues: "Promethium originally didn't exist on earth because it's too radioactive. ... Promethium is used in batteries..."

By contrast, there's plenty of reference to it on the web! E.g., from http://www.webelements.com/promethium/: "promethium metal is available commercially so it is not normally necessary to make it in the laboratory.... Pure promethium is available through the reduction of PmF3 with calcium metal."

Wikipedia talks about properties and half-lives of it in metal form, and also of various of its salts. Both sites note that it is not found *in the Earth's crust*, which may be where the idea comes from that it is "not found naturally on the earth"?? Both note that its longest-lived isotope is 17+ years.

So I was quite mistaken in calling it "imaginary", and remedy certainly *could* be made from it, tho I assume it would be expensive to obtain, and triturating a highly radioactive substance... well, there's some challenge there...

Just for fun, here are some more interesting notes from http://www.lenntech.com/periodic-chart- ... /pm-en.htm: "Promethium is a rare-earth metal that emits beta radius. It is very radoiactive and rare, so it is little studied: its chemical and physical properties are not well defined. Promethium salts have a pink or red colour that coluors the surroundings air with a pale blue-green light.

Applications

Most promethium is used for research purpose. It can be used as beta radiation source in luminous paint, in nuclear batteries for guided missiles, watches, pacemakers and rados, and as a light source for signals. It is possible that in future it will be used as portable X-ray source.

Promethium in the environment

Promethium dose occurs in the Earth's crust in tiny amounts in some uranium ores. It is not stable so it undergoes radioactive decay. All the promethium which might once have existed on Earth when it formed would have vanished within 10000 years.

Health effects of promethium

Promethium has no role to play on living things and is slightly dangerous because of its intense radioactivity. Test on animals showed that it become localized on the surface of bones from which it can be only slowly removed.
Environmental effects of promethium

Promethium is practically non-existent in nature, so it poses no threat to the environment. It has to be haldled carefully because of its high radioactivity."

So we should at some point be able to get triturated Promethium remedies, and it sounds like a picture that would find use...

Shannon