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In defense of secrecy -was HIV AIDS treatments.. .etc

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:09 am
by Ananda Ruchira
Dear all,

"Iquilai" is the branded name Drs Jan S & Leo vanGelder have given their product for the market. Its among the Lanthanides.

If you'll read in the Lanthides book, you'll find references to HIV/AIDS. I know IQUILAI is made from that element mentioned (I prefer not to mention here in this email) but I don't know which exact mineral compound it is (ie element+???? ) . That's as far as I know.

Joy wrote:
IMORR (In-my-Opinion-Rambling-Rant):
In defense of "secrecy"

First of all: there is no secrecy. Jan has published his book.
Secondly: DISCLAIMER: I certainly can't speak for Drs Scholten or vanGelder, but I'm giving my own perspective using "Iquilai" as the example.

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In todays world there are a few "big" diseases that at the top of the Big Pharma's list in their drive to monopolize the world.

We know 3 of them from the recent BBC's WHO debacle. =Malaria, HIV & TB.
Right now BigP is experimenting with the success or failure of "Swine Flu epidemic". BigPharma is aware that homeopaths are treating malaria by the THOUSANDS in Africa. They don't want this kind of competition.

Now, I ask you, if you found a cure/treatment for any of these, would you want your efforts, the money you put into research & marketing, etc to be stolen by some enterprising BigP or others?

For Example: Here in Kenya, the present bill on Traditional medicine before the Parliment goes into great detail about the protection of intellectual property rights (patent) and the exploitation & development of herbal medicines. But it only mentions herbalists twice- once to say that they should be regulated, another to say - "they will cooperate to give their knowledge to the researchers". In other words, The law is being framed to give the only work of herbalists as not to practice their calling per se, but to hand over all they know to others who can exploit their knowledge???? How does this protect them and their profession- now and future?

Those of us practicing in Africa are very aware of the potential for "epidemic" prescribing with homeopathy in nearly every sphere of acute disease. It's very very possible to develop a product for mass distribution. The Cubans have demonstrated the potential with their history-making anti-leptospirosis rx treating 2,2million people at a go. (Ironically, even if they capitalized & did patent and sell their product, it would make only 1/10th as much as the less effective vaccination)

Volunteer provings & publishing are homeopathy's tradition. Traditionally, patenting is virtually impossible. In today's world, provings are insufficient if one wants to demonstrate to the larger world the effectiveness of a remedy.

Now, just to do the smallest research of a remedy (or potential product), or just demonstrate a remedy to, eg, a government for registering it, can cost thousands of $. Again, to register a product for mass distribution costs another $$$'s. To advertise it in the media costs another $$$'s. How will someone recoup that expense? It's not as if there's a large body that will invest money in homeopathic research. Mostly its out of personal pocket.

Moreover, reader, think about this - if to raise the funds to do a research, to advertise, etc one may have to depend on biz partners. Even if the homeopath is completely altruistic with his/her intellectual property rights, those investing with him aren't. They want a return on their investment.

While many (homeopaths) have interest to do such research, no one comes forward with the money. And those who have money (donors, BigP) aren't interested in homeopathic research.

And, eg, others who have both- interest in homeopathy and research- want a return on their investment. How would you manage that?

I know. I've been trying for the last 3-4 years to raise money for a particular research.

(And ironically, lack of so-called "legit" research is the soft, exposed underbelly of homeopathy- the one that gets attacked again and again. And still homeopaths are resisting getting involved in such research.)

For example in Jan Scholtens case- he HAS PUBLISHED his work on Lanthanides and within that book its mentioned re: HIV/AIDS. Its not a secret (at least as far as the cost of the book) That is the knowledge readily available to homeopaths. And there is nothing to stop any homeopath from using that knowledge or developing their own ideas out of it.

However, he has gone a step further to refine his work and develop a "product". Something that can be marketed IF it has the research to back it up. That research cost $. Why shouldn't he try to protect that capital investment and intellectual property?
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Now, having finished my rambling rant - if there's anyone out there who genuinely wants to support an invaluable research project, please contact me!!!! I'm still trying to raise the funds!!!
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Re: In defense of secrecy -was HIV AIDS treatments.. .etc

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:19 pm
by Rochelle
Thanks Didi,
I'll look in the book and see which Lanthanide is mentioned. It feels better to me to think it is a Lanthanide +??? rather than a mixture of all the Lanthanides. I don't think any of the Lanthanides have actually been proved. We just have clinical observations.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

Re: In defense of secrecy -was HIV AIDS treatments.. .etc

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:42 pm
by Joy Lucas
If no secrecy Didi then just mention the element - better not to spread confusion.

Does anyone have Jan's book to say which ones have been proved. He declined to tell me when I asked :-)
Joy

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Re: In defense of secrecy -was HIV AIDS treatments.. .etc

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:11 pm
by Rochelle
I have the book.
Lanthanum = meditative proving- 1 prover !!!!!
Cerium - Med, proving - 43 provers
Praseodynum - Med proving- 58 provers
Praseodynum Phos - Med proving- 11 provers
Neodymium - Med proving - 1 prover!!!
Promethium Mur - Med proving - 3 provers
Samarium Oxy - Med Proving- 64 provers
Europium Oxy - Med P. - 1 prover!!
Gadolinum - Med P - 27 provers
Terbium - Med P- 11provers
Dysprosium - Med P - 1 prover!!
Holmium - Med P - 1 prover!!
Erbium - Med P - 1 prover Dream Proving - 7 proversw
Thulium - Med P- 1 prover
Thulium Carb - 1 prover while titurating to 3C
Ytterbium - Med P - 1 prover!!
Lutetium - Med P - 1 Prover!!
Lutetium Fl Med P - 44 provers
In all cases the proving given are just a few lines.
I have to add I have had success in a couple of cases using these Rx . I am not talking about cure but cessation of symptoms.
I am on my 3rd Lanthanide Rx. The forst got rid of a symptom ( sensation of lump in right side of throat when empty swallowing) I had had for a year or so. It got worse, travelled downand to the other side and then disappeared for good. The second Rx, lowered my blood sugar dramatically, The third - current Rx - well I see my homeopath next week.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

Re: In defense of secrecy -was HIV AIDS treatments.. .etc

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:39 pm
by Joy Lucas
Thanks Rochelle. Although there is nothing wrong with there just being 1 prover I have very little interest or faith in meditative provings. Such paucity of proving information is a waste.

Does the book give any reason for there not being hahnemannian provings or why med provings were chosen.

Joy

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Re: In defense of secrecy -was HIV AIDS treatments.. .etc

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:52 am
by Robyn
I read that it is a Lanthanide complex.

Remedia sell two lanthanide complexes, maybe it is one of those.
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If no secrecy Didi then just mention the element - better not to spread confusion.
Does anyone have Jan's book to say which ones have been proved. He declined to tell me when I asked :-)
Joy
http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/
Thanks Didi,
I'll look in the book and see which Lanthanide is mentioned. It feels better to me to think it is a Lanthanide +??? rather than a mixture of all the Lanthanide! s. I don't think any of the Lanthanides have actually been proved. We just have clinical observations.
Rochelle

Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk