Tinctures: was Swine flu/tinctures
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:40 pm
So far as I remember from lectures, the % of plant material used based on the calculation of its moisture content.
There is a definite method of producing the tincture vis-a-vis amount of plant material and alcohol.
Rgds
Soroush
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Sent: 04 August 2009 12:54
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Hi - it's not really confusing...just a bit surprising! A tincture is a product of plant and solvent (e.g calendula +vodka) . How strong it is is a matter of the formula and varies from pharmacy to pharmacy. In the interests of standardisation various pharmacopeia have been created. There is no obligation to stick to them for herbalists except that practitioners like to know how strong something is. Herbalists will further dilute or mix these depending on what they are, or not in some cases. We have our own pharmacopeia with our own rules but we still end up with tinctures. We only call them mother tinctures because generally we use them as a base for the creation of potentised diluted remedies (first step 1c or 1x) and using succussion. The only difference between a herbal tincture and our mother tincture is one of recipe. That might be a big difference if different parts of the plant are used or might not. To find out for sure you would have to compare recipes. Whether live organic plants are used might be a difference as well.
Generally the strengths of our mts are stronger than herbal tinctures unless they are particularly strong (look at the label). Mostly the mts we use are ones that have a herbal usage (the others just stay in the cupboard at helios waiting for a new round of potentisation and dilution to be needed) and generally (not always) the usage is the same. Sometimes herbalists only use 1 drop of a tincture sometimes much more. Traditionally we only go up to 20 a day max.even with low toxicity stuff like Crataegus. Sometimes we should use much less than that or we are going where herbalists fear to tread! However, those are the MTs that might be harder to lay our hands onl
French MTs that they base their potentised remedies on are much 'weaker' in molecular terms although by the time they are further diluted and potentised i wonder what practical difference it makes.
The use of the word mother is a homeopathic one I believe but they are only different from herbal in recipe basically.
Commenting on Liz's email: the reason that we use more diluted tinctures is because that is what we do, what Hahnemann started off doing. Less is more and so on. There are just a very few cases where the homeopathic standard dosages are the same or more than the herbal because of the toxicity of the plant. I felt people should be aware of these cases rather than following Boericke blindly. Some of his prescriptions are pretty dangerous...Not many.
If your college pointed out that hom tinctures are often stronger than herbal then good for them. Most at the time were telling people that if in doubt they could use hom tinctures because they were weaker! However, my article was some years ago and I imagine the teaching may have been modified since it appeared. If it hasn't I really do despair! Will send article privately.
Theresa
Rochelle wrote
agree and I also thought an MT was an MT until I phoned Helios!! So we go back to what is the difference between an MT and an HT!! A pharmacopeia is used by both to make up the tinctures.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
There is a definite method of producing the tincture vis-a-vis amount of plant material and alcohol.
Rgds
Soroush
________________________________
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Theresa Partington
Sent: 04 August 2009 12:54
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:Fw: Re:Fw: Re:Fw: [Minutus] Re: was Swine flu/tinctures
Hi - it's not really confusing...just a bit surprising! A tincture is a product of plant and solvent (e.g calendula +vodka) . How strong it is is a matter of the formula and varies from pharmacy to pharmacy. In the interests of standardisation various pharmacopeia have been created. There is no obligation to stick to them for herbalists except that practitioners like to know how strong something is. Herbalists will further dilute or mix these depending on what they are, or not in some cases. We have our own pharmacopeia with our own rules but we still end up with tinctures. We only call them mother tinctures because generally we use them as a base for the creation of potentised diluted remedies (first step 1c or 1x) and using succussion. The only difference between a herbal tincture and our mother tincture is one of recipe. That might be a big difference if different parts of the plant are used or might not. To find out for sure you would have to compare recipes. Whether live organic plants are used might be a difference as well.
Generally the strengths of our mts are stronger than herbal tinctures unless they are particularly strong (look at the label). Mostly the mts we use are ones that have a herbal usage (the others just stay in the cupboard at helios waiting for a new round of potentisation and dilution to be needed) and generally (not always) the usage is the same. Sometimes herbalists only use 1 drop of a tincture sometimes much more. Traditionally we only go up to 20 a day max.even with low toxicity stuff like Crataegus. Sometimes we should use much less than that or we are going where herbalists fear to tread! However, those are the MTs that might be harder to lay our hands onl
French MTs that they base their potentised remedies on are much 'weaker' in molecular terms although by the time they are further diluted and potentised i wonder what practical difference it makes.
The use of the word mother is a homeopathic one I believe but they are only different from herbal in recipe basically.
Commenting on Liz's email: the reason that we use more diluted tinctures is because that is what we do, what Hahnemann started off doing. Less is more and so on. There are just a very few cases where the homeopathic standard dosages are the same or more than the herbal because of the toxicity of the plant. I felt people should be aware of these cases rather than following Boericke blindly. Some of his prescriptions are pretty dangerous...Not many.
If your college pointed out that hom tinctures are often stronger than herbal then good for them. Most at the time were telling people that if in doubt they could use hom tinctures because they were weaker! However, my article was some years ago and I imagine the teaching may have been modified since it appeared. If it hasn't I really do despair! Will send article privately.
Theresa
Rochelle wrote
agree and I also thought an MT was an MT until I phoned Helios!! So we go back to what is the difference between an MT and an HT!! A pharmacopeia is used by both to make up the tinctures.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk