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CURE

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:55 am
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Dear John
This was excellent thank you!
Now you had mentioned that other methods of practice had managed to Cure. Do they manage it as per below - or is it symptomatic treatment.
You mentioned TCM as being curative. Is that really the case? Or are there a lot of suppression? So as soon as you stop taking the combinations prescribed, the sx come back.
Rgds
Soroush

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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Harvey
Sent: 23 July 2009 00:39
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Recommended Reading
My thought exactly. And § 2. But the meat of his meaning is found in "Nature of Chronic Diseases", in Chronic Diseases.

From page 26, 1976 Jain edition (summing up the previous few pages' discussion of the failure of homoeopathy to maintain its effect in certain chronic illnesses):

"This was, and remained, the quicker or slower process in such treatments in all non-venereal, severe chronic diseases, even when these were treated in exact accordance with the Homoeopathic art as hitherto unknown. Their beginning was promising, the continuation less favourable, the outcome hopeless."

And from page 76:

"In the chronic miasmatic diseases nature observes the same course with respect to the mode of contagion and the antecedant formation of the internal disease, before the external declarative symptoms of its internal completion manifests itself on the surface of the body, but then that great remarkable difference from the acute diseases shows itself, that in the the chronic miasmata the entire internal disease, as we have mentioned before, remains in the organism during the whole life, yea, it increases with every year, if it is not exterminated and throughly cured by art."

And from the footnote to page 144 (the final page of the chapter):

"Now since, in addition, the other remedies, although also selected according to the similarity of their symptoms, do not by far yield so durable and thorough a cure in such chronic diseases, as those which are recognised as anti-psoric, and which are selected in as Homoeopathic a manner, because these more than the others are adequate to the whole extent of the endless number of symptoms of the great Psora malady: I do not see why men will deny to the latter the title of the especially anti-psoric remedies, unless this springs from dogmatism."

What these paragraphs and those they sum up convey of the matter is that Hahnemann's standard is one of the illness's entire and permanent removal -- which in the case of chronic diseases entails recognition of the greater part of the illness of which only some portion may be manifest at the time of the homoeopathic consultation.

Cheers --

John
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- Sir Humphry Davy, in "An Account of some Galvanic Combinations", Philosophical Transactions 91 (1801), pp. 397-402 (as quoted by David Knight, Humphry Davy: Science and Power, Cambridge, 1998, p. 87)

Re: CURE

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:39 pm
by John Harvey
Hi, Soroush --

I have no direct knowledge of the herbal side, but understand that its principles of prescription accord entirely with the five-element (holistic) principles underlying its acupuncture "prescriptions". I do know that acupuncture itself offers, on the basis of those principles, cures as rapid, gentle, total, and permanent as those of homoeopathy, its method basically seeking to use unimpaired energy to reestablish the regularity (in several senses, including elemental balance, timing, and strength) of impaired energy flows throughout the organism.

I know less still of the long-term effects of chiropractic, but its (at least occasional) ability to stimulate return of old symptoms, primary amelioration of energy, and so on says that it is at least stimulating reactions we'd recognise as curative, something I found astonishing when I learned from a practitioner the criteria they judge that by.

Cheers --

John
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"Nothing is so fatal to the progress of the human mind as to suppose that our views of science are ultimate; that there are no mysteries in nature; that our triumphs are complete; and that there are no new worlds to conquer."

— Sir Humphry Davy, in "An Account of some Galvanic Combinations", Philosophical Transactions 91 (1801), pp. 397–402 (as quoted by David Knight, Humphry Davy: Science and Power, Cambridge, 1998, p. 87)

Re: CURE

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:44 pm
by Vera Resnick
Can stimulation of the return of old symptoms be seen as a criteria
indicating the modality to be curative? I have seen this in
reflexology as well.

Vera
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Re: CURE

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:47 pm
by Soroush Ebrahimi
TNX John
Do they experience a phenomenon like the Hering Laws of Cure?
Also as I asked about TCM, how quickly does the case collapse when the patient stops taking the combination prescription of TCM?
Best wishes
Soroush

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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Harvey
Sent: 23 July 2009 14:39
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] CURE
Hi, Soroush --

I have no direct knowledge of the herbal side, but understand that its principles of prescription accord entirely with the five-element (holistic) principles underlying its acupuncture "prescriptions". I do know that acupuncture itself offers, on the basis of those principles, cures as rapid, gentle, total, and permanent as those of homoeopathy, its method basically seeking to use unimpaired energy to reestablish the regularity (in several senses, including elemental balance, timing, and strength) of impaired energy flows throughout the organism.

I know less still of the long-term effects of chiropractic, but its (at least occasional) ability to stimulate return of old symptoms, primary amelioration of energy, and so on says that it is at least stimulating reactions we'd recognise as curative, something I found astonishing when I learned from a practitioner the criteria they judge that by.

Cheers --

John
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"Nothing is so fatal to the progress of the human mind as to suppose that our views of science are ultimate; that there are no mysteries in nature; that our triumphs are complete; and that there are no new worlds to conquer."

- Sir Humphry Davy, in "An Account of some Galvanic Combinations", Philosophical Transactions 91 (1801), pp. 397-402 (as quoted by David Knight, Humphry Davy: Science and Power, Cambridge, 1998, p. 87)

Re: CURE

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:54 pm
by John Harvey
Hi, Vera --

Actually, I was using shorthand there for the entire above-to-below, in-to-out, more-important-to-less-important, in-reverse-order-of-onset set of criteria; I should have been clearer. But interesting to know that some of this occurs in reflexology! I hadn't come across that.

John
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"Nothing is so fatal to the progress of the human mind as to suppose that our views of science are ultimate; that there are no mysteries in nature; that our triumphs are complete; and that there are no new worlds to conquer."

— Sir Humphry Davy, in "An Account of some Galvanic Combinations", Philosophical Transactions 91 (1801), pp. 397–402 (as quoted by David Knight, Humphry Davy: Science and Power, Cambridge, 1998, p. 87)

Re: CURE

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:56 pm
by John Harvey
Sorry, yes -- that's what the real surprise was, that they do. But as to how long it holds for: no idea. Possibly it's equivalent to prescribing for chronic illness with no account taken of the underlying miasm. (I'm speaking here of chiropractic.) As for acupuncture: it's a real cure, and doesn't collapse.

Cheers --

John
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