Minutus

Hi all,
Please encourage peter not to give up!
Why couldn't he devide the website into 2 - the second will be limited to Homeopaths and other professionals of alternative medicine?!
Rafy

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Dear Rafy,

If these remedies wonders and miracles do perform, well and good, that's great for Peter, and I'm sure he'll do well out of them; but unless they're based on matching an individual's symptoms with the nearest individual pathogenesis, what have they to do with this list? They're simply allopathically used medicines. That is exactly what homoeopaths already struggle to distinguish from homoeopathy's good name, without any need for further confusion.

If Peter needs encouragement of any sort, it is encouragement to cease trading under homoeopathy's name in selling his allopathic medicines.

And to answer your question: no homoeopathic practitioner would use the proposed web site. Somebody who prescribes a one-size-fits-all medicine plainly is not prescribing according to the law of similars, is she.

Cheers --

John
2009/7/20 HomeoDidact >

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Dear Friend,
We are currently updating the site www.healingdownloads.com which will include a drastic reduction in the range of downloads available.

The renovated site will provide Acute Illness, Epidemic Diseases, First Aid, Fear and Tonic downloads only, all with new sounds.
If you would like any of the downloads for Trauma, Chronic Diseases, Fat, Toxins, Sexual Issues, Nervous Reactions, Fixed Patterns of Behaviour, African Epidemic Diseases, Chronic Children's Health, Minor Adult Health Issues, or the Aging Downloads then now is the time to get them.
From Sept 1st 2009 they will no longer be available.
This is for a number of reasons including;

* The deleted items are mostly available on vitalremedies.com
* We would like to offer downloads that are obviously for self help. It is not that the other downloads do not work, it is that they more often than not need to be used in conjunction with skilled helpers.
* There are legal issues that are restrictive.
* The present site stretches disbelief too far.

We will be happy to hear your responses.
Kindly,
Peter Chappell
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Dear John
Peter Chappell is a well grounded Homeopath. One of the founding fathers of SoH. He is not a materialistic person so far as I know. That is why the down-loads are freely available on line.
These frequencies are a on a continuum of his work with AIDS in Africa which by all accounts have been successful.
Peter had treated a number of AIDS patients in Africa on individual basis. He then got his inspirations from 100-104 and worked on GE for AIDS by formulating the symptoms of AIDS into mathematical formulae.
His processing then leaves homeopathy as we know it and he somehow converted the symptoms/formulae into an electromagnetic wave-form.
Once one has that, like any other radiation it is easy to make a potentised substance / remedy out of it. This lead to the production of PC1.
I have no information on its proving. I do not think there is any.
However, we have many reports of it producing miraculous cures.
The rest of the down-loads are manufactured using a similar idea for different syndromes / collection of symptoms.
So is his work homeopathic? No - not as we know homeopathy.
Does it produce cures? Well if someone is on deaths door and after a couple of weeks on PC1 can return to work with other symptoms generally better, then I would say YES!
If it has cured, then it must have been homeopathic!
Best wishes
Soroush

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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Harvey
Sent: 20 July 2009 14:33
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: -----SPAM----- Re: [Minutus] IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM PETER CHAPPELL
Dear Rafy,

If these remedies wonders and miracles do perform, well and good, that's great for Peter, and I'm sure he'll do well out of them; but unless they're based on matching an individual's symptoms with the nearest individual pathogenesis, what have they to do with this list? They're simply allopathically used medicines. That is exactly what homoeopaths already struggle to distinguish from homoeopathy's good name, without any need for further confusion.

If Peter needs encouragement of any sort, it is encouragement to cease trading under homoeopathy's name in selling his allopathic medicines.

And to answer your question: no homoeopathic practitioner would use the proposed web site. Somebody who prescribes a one-size-fits-all medicine plainly is not prescribing according to the law of similars, is she.

Cheers --

John
2009/7/20 HomeoDidact >

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Dear Friend,
We are currently updating the site www.healingdownloads.com which will include a drastic reduction in the range of downloads available.

The renovated site will provide Acute Illness, Epidemic Diseases, First Aid, Fear and Tonic downloads only, all with new sounds.
If you would like any of the downloads for Trauma, Chronic Diseases, Fat, Toxins, Sexual Issues, Nervous Reactions, Fixed Patterns of Behaviour, African Epidemic Diseases, Chronic Children's Health, Minor Adult Health Issues, or the Aging Downloads then now is the time to get them.
From Sept 1st 2009 they will no longer be available.
This is for a number of reasons including;

* The deleted items are mostly available on vitalremedies.com
* We would like to offer downloads that are obviously for self help. It is not that the other downloads do not work, it is that they more often than not need to be used in conjunction with skilled helpers.
* There are legal issues that are restrictive.
* The present site stretches disbelief too far.

We will be happy to hear your responses.
Kindly,
Peter Chappell
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Hello Soroush,
Until Peter puts forward "what" the remedies "are" and until there "are" provings and until we have some objective 3rd party review, please do not insinuate that without the totality of sx's being accounted for, that this is Homeopathy. Peter needs to disclose exactly "how" the rx's are manufactured and we need verification other than his word. For all of the successes he has mentioned they all seem to be in Africa and not in any other demographic. So as a responsible scientist and as a forum we must question the validity of the claims. There must be peer review and so far he has fought against disclosing
any of the aforementioned proposals.
There are at least 7 homeopaths here in the states that I know personally who have tried several of his rx's and gotten no results at all.
And please do not get me started on the radiation-equation "it's just energy" subject. If that were true, then once the "frequency" or "energy" or "vibration" was found and manufactured, it would reverberate throughout the world, right? I could argue that if one person was cured of aids then he would spread the cure through some given "energy" field, yes?
On another note your post reveals that on the one hand you say it is not Homeopathy and then end your post by saying it is. Care to clarify?
Finally, this is not a criticism of Peters intentions or his character. I have seen him a few times over the last 15 years and have a lot of respect for him and what he is attempting to do. But there has got to be peer review. It is the backbone of all sciences. He may very well have come up with the beginnings of moving our medicine from what it is now, to some fantastical new realm of writing prescriptions through the electricity of the internet. But until all is disclosed we are only surmising.

Best regards, Rik
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

Dear Rik
I have forwarded your msg to Peter with a request to him to reply.
I clearly said that his method was not Hahnemannian Homeopathy as we knew it.
However, the fact that the remedy has proved to be curative, means that it must have been.
Do not please forget, that a remedy / substance is proved to have been homeopathic after its use by the patient.
Not before!
Rgds
Soroush
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Nash- Shannon
Sent: 20 July 2009 15:40
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Re: IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM PETER CHAPPELL
Hello Soroush,
Until Peter puts forward "what" the remedies "are" and until there "are" provings and until we have some objective 3rd party review, please do not insinuate that without the totality of sx's being accounted for, that this is Homeopathy. Peter needs to disclose exactly "how" the rx's are manufactured and we need verification other than his word. For all of the successes he has mentioned they all seem to be in Africa and not in any other demographic. So as a responsible scientist and as a forum we must question the validity of the claims. There must be peer review and so far he has fought against disclosing
any of the aforementioned proposals.
There are at least 7 homeopaths here in the states that I know personally who have tried several of his rx's and gotten no results at all.
And please do not get me started on the radiation-equation "it's just energy" subject. If that were true, then once the "frequency" or "energy" or "vibration" was found and manufactured, it would reverberate throughout the world, right? I could argue that if one person was cured of aids then he would spread the cure through some given "energy" field, yes?
On another note your post reveals that on the one hand you say it is not Homeopathy and then end your post by saying it is. Care to clarify?
Finally, this is not a criticism of Peters intentions or his character. I have seen him a few times over the last 15 years and have a lot of respect for him and what he is attempting to do. But there has got to be peer review. It is the backbone of all sciences. He may very well have come up with the beginnings of moving our medicine from what it is now, to some fantastical new realm of writing prescriptions through the electricity of the internet. But until all is disclosed we are only surmising.

Best regards, Rik

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com , wrote:

Dear Soroush,

I have no quibbles about what Peter Chappell is or wants. I have no quibbles with his miracles and wonders. I have no quibbles with his ideas.

What I take issue with is the misrepresentation as homoeopathy of something that plainly cannot possibly be homoeopathy, lacking as it does the one ingredient that homoeopathy requires: guidance by the similarity of patient symptoms to remedy symptomatology.

And homoeopathy does not work backward from a cure to a presumedly similar pathogenesis to a presumed symptomatolgy, but from the similarity of a known pathogenesis to a known symptomatology forward to a cure.

Cheers --

John
2009/7/21 >
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We are currently updating the site www.healingdownloads.com which will include a drastic reduction in the range of downloads available.

The renovated site will provide Acute Illness, Epidemic Diseases, First Aid, Fear and Tonic downloads only, all with new sounds.
If you would like any of the downloads for Trauma, Chronic Diseases, Fat, Toxins, Sexual Issues, Nervous Reactions, Fixed Patterns of Behaviour, African Epidemic Diseases, Chronic Children's Health, Minor Adult Health Issues, or the Aging Downloads then now is the time to get them.
From Sept 1st 2009 they will no longer be available.
This is for a number of reasons including;

* The deleted items are mostly available on vitalremedies.com
* We would like to offer downloads that are obviously for self help. It is not that the other downloads do not work, it is that they more often than not need to be used in conjunction with skilled helpers.
* There are legal issues that are restrictive.
* The present site stretches disbelief too far.

We will be happy to hear your responses.
Kindly,
Peter Chappell
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Dear Soroush,

Your conception that a remedy is "proven" to be "homoeopathic" after a "cure" rests on many fallacies that have been already demolished in the 1400-message debate you've been moderating in the last few weeks. Did you somehow miss all of that? It's always been evident to me that you were clear on homoeopathy's basis in provings, in symptomatology, in similarity between the two. Suddenly, in the last week, you've claimed that substance is not substance, that many are one, and now that provings are not necessary. It's a surprise to see these claims coming from you. Is your e-mail account by any chance on loan to somebody else?

Cheers --

John
2009/7/21 >
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Dear John
So far as I understand, only homoeopathy cures!
Is this correct?
Do you know of any other process that cures? if so what?
Rgds
Soroush

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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Harvey
Sent: 20 July 2009 15:52
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM PETER CHAPPELL
Dear Soroush,

I have no quibbles about what Peter Chappell is or wants. I have no quibbles with his miracles and wonders. I have no quibbles with his ideas.

What I take issue with is the misrepresentation as homoeopathy of something that plainly cannot possibly be homoeopathy, lacking as it does the one ingredient that homoeopathy requires: guidance by the similarity of patient symptoms to remedy symptomatology.

And homoeopathy does not work backward from a cure to a presumedly similar pathogenesis to a presumed symptomatolgy, but from the similarity of a known pathogenesis to a known symptomatology forward to a cure.

Cheers --

John
2009/7/21 >
________________________________

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Dear Friend,
We are currently updating the site www.healingdownloads.com which will include a drastic reduction in the range of downloads available.

The renovated site will provide Acute Illness, Epidemic Diseases, First Aid, Fear and Tonic downloads only, all with new sounds.
If you would like any of the downloads for Trauma, Chronic Diseases, Fat, Toxins, Sexual Issues, Nervous Reactions, Fixed Patterns of Behaviour, African Epidemic Diseases, Chronic Children's Health, Minor Adult Health Issues, or the Aging Downloads then now is the time to get them.
From Sept 1st 2009 they will no longer be available.
This is for a number of reasons including;

* The deleted items are mostly available on vitalremedies.com
* We would like to offer downloads that are obviously for self help. It is not that the other downloads do not work, it is that they more often than not need to be used in conjunction with skilled helpers.
* There are legal issues that are restrictive.
* The present site stretches disbelief too far.

We will be happy to hear your responses.
Kindly,
Peter Chappell
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— Sir Humphry Davy, in "An Account of some Galvanic Combinations", Philosophical Transactions 91 (1801), pp. 397–402 (as quoted by David Knight, Humphry Davy: Science and Power, Cambridge, 1998, p. 87)

Dear John,
I wrote "IT IS NOT HOMEOPATHY AS WE KNOW IT."
Rgds
Soroush
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Harvey
Sent: 20 July 2009 15:58
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM PETER CHAPPELL
Dear Soroush,

Your conception that a remedy is "proven" to be "homoeopathic" after a "cure" rests on many fallacies that have been already demolished in the 1400-message debate you've been moderating in the last few weeks. Did you somehow miss all of that? It's always been evident to me that you were clear on homoeopathy's basis in provings, in symptomatology, in similarity between the two. Suddenly, in the last week, you've claimed that substance is not substance, that many are one, and now that provings are not necessary. It's a surprise to see these claims coming from you. Is your e-mail account by any chance on loan to somebody else?

Cheers --

John
2009/7/21 >
________________________________
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— Sir Humphry Davy, in "An Account of some Galvanic Combinations", Philosophical Transactions 91 (1801), pp. 397–402 (as quoted by David Knight, Humphry Davy: Science and Power, Cambridge, 1998, p. 87)

No, it is homeopathic long before that. It begins the homeopathic qualification when it has been chosen as a substance to potentise and then proved for sx similarity - once it is in that protocol it can be considered homeopathic because it is going through the homeopathic principle.

Curative is never enough - the allopaths claim many drugs to be curative, many procedures to be curative but this doesn't make them homeopathic.

We have just has a stanza from the Organon warning about 'unknown' remedies and if anything fits this bill then the so called PC rx do.

We have been over this many times before.

Joy

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