Burns, pt. 2: Sunburn question
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:49 pm
Part 2:
5) Subject: Re: hsg Re: Burn treatment
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:06:11 -0700
From: rjgee@uswest.net
To: Robert Nelson
...
Dr. Dorothy Shepherd practiced in LONDON during the 2nd WW (and before
and after) and it was during this period that her reports on burn
treatment with homeopathy mostly took place. You should get her book
because she was really successful in many ways when things were really
hectic.
"Magic of the Minimum Dose" -- Dr. Dorothy Shepherd
Health Science Press, The C.S. Daniel Company Ltd.
1 Church Path, Saffron Walden, Essex, England
The fascinating thing about her treatment of 2nd and 3rd degree burns
was the relief of acute, agonizing pain. She says that she gave Urtcia
Urens 12th or 30th potency. She said that she had timed it several
times, that the pain was relieved in just seven minutes!
Repeating as necessary...it always acts rapidly. Also, she did not
remove the original gauze dressing, allowing the skin to replace itself
without disturbance. (The practice today is to SCRAPE the burn area
twice a day to protect against infection!) My wife went
through this for 5 weeks and she says that the pain is indescribable.
Obviously, because the new skin is continuously scraped off, they must
revert to grafts.
Her treatment of 3rd degree burns is even more exciting, using
Causticum for pain (relieved in 7 minutes, and then other remedies to
follow. You've got to read her book to get the full story.
As profoundly important as I believe this information to be in the
furtherance of the homeopathic medical therapy, Dr. Shepherd spent just
about a page and a half to describe her experiences...Maybe that is the
reason why no one has gotten as excited about it as have I.
What I am trying to do is to accumulate as much information as I can to
see if there is enough experience upon which I (as a non-professional)
can base a real promotional push in this direction! Wish me luck!
If you do find anything on burn CLINICS let me know.
Raymond Garrett, Founder
Seattle Homeopathic Hospital & Health Center Foundation
* * * *
6) From: "Petko Velichkov"
To:
Subject: Organon Introduction - Part 8 (End)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:47:28 +0200
The Organon, Samuel Hahnemann, Introduction - Part 8 of 8
Thus we find in these examples of successful domestic practice, that
it is not the prolonged application of the degree of cold in which the
limb was frozen that restores it isopathically (it would thereby be
rendered quite lifeless and dead), but a degree of cold that only
approximates to that (homoeopathy), and which gradually rises to a
comfortable temperature, as frozen sour crout laid upon the
frost-bitten hand in the temperature of the room soon melts, gradually
growing warmer from 32 or 33 (Fahr.) to the temperature of the room,
supposing that to be only 55, and thus the limb is recovered by
physical homoeopathy.
isopathically by the application of boiling water, but only by a
somewhat lower temperature, as, for, example, by holding it in a vessel
containing a fluid heated to 160, which becomes every minute less hot,
and finally descends to the temperature of the room, whereupon the
scalded part is restored by homoeopathy. Water in the act of freezing
cannot draw cut the frost isopathically from potatoes and apples, but
this is effected by water only near the freezing-point.
from a blow on the forehead with a hard substance (a painful lump) is
soon diminished in pain and swelling by pressing on the spot for a
considerable time with the ball of the thumb, strongly at first, and
then gradually less forcibly, homoeopathically, but not by an equally
hard blow with an equally hard body, which would increase the evil
isopathically.
muscular contractions in human beings and spinal paralysis in a dog,
which had been caused by a chill, being rapidly cured by cold bathing.
These events are falsely explained by isopathy. What are called
sufferings from a chill are only nominally connected with cold, and
often arise, in the bodies of those predisposed to them, even from a
draught of wind which was not at ali cold. Moreover, the manifold
effects of a cold bath on the living organism, in health and disease,
cannot be reduced to such a simple formula as to warrant the
construction of a system of such pretentions!
portions of the serpents, must remain a mere fable of a former age,
until such an improbable assertion is authenticated by indubitable
observations and experiences, which it certainly never will be. That,
in fine, the saliva of a mad dog given to a patient labouring under
hydrophobia (in Russia), is said to have cured him that "is said" would
not seduce any conscientious physician to imitate such a hazardous
experiment, or to construct a so-called isopathic system, so dangerous
and so highly improbable in its extended application, as has been done
(not by the modest author of the pamphlet entitled The Isopathy of
Contagions, Leipzic:Kollmann, but) by its eccentric supporters,
especially Dr. Gross (v.Allg. hom. Ztg., p. 72), who vaunts this
isopathy (aequalia aequalibus) as the only proper therapeutic rule, and
sees nothing in the similia similibus but an indifferent substitute for
it; ungratefully enough, as he is entirely indebted to the simila
similibus for all his fame and fortune.
**** (End of footnote 32)
The experienced cook holds his hand, which he has scalded, at a
certain distance from the fire, and does not heed the increase of pain
that takes place at first, as he knows from experience that he can
thereby in a very short time, often in a few minutes, convert the
burnt part into healthy painless skin.(33)
(33)So also Fernelius (Therap., lib. vi, , cap.20) considers that the
best remedy for a burnt part is to bring it near the fire, whereby the
pain is removed. John Hunter (On the blood, Inflammation, etc., p.218)
mentions the great injury that results from treating burns with cold
water, and gives a decided preference to approaching them to the fire,
guided in this, not by the traditional medical doctrines which
(contraria contrariis) prescribe cooling things for inflammation, but
by experience, which teaches that the application of a similar heat
(similia similibus) is the most salutary.
****
Other intelligent non-medical persons, as, for example, the
manufacturers of lackered ware, apply to a part scalded with the hot
varnish a substance that causes a similar burning sensation, such as
strong heated spirits of wine(34), or oil of turpentine(35), and by
that means cure themselves in the course of a few hours, whereas
cooling salves, as they are well aware, would not effect a cure in as
many months, and cold water(36) would but make matters worse.
(34) Sydenham (Opera, p.271 (edit. Syd. Soc., p.601) says the spirits
of wine, repeatedly applied, is preferable to all other remedies in
burns. Benjamin Bell, too (System of Surgery, Grd edit., 1789),
acknowledges that experience shows that homoeopathic remedies only are
efficacious. He says:"One of the best applications to every burn of
this kind is strong brandy or any other ardent spirit: it seems to
induce a momentary additional pain (see below, 157), but this soon
subsides, and is succeeded by an agreeable soothing sensation. It
proves most effectual when the parts can be kept immersed in it; but
where this cannot be done, they should be kept constantly moist with
pieces of old linen soaked in spirits. "To this Y may add that warm,
and indeed very warm, alcohol is much more rapidly and much more
certainly efficacious, for it is much more homoeopathic than when not
heated. And all experience confirms this in a most astonishing manner.
(35) Edward Kentish, having to treat the workers in coal pits, who
were so often dreadfully burnt by the explosion of fire-damp, applied
oil of turpentine or alcohol, as the best remedy in the most extensive
severest burns (Second Essay on Burns, London, 1798). No treatment can
be more homoeopathic than this nor is any more efficacious.
33) confirms this from his own observation and extols the application
of turpentine oil, of alcohol and of very hot poultices for this end,
as hot as ever they can be borne. But the amazing superiority of the
application to burns of these remedies, which possess the power of
exciting burning sensation and heat (and are consequently
homoeopathic), over palliative refrigerant remedies, is most
incontestably shown by pure experimentation, in which the two opposite
methods of treatment are employed for the sake of comparison, in burns
of equal intensity in the same body.
p. 428), in the case of a lady who had scalded both arms, caused one to
be covered with oil of turpentine, and made her plunge the other into
cold water. In half an hour the first arm was well, but the other
continued to be painful for six hours longer; when it was withdrawn one
instant from the water she experienced much greater pain in it, and it
required a much longer time than the first for its cure. John Anderson
(Kentish, op. cit. p. 43) treated in a similar manner a lady who had
scalded herself with boiling grease. "The face which was very red and
scalded and excessively painful was, a few minutes after the accident,
covered with oil of turpentine; her arm she had, of her own accord,
plunged into cold water, with which she desired to treat it for some
hours. In the course of seven hours her face looked much better and the
pain was relieved. She had frequently renewed the cold water for the
arm, but whenever she withdrew it she complained of much pain, and, in
truth, the inflammation in it had increased. The following morning I
found that she had had during the night great pain in the arm; the
inflammation had extended above the elbow; several large blisters had
risen, and thick eschars had formed on the arm and hand; a warm
poultice was then applied. The face was completely free from pain, but
emollient applications had to be used for the arm for a fortnight
longer, before it was cured".
the (homoeopathic) treatment by means of remedies of similar action,
over the wretched treatment by opposites (contraria contrariis) of the
antiquated ordinary school of medicine!
(36)John Hunter (loc. cit.) is not singular in asserting the great
injury done by treating burns with cold water. W. Fabricius of Hilden,
also (De Combustion libellus, Basil. 1607, cap. 5, p.11), alleges that
cold applications in burns are highly injurious and productive of the
most serious consequences; inflammation, suppuration and sometimes
mortification are caused by them. ****
The old experienced reaper, although he may not be in the habit of
drinking brandy, will not touch cold water (contraria contrariis) when
he has worked himself into a violent feverish state in the heat of the
sun he knows the danger of such a proceeding but he takes a small
quantity of a heating liquor, a mouthful of a brandy; experience, the
teacher of truth, has convinced him of the great superiority and
efficacy of this homoeopathic procedure, whereby his heat and fatigue
are speedily removed.(37)
(37)Zimmerman (Ueber die Erfahrung, ii, p. 318) informs us that the
inhabitants of hot countries act in the same manner, with the best
results, and that, after being very much heated, they swallow a small
quantity of some spirituous liquor.
* * * *
7) From: apexpreci@eth.net
Dear Ellen,Cinnabar,Shannon,All,
There is something found in Jahr(40 years practice, burns, page 296,
Bjain ) which I read recently and reproduce here -in a condensed form.
1. Immerse the burnt organ in heated alchhol(If at all that can be
done) in a vessel till all pain is gone. After the part is drawn out,
repeat if pain returns. The process , according to Jahr, may take 15 to
20 mins or
If alchohol can't be used , resort to a soap poultice as warm as can
be borne.
2. If the burn has infiltrated deep and suppuration has set in,
a. Apply cantharis alchoholic tinc 3d externally, while canth 30
internally.
b. If the tongue is burnt, caust 30 internally..
3. chalk stirred in water for burns by acids
vinegar for lye, ammonia and other alkalies
4. Burns by boiling fat, canth
5. For burns of boiling water, soap poultice
The above may seem ordinary and conventional. But here comes the most
interesting:
" For the severest of burning, I had used the common white paint with
much success. Applied with soft brush after the blisters have been
drained with the skin intact. Cover with cotton flocks and allowed to
drop.If fever sets in - aconite. Morphine for sleeplessness- one grain
in a twelve dessert spoonful of water - every half hour.I have cured
the severest kinds of burning by this simple process"
My question is what does he mean by soap and paint ? I guess
nineteenth century soap was made of vegetable/ animal oil and also how
different was that day's paint with today's. Anyone who got some facts
can share here.
Regards
Venkat
--------------------------------
5) Subject: Re: hsg Re: Burn treatment
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:06:11 -0700
From: rjgee@uswest.net
To: Robert Nelson
...
Dr. Dorothy Shepherd practiced in LONDON during the 2nd WW (and before
and after) and it was during this period that her reports on burn
treatment with homeopathy mostly took place. You should get her book
because she was really successful in many ways when things were really
hectic.
"Magic of the Minimum Dose" -- Dr. Dorothy Shepherd
Health Science Press, The C.S. Daniel Company Ltd.
1 Church Path, Saffron Walden, Essex, England
The fascinating thing about her treatment of 2nd and 3rd degree burns
was the relief of acute, agonizing pain. She says that she gave Urtcia
Urens 12th or 30th potency. She said that she had timed it several
times, that the pain was relieved in just seven minutes!
Repeating as necessary...it always acts rapidly. Also, she did not
remove the original gauze dressing, allowing the skin to replace itself
without disturbance. (The practice today is to SCRAPE the burn area
twice a day to protect against infection!) My wife went
through this for 5 weeks and she says that the pain is indescribable.
Obviously, because the new skin is continuously scraped off, they must
revert to grafts.
Her treatment of 3rd degree burns is even more exciting, using
Causticum for pain (relieved in 7 minutes, and then other remedies to
follow. You've got to read her book to get the full story.
As profoundly important as I believe this information to be in the
furtherance of the homeopathic medical therapy, Dr. Shepherd spent just
about a page and a half to describe her experiences...Maybe that is the
reason why no one has gotten as excited about it as have I.
What I am trying to do is to accumulate as much information as I can to
see if there is enough experience upon which I (as a non-professional)
can base a real promotional push in this direction! Wish me luck!
If you do find anything on burn CLINICS let me know.
Raymond Garrett, Founder
Seattle Homeopathic Hospital & Health Center Foundation
* * * *
6) From: "Petko Velichkov"
To:
Subject: Organon Introduction - Part 8 (End)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:47:28 +0200
The Organon, Samuel Hahnemann, Introduction - Part 8 of 8
Thus we find in these examples of successful domestic practice, that
it is not the prolonged application of the degree of cold in which the
limb was frozen that restores it isopathically (it would thereby be
rendered quite lifeless and dead), but a degree of cold that only
approximates to that (homoeopathy), and which gradually rises to a
comfortable temperature, as frozen sour crout laid upon the
frost-bitten hand in the temperature of the room soon melts, gradually
growing warmer from 32 or 33 (Fahr.) to the temperature of the room,
supposing that to be only 55, and thus the limb is recovered by
physical homoeopathy.
isopathically by the application of boiling water, but only by a
somewhat lower temperature, as, for, example, by holding it in a vessel
containing a fluid heated to 160, which becomes every minute less hot,
and finally descends to the temperature of the room, whereupon the
scalded part is restored by homoeopathy. Water in the act of freezing
cannot draw cut the frost isopathically from potatoes and apples, but
this is effected by water only near the freezing-point.
from a blow on the forehead with a hard substance (a painful lump) is
soon diminished in pain and swelling by pressing on the spot for a
considerable time with the ball of the thumb, strongly at first, and
then gradually less forcibly, homoeopathically, but not by an equally
hard blow with an equally hard body, which would increase the evil
isopathically.
muscular contractions in human beings and spinal paralysis in a dog,
which had been caused by a chill, being rapidly cured by cold bathing.
These events are falsely explained by isopathy. What are called
sufferings from a chill are only nominally connected with cold, and
often arise, in the bodies of those predisposed to them, even from a
draught of wind which was not at ali cold. Moreover, the manifold
effects of a cold bath on the living organism, in health and disease,
cannot be reduced to such a simple formula as to warrant the
construction of a system of such pretentions!
portions of the serpents, must remain a mere fable of a former age,
until such an improbable assertion is authenticated by indubitable
observations and experiences, which it certainly never will be. That,
in fine, the saliva of a mad dog given to a patient labouring under
hydrophobia (in Russia), is said to have cured him that "is said" would
not seduce any conscientious physician to imitate such a hazardous
experiment, or to construct a so-called isopathic system, so dangerous
and so highly improbable in its extended application, as has been done
(not by the modest author of the pamphlet entitled The Isopathy of
Contagions, Leipzic:Kollmann, but) by its eccentric supporters,
especially Dr. Gross (v.Allg. hom. Ztg., p. 72), who vaunts this
isopathy (aequalia aequalibus) as the only proper therapeutic rule, and
sees nothing in the similia similibus but an indifferent substitute for
it; ungratefully enough, as he is entirely indebted to the simila
similibus for all his fame and fortune.
**** (End of footnote 32)
The experienced cook holds his hand, which he has scalded, at a
certain distance from the fire, and does not heed the increase of pain
that takes place at first, as he knows from experience that he can
thereby in a very short time, often in a few minutes, convert the
burnt part into healthy painless skin.(33)
(33)So also Fernelius (Therap., lib. vi, , cap.20) considers that the
best remedy for a burnt part is to bring it near the fire, whereby the
pain is removed. John Hunter (On the blood, Inflammation, etc., p.218)
mentions the great injury that results from treating burns with cold
water, and gives a decided preference to approaching them to the fire,
guided in this, not by the traditional medical doctrines which
(contraria contrariis) prescribe cooling things for inflammation, but
by experience, which teaches that the application of a similar heat
(similia similibus) is the most salutary.
****
Other intelligent non-medical persons, as, for example, the
manufacturers of lackered ware, apply to a part scalded with the hot
varnish a substance that causes a similar burning sensation, such as
strong heated spirits of wine(34), or oil of turpentine(35), and by
that means cure themselves in the course of a few hours, whereas
cooling salves, as they are well aware, would not effect a cure in as
many months, and cold water(36) would but make matters worse.
(34) Sydenham (Opera, p.271 (edit. Syd. Soc., p.601) says the spirits
of wine, repeatedly applied, is preferable to all other remedies in
burns. Benjamin Bell, too (System of Surgery, Grd edit., 1789),
acknowledges that experience shows that homoeopathic remedies only are
efficacious. He says:"One of the best applications to every burn of
this kind is strong brandy or any other ardent spirit: it seems to
induce a momentary additional pain (see below, 157), but this soon
subsides, and is succeeded by an agreeable soothing sensation. It
proves most effectual when the parts can be kept immersed in it; but
where this cannot be done, they should be kept constantly moist with
pieces of old linen soaked in spirits. "To this Y may add that warm,
and indeed very warm, alcohol is much more rapidly and much more
certainly efficacious, for it is much more homoeopathic than when not
heated. And all experience confirms this in a most astonishing manner.
(35) Edward Kentish, having to treat the workers in coal pits, who
were so often dreadfully burnt by the explosion of fire-damp, applied
oil of turpentine or alcohol, as the best remedy in the most extensive
severest burns (Second Essay on Burns, London, 1798). No treatment can
be more homoeopathic than this nor is any more efficacious.
33) confirms this from his own observation and extols the application
of turpentine oil, of alcohol and of very hot poultices for this end,
as hot as ever they can be borne. But the amazing superiority of the
application to burns of these remedies, which possess the power of
exciting burning sensation and heat (and are consequently
homoeopathic), over palliative refrigerant remedies, is most
incontestably shown by pure experimentation, in which the two opposite
methods of treatment are employed for the sake of comparison, in burns
of equal intensity in the same body.
p. 428), in the case of a lady who had scalded both arms, caused one to
be covered with oil of turpentine, and made her plunge the other into
cold water. In half an hour the first arm was well, but the other
continued to be painful for six hours longer; when it was withdrawn one
instant from the water she experienced much greater pain in it, and it
required a much longer time than the first for its cure. John Anderson
(Kentish, op. cit. p. 43) treated in a similar manner a lady who had
scalded herself with boiling grease. "The face which was very red and
scalded and excessively painful was, a few minutes after the accident,
covered with oil of turpentine; her arm she had, of her own accord,
plunged into cold water, with which she desired to treat it for some
hours. In the course of seven hours her face looked much better and the
pain was relieved. She had frequently renewed the cold water for the
arm, but whenever she withdrew it she complained of much pain, and, in
truth, the inflammation in it had increased. The following morning I
found that she had had during the night great pain in the arm; the
inflammation had extended above the elbow; several large blisters had
risen, and thick eschars had formed on the arm and hand; a warm
poultice was then applied. The face was completely free from pain, but
emollient applications had to be used for the arm for a fortnight
longer, before it was cured".
the (homoeopathic) treatment by means of remedies of similar action,
over the wretched treatment by opposites (contraria contrariis) of the
antiquated ordinary school of medicine!
(36)John Hunter (loc. cit.) is not singular in asserting the great
injury done by treating burns with cold water. W. Fabricius of Hilden,
also (De Combustion libellus, Basil. 1607, cap. 5, p.11), alleges that
cold applications in burns are highly injurious and productive of the
most serious consequences; inflammation, suppuration and sometimes
mortification are caused by them. ****
The old experienced reaper, although he may not be in the habit of
drinking brandy, will not touch cold water (contraria contrariis) when
he has worked himself into a violent feverish state in the heat of the
sun he knows the danger of such a proceeding but he takes a small
quantity of a heating liquor, a mouthful of a brandy; experience, the
teacher of truth, has convinced him of the great superiority and
efficacy of this homoeopathic procedure, whereby his heat and fatigue
are speedily removed.(37)
(37)Zimmerman (Ueber die Erfahrung, ii, p. 318) informs us that the
inhabitants of hot countries act in the same manner, with the best
results, and that, after being very much heated, they swallow a small
quantity of some spirituous liquor.
* * * *
7) From: apexpreci@eth.net
Dear Ellen,Cinnabar,Shannon,All,
There is something found in Jahr(40 years practice, burns, page 296,
Bjain ) which I read recently and reproduce here -in a condensed form.
1. Immerse the burnt organ in heated alchhol(If at all that can be
done) in a vessel till all pain is gone. After the part is drawn out,
repeat if pain returns. The process , according to Jahr, may take 15 to
20 mins or
If alchohol can't be used , resort to a soap poultice as warm as can
be borne.
2. If the burn has infiltrated deep and suppuration has set in,
a. Apply cantharis alchoholic tinc 3d externally, while canth 30
internally.
b. If the tongue is burnt, caust 30 internally..
3. chalk stirred in water for burns by acids
vinegar for lye, ammonia and other alkalies
4. Burns by boiling fat, canth
5. For burns of boiling water, soap poultice
The above may seem ordinary and conventional. But here comes the most
interesting:
" For the severest of burning, I had used the common white paint with
much success. Applied with soft brush after the blisters have been
drained with the skin intact. Cover with cotton flocks and allowed to
drop.If fever sets in - aconite. Morphine for sleeplessness- one grain
in a twelve dessert spoonful of water - every half hour.I have cured
the severest kinds of burning by this simple process"
My question is what does he mean by soap and paint ? I guess
nineteenth century soap was made of vegetable/ animal oil and also how
different was that day's paint with today's. Anyone who got some facts
can share here.
Regards
Venkat
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