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Rosemary,
Thank you for sharing your personal & professional experience with the
CHC exam process. Your post clearly outlines the importance of the
certification process for the development of the homeopathic profession
in this country.

One small correction, however. It is the CHE, the Council on
Homeopathic Education, which is the accreditation body for schools and
continuing education providers (http://www.chedu.org). The
accreditation process is a rigorous one, including detailed curriculum
requirements, teacher certification, record keeping and the like. Those
who are interested in the topic of homeopathic education in this country
might also be interested in visiting the new NANHE website (North
American Network of Homeopathic Educators):
http://www.homeopathyeducation.org/.
marci

I missed Rosemary's post. Could you repost it?
Best,
Ellen

Here it is again, Ellen (after Luise's):

i can really relate to the points rosemary and irene have made.

i will say that you Can use computers IF you can print out the
cases and other answers. that is what i was told. the catch,
of course, is being able to use a location with wireless connection
that will accomodate you.

as for the list of disabilities and issues in irene's post: i did talk
with the organization and they will make arrangements. for
example, you can take the test on different days if you cant
sit for 9 hours. you can chose the venue for where you take the
test--you only need a neutral person who will sign off as a proctor.
so you can use a local library for example, or any other public
type of place. they also told me that they would make some
other special arrangements based on your limitations.

as for citizenship status? that i have no information on. but i
don't see why that would matter for sitting for this exam.

tanya

I think there is a misunderstanding too about my points.
This was not about me. I am one case. This is about ALL cases - about
the principles CHC is applying and which are so wrong.

* In my view (and by ADA law) there should not BE any prerequisites
that need "special arrangements" for people who live alone or without
a care-giver, whether they use a wheelchair or not. They need to be
accommodated *within* the "norm", not by special arrangement. CHC
does not comply.

I wrote points where the *principle* is wrong.

For example it is wrong to begin with, for CHC to want, claim and
make prerequisite - ANY area of activity of a homeopath OUTSIDE of
homeopathy, as CHC tries to do - such as CPR. I don't care how "goody
two shoes" it is to be CPR certified as a member of the public -
CPR is NOT part of homeopathy and does not belong as a
prerequisite. Nor does having a drive training course, a lifeguard
certificate, or a first aid certification. ONLY homeopathy is their
jurisdiction, not "any goody twoshoe stuff we can come up with to
throw in".
One can be a good homeopath without any of these other goody twoshoe
bees in the bonnet - and THAT is the principle - to test ONLY to see
whether the individual can be a good homeopath.
[Anyone try to do CPR on a tortoise? Can CHC show how a CPR cert
helps resuscitate a newborn kitten or a dying horse?]
CPR is NOT prerequisite to good homeopathy!!!! On people or animals.
And it it is not prerequisite to good homeopathy it needs to NOT be
prerequisite for certification, period.]

For example It is NOT their job to decide who works in what areas
other than homeopathy, much less to refuse a test for someone who
does other things besides homeopathy, yet that is CHC approach.
Who do the think they are to deny people's right to choose how they
spend their time? NO other profession claims jurisdiction over the
participants as to what else they can do for which they are qualified.
CHC needs to quit being high and mighty and exclusionary and get
their act together - or else we need go support a group who DOES have
the right objectives.

For example they want to dictate how many cases a homeopath does per
week to call it homeopathy. Who do they think they are? How many
cases of what kind, is up to the homeopath not CHC. The ABILITY and
QUALITY of homeopathy the person is able to do needs to be tested -
no more no less.
QUANTITY of cases per day or week or year - has nothing -
absolutely nothing at all - to do with it. Yet CHC make quantity a
prerequisite. That's sick and allopathic! In homeopathy, you take the
time needed for a case, and if you are ethical you do not overload
cases per day/week/year to meet some quantity or other.

For example CHC is trying to be involved in immigration and residency
issues which are not their jurisdiction.
There is no reason to limit the certification in any way.
If I lived on Io (moon of Jupiter) or in Timbuctu (in Africa) for
example, why the heck should I not be allowed to be certified as a
good homeopath, BEFORE moving to USA to work there? (Or even while on
Io and wanting to work on Io.)

For example:
A regular veterinarian who has done the Pitcairn course of 4 seminars
on homeopathy (consisting of whatever Pitcairn taught himself) on
weekends applies:
He has CPR cert (not likely to help him resuscitate a tortoise though) .
He has anatomy and physiology courses.
A bit of weekend spa seminar stuff gets a few points for training in
actual homeopathy?
His case work submitted with 1 case every 15 mins for some years
(yeah that satisfies the CHC quantity requirement) counts in lieu of
the rest of the course work.
He feels he has a good memory and can spout remedy stuff memorized.
So - He can apply for certification.

Any veterinary homeopath who does real homeopathy is excluded.

Any tutor of homeopathy is also excluded by CHC. A tutor is too busy
teaching homeopathy to others, hand holding students through their
first cases, etc to meet the quantity requirements of cases they take
themselves.
Their students can do the exam, but not the teachers:-)
These are by no stretch all the issues that are dead wrong the way
CHC does them.

There's not enough right for me to consider using CHC at all, for
anything. Any certification within the current CHC system, with all
its ridiculous exclusions of real homeopaths and with its back to
front policy on good homeopathy (using quantity of cases and rote
memory test and CPR expertise to determine if someone is a good
homeopath) ..... is no test to me of whether someone can be a good
homeopath.
It just cheats the folks who happen to be in the elite "prerequisite"
group, hoping their REAL expertise will be certified.

Certifying the wrong way only cheapens the "certification" for those
who do happen to know how to do real homeopathy.

Thus the CHC test is no certification as it is only as good as its
ridiculous prerequisites and test system.

I think it is cheating people out of their money - especially the
ones who really CAN be good homeopaths. Being able to pass the test
does not make it the right test to pass. THAT is no certification
that the individual can be a good homeopath, as SHOULD be tested and
certified. And of course it excludes FAR too many real homeopaths
from even qualifying to take the test.

One can sum up the problem in ONE line:

CHC lacks the necessary objective statement that "We exist to test
individuals to determine if they are capable of being a good
homeopath, and certifying them and accounting for what we do, if we
deem this true".

Everything else falls into place if this statement is in place, because:
Everything that does not meet that objective statement then *must* be
excluded.
Everything that does meet that objective becomes appropriate to
include if feasible.

Thus there's be no memory tests, no CPR, no quantity of cases
prerequisite, no exclusion of veterinary homeopathy, no
unaccounted for fees, no exclusion of homeopathy tutors, or foreign
nationals, no dictating what else the individual does in their life,
etc.
There'd simply be a real test of "whether the individual can be a
good homeopath"

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

irene,
first let me say that i have no intention of getting
into a pissing match with you.
that said, i will note my comments were general and
not personal to you/your post.
and lastly, regardless of any agreement with you, at
some point when codex comes barreling down the road on
homepathy, the survival tactic will become certification
as proof of professionalism. i think i made my distrust
of tests known and wont go into that. only wanted to
note the struggle that we will be going through as a
profession to survive. i would venture to guess that
most practitioners won't do anything about this issue
until they find themselves out of practice so it will
remain to the usual few to try and create strategy and
tactics. the CHC is positioned to be the lead organization
on this right now. so if they are inadequate/faulty, then
how do you suggest changing the national picture on this
problem?
tanya

Irene,

Homeopaths are in the health care field, right ? People / patients / clients come to us with health concerns / problems and you honestly see no reason for us to have CPR training. How about having the training as part of professionalism ? Expected as part of basic allopathic care, but we are better then allopaths ,so we don't need to have this training. Sorry but that reasoning doesn't fly. David Kailin in his book Quality in Complementary and Alternative Medicine talks about risk management and professional liability insurance for practitioners, CPR would be necessary for risk management and to provide quality in our practices. You may not need it for your animals, but those of us who see people in all stages of health most assuredly do. It is not only a requirement for CHC but for members of the Homeopathic Nurses Association, who have a practice as well. It is irresponsible to treat people without CPR training. NASH also expects it's members to have the training, so it is not a CHC aberration at all.

Sue

Icky language!
Well that is weird - you quoted my post in full and mentioned me
specifically:-)))
*Credible* certification.
Plenty of that in my emails the past few days, starting with a stated
objective - see my post on that.

Another option is to promote the idea at state legislature level that
a D.I.Hlom or D.Vet.Hom is enough for certification.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

PART of the health care field yes, but not isolated.
In other words homeopathy is not a stand alone health care system.
It has no surgery, trauma handling, physiotherapy, nutrition, etc. etc.
I did not say thatl
Some logic please:
If I say the wearing of clothing should not be a prerequisite to
being a homeopath - that does not mean I see no reason to wear
clothes! It just means that wearing clothing is NOT part of being a
good homeopath - it is part of life options in some way - but not
part of homeopathy. So it is not for CHC to test whether we wear
clothes.

Or whether we do CPR.
(It would also violate ADA law to make it a prerequisite.)

For example in WA State, outside of doctors and veterinarians, Health
Care Professionals are licensed in the following areas of which only
two need CPR certificates - namely dental hygiensts and massage
practitioners:-)
That hardly makesw it a universally accepted idea!

7 Acupuncturist
9 Advanced Registered Nurse Practitioner
11 Affiliate Sex Offender Treatment Provider
13 Agency Affiliated Counselor
15 Animal Control Agencies and Non-profit Humane Societies
17 Athletic Trainer
19 Audiologist
21 Certified Adviser
23 Certified Counselor
25 Chemical Dependency Professional
27 Chemical Dependency Professional Trainee
29 Chiropractic X-Ray Technician
31 Chiropractor
33 Controlled Substance Researcher
35 Dental Assistant
37 Dental Hygienist
39 Dentist
43 Denturist
45 Dietitian and Nutritionist
47 Dispensing Optician
49 Dispensing Optician Apprentice
51 Expanded Function Dental Auxiliary
53 Health Care Assistant
57 Hearing Instrument Fitter/Dispenser
59 Hypnotherapist
61 Licensed Practical Nurse
63 Marriage and Family Therapist
65 Marriage and Family Therapy Associate
67 Massage Practitioner
69 Mental Health Counselor
71 Mental Health Counselor Associate
73 Midwife
75 Naturopath
77 Nursing Assistant - Certified
79 Nursing Assistant - Registered
81 Nursing Home Administrator
83 Nursing Pools
85 Nursing Technician
87 Occupational Therapist
89 Occupational Therapist Assistant
91 Ocularist
Those who feel the need can add it to their personal ethics code,
like anyone in the above professions.
That is very different from making it a prerequisite "as a homeopath".
It is not homeopathy, it may not be tested or prerequisite to certify
that someone can do homeopathy.
When you show me where CPR is in the Organon, we can rethink it, okay?
Not even as alternative care - it is rarely expected.
And if you want to have that allopathic aspect yourself, go for it
for yourself - not for others.
Recommend it by all means.
Just stop calling it homeopathy. It's not. SO do not force it into a
certification of homeopathy.
If some State or other decides they want all no-ADA health care
people to have CPR certs they will say so:-)

I've had a half dozen heart attacks myself so far. Thank goodness
nobody wasted time with CPR on me. I took Arnica 1M and potassium to
stop the heart attack in its tracks each time. THAT is homeopathy.
Yes.
We can Choose to have it - we do not require it.
I suppose CHC has the same opinion? Do THEY know any homeopathy for
heart attack?

And if nobody there has helped any heart attack with homeopathy what
qualifies them to judge?
What qualifies you/them to choose allopathy instead and to make said
allopathy a prerequisite for ALL homeopathy? When someone asks what
CHC is up to requiring allopathy and still pretending homeopathy is
being tested or is any good, what will they say - uhm - er - um -
homeopathy does not help heart attacks???????
?
What a disservice that does to homeopathy!

Put things where they belong.
Recommend (not require) CPR as a backup - but if you want heart
attack prerequisites they should be the homeopathy action to take AND
the understanding of a woman's heart attack versus a man's as part of
that homeopathy prerequisite.
[CPR can never be a legal prerequisite in USA because of ADA laws. It
can be recommended for people physically able to do it well. This is
why the only 2 professions with it in WA are ones that can not be
performed from a wheelchair.]
Tosh!

I am a homeopath and will use homeopathy first as it works better and
does not bash in your chest and I expect any certification body for
homeopathy to back me on that, not to read some opinion or other in
some book and then say "how high?" any time someone says "jump!" That
is hardly the kind of representation needed!
How come CHC does that I wonder, instead of doing their homework?
(Again where does the money go?????)
The WA state list above which is Law, and the ADA law both prove the
opinion is hot air anyway!

The link is here if you'd like to read more on the REAL world we live
in as regards CPR:
http://www.doh.wa.gov/hsqa/professions/ ... documents/
credreqs.pdf
And why is CPR irrelevant for animals?
There is no certificate for CPR in animals, but it certainly can be
used.
Again if I had a choice I'd use homeopathy first, it's more
effective, and a LOT more gentle.
If I was certifying vet homs I'd not ask for anything that was not
homeopathy.
It might be "good stuff" but it would be none of my business.
Again that is nonsense.
It is perfectly good and reasonable to use homeopathy and not CPR. I
do it all the time.
And I do it by email. It is awfully awkward you know, doing CPr by
email:-)
.....Just another reason to stop stirring the allopathy pot with CPR
when we are discussing what makes good homeopathy. CHC needs to
certify what is good homeopathy - no more no less.
CPR is not good homeopathy.
That makes them wrong too:-) And two wrongs do not make a right:-)
So if someone else says jump, CHC jumps, is that it?
No need to use common sense, logic or law?

Sadly it makes CHC look even less worthwhile to work with to get
things right.
Maybe we need a new set-up, with people who have their eye on the
ball - the real one we need - not whatever they cobble together from
vague and unsubstantiated opinions here and there for big bucks.
Homeopathy is too important for that and what we do FIRST matter.

You never get a second chance to make a good first impression with
this certification issue.
It needs to be RIGHT - first time - when submitted to authorities for
implementing as certification.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Just for the purpose of information:
In NZ every single person involved into any form of health care is required (but not yet compelled by law) to be able to give first aid and perform CPR if needed; for those who have physical impairments, the requirement is that they should be able to direct someone to do it correctly.
And every business open to the public must have at least one person on the premises able to administer first aid and CPR (That one is a legal requirement).
It is the business of a certifying body to certify the ability to practice whatever this body certifies; it is the body of the registering body to make sure that all the other requirements are met, like visiting the office, making sure there is wheelchair access, checking the width of the doors, etc,.....
How did we do as our certifying and registering bodies are one and the same, be it for homeopathy or herbalism or others?
Once a student graduates from a registered college, by law he/she can open a practice without further ado. If they want to call themselves "Registered Homeopath" they have to start an internship with case supervision (although they fly solo in the consulting rooms), present a certain number of cases, get through an interview; for people trained overseas, each individual is assessed separately but still has to present cases and do the interview.
At that stage, they do have to provide a First Aid and CPR certificate and demonstrate their premises are safe if they want full registration and full membership.
Nobody is forced into doing anything; there are a few very good and competent homeopaths who have refused to go through all that programme, for whatever reasons, and that is OK with everybody....so far. As the law will change, the difference will be lack of government and insurance coverage, maybe not having nosodes or high potencies available, if those are restricted to registered professionals.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit www.drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for articles and information.