Minutus

Another beautiful, understandable explaination of homeopathy by Chris. You
ought to write a book. The one thing i don't quite understand, though, when i
studied this several years ago...was the meaning of being in an active psoric
state as mentioned in the beginning of chronic diseases(the 400 or so
symptoms)and what that should mean to the prescriber. I suppose i should
reread that whole introduction but i remember not quite understanding it in
the past.

When the prescriber sees that the patient is exhibiting *any* active
miasmatic state, one thing that tells them is that it is not a local or
temporary sort of problem they're treating, and that the presenting
complaint(s) will not represent the whole of "what is to be cured."

Past that, recognition of *which* the active miasm(s) is/are, helps to
refine the choice of remedy, and may help give "heads up" about other
possible issues, ailments, and likely progress of the case.

(And yes, Chris's explanations are beautifully done--thanks again,
Chris!)

Shannon

Can you say what a local or temporary sort of problem is that isn't active, do you mean acute miasm or what.

And why would the presenting complaint NOT represent the whole of what needs to be cured - emphasis on 'represent'.

In practice do you decide what the active miasm is first before taking the case, is that a good thing, and can you describe in more detail how recognition of that (what if multi miasmatic) helps refine choice of rx.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

Uh-oh, are we arguing about angels and pins again? :-/
E.g. patient comes in with headaches. At some point you may want to
see what the "active miasm" is, e.g. sycotic, psoric, etc. Or you may
not; people practice differently. I was just giving a general answer,
trying to respond to the question.

I can look up definitions for the word "represent", but I think you
know what I mean.
If someone comes in for eczema, you can be sure that the "what is to be
cured" is *broader* than that--otherwise we could slather on some
cortisone cream and be done with it.

There will be other symptoms, other needs, a broader case to consider,
and it's unlikely to be a one-dose miracle. Okay?
Sometimes it seems clear; that is not my own usual starting point, no.
Why does it matter?
Nope, don't have time.
Others have done it in many books--as you know full well.

I would love to hear your answer to Carol's question: "The one thing i
don't quite understand, though, when i studied this several years
ago...was the meaning of being in an active [later she corrected to
"latent"] psoric state as mentioned in the beginning of chronic
diseases(the 400 or so symptoms) and what that should mean to the
prescriber.

How would you explain the significance of those pages?

Thanks,
Shannon

Boo to you Shannon. Before we go any further with what are important terms of practice if you cannot be bothered to answer and belittle the questions even before you offer half answers why do you bother at all.

These were, to me and others, important questions - you decide too early what miasm is active then you have set up a stumbling block before you even begin.

I still don't know what you mean by local or temporary problems are. Would anything temporary need treating?

If you also lessen the presenting complaint and begin too soon to think that anything else needs curing you offer an attitude to the client that is ignoring what to them is very important. if I visited a homeopath with migraines and they set this aside and insisted on me telling them about relationships with parents or whatever I would be bothered - this is how cases get disjointed and disappear into the realms of fantasy and psychobabble - you should try giving the upmost important to the presenting complaint. So your answer re cortisone cream was fickle to say the least. Have you never seen one dose cured cases, why set up a poor prediction just because you have not had the best homeopath to treat yourself. I know we tend to see the world through our own experiences but that often = small mindedness. Homeopathy is only as good as the practitioner - if you get a not good practitioner this does not = Hahnemannian homeopathy is bad - the conclusion you have come to. (another post).

Active psoric state means the psoric miasm is uppermost. When and after the case is taken that will either be clear or not. Why 400 sx - every case is different, never seen a case with that many! Who doesn't have a latent psoric miasm?

You are purposefully making this hard but that remains your problem not mine.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

One thing that Joy's very interesting question

"And why would the presenting complaint NOT represent the whole of what needs to be cured - emphasis on 'represent'"

does is to highlight a semantic obstacle that the word represent presents.

Shannon's original statement,

"When the prescriber sees that the patient is exhibiting *any* active miasmatic state, one thing that tells them is that it is not a local or temporary sort of problem they're treating, and that the presenting complaint(s) will not represent the whole of 'what is to be cured'",

uses the word represent, I'd guess, to denote be: that the local problem will not be the whole problem.

Joy's question has evidently interpreted the word represent to denote denote.: that the local problem will not designate the larger problem.

Without either clarifying the use of represent on each occasion when it's symptoms that are doing it, or avoiding the word altogether, it probably has the potential for confusion that homoeopathy does in discussions in which it matters whether one is using it to denote a process or a match.
The matter of the single skin symptom's unimportance if it's unaccompanied by other symptoms (so that one might as well deal with it with cortisone as with an antipsoric) does raise an important practical point, I think, because it was Hahnemann's finding, through historical research and careful extensive medical histories, that it's exactly the suppression of a single skin symptom that rouses a condition that is otherwise undetectable. So though the symptom may be genuinely solo, it potentially has the full weight of psora (or some other monster) behind it and should be treated with utmost respect. That's as I understand Chronic Diseases.
Cheers!

John
2009/7/3 Shannon & Bob Nelson >
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Even simpler - the case is either acute with enough sx, or few sx to make it difficult (rare?) or chronic ditto (less rare) or prophylactic.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

Joy, the original question was about *miasms*. Where would acutes or
prophylaxis come into the question at all?

Acute miasm doesn't ring a bell? I suggest you read Stanza 73 for starters.

If the original question was about miasms then change the topic heading instead of using the silly one here (not taking Christine's name into discredit by any means)

Prophylactic cannot be attempted without considering miasms.
Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

Hi Shannon,
Hahnemane says in the Organon, The aphor. where he instructs how to
take the case etc. that the maintaining cause that has to be removed
in most cases is a miasm-

Hahnemann obviously meant that practically in all cases of chronic
disease this miasm is psora.

This is why he gave the remedy he tought the most suitable for psora,
i. e. Sulphur or Hepar *sulph*, to all his chronic patients as a
starter and intermediate remedy (probably because the totality of the
symptoms of Sulphur are most similar to the multitude of symptoms
Carol mentioned)

Regards

Luise
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So definitely know what's true:
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and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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