Minutus

Dave,

Do you think either Ardavan or Soroush agree with you?
Do you think that either of them would be pleased with what you're
doing here lately?

Shannon

And you Shannon, think you are exempt? Geese and gander come to mind.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

Who knows.

AFAIK, only Soroush pays any attention to posts, and I have no idea how much.

I DO for sure know that there is a topical focus;

I DO for sure know that many posts have been flying around attacking
fundamentals of homeopathy;

I Do for sure know that some of these have been from a person who has
an immaculate history of continuing to do so on other homeopathy email
list(s) in the past.

Very much like the Rudiopathy bunch who kept popping up trying to sell
their ST = the one true heilkunst garbage.
One after another, the'd begin to advance similar bogus arguments, and
would continue until confronted.
I've no idea why you and possibly a good many others think it is so
heinous to have a confrontation; and are so blinded by their fear of
confrontation that they see only the interpersonal reflections of that
(as it exists, no doubt, as related to their internal traumas of the
past)
--THAT they cannot see the principles involved.

How do you think having a couple of people discussing how correct it
is that provings are "inherently a bad idea"

This is DECONSTRUCTIVE, it is antagonistic, and if you let people
continue with it, they will.
Next they will be promoting some other deconstructive concept.

The phenomenon is not new.
"Hahnemanian" used to be "classical" until that was HIJACKED as a
result of ALLOWING people to get away with deconstructionist
conversation #1 ... #2 ..... #3 ... and here we are seeing
similar action here & now, with

"oh, let us be kind and broadminded" as the flag which you wish to
use as YOUR weapon in attempting to convince me that confrontation "is
bad."

It is UNFORTUNATE, perhaps. It is not "bad" .. when people are
continually, over years and years denigrating and assisting others in
denigrating and eroding "classical" homeopathy to the point where many
of us who were forced to use "classical" as opposed to WHATever were
then forced to use "Hahnemannian" .... WHAT NEXT ?? You think
that is "broadminded?" I think it is insufferable.

Passivity is not what seems called for, and the past persistence of
individuals infesting "classical" email list(s) with continual drip of
antithetical postings show that they will continue by inertia until
halted.

warm wishes,
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On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Shannon & Bob Nelson
wrote:

I think homeopathy however practiced is somehow a modality that is an extension of our own light and energy . I feel it is important to maintain some harmony in ourselves and try to focus on the good in others. All have things of great value to offer and why detract from one another.
I often wonder how '' Peace on Earth and Goodwill towards men'' can be achieved when families squabble endlessly . Jean

Hi Jean,
This is a nice sentiment in terms of "humanity as a whole"

It does not apply in a situation where a bunch of pizza cooks are
having a chat in a pizza parlor about pizza, and a bunch of sushi
chefs show up and start telling them how stupid and useless it is to
use cheese, and how pizza should only be made with the very freshest
fish.
It applies even less when one or more of these same sushi chefs has
made a practice of doing this over a span of years.
AFAIK, peace is an inside job. So is perception. People interpret
confrontation through their own experiential filters, equating with
perhaps some disempowered child-state and some "terror" which arose at
some time in the dim past... they then treat a presently occurring
confrontation through the misplaced load of dredged up emotion.

I'm very unclear on WHY confrontation has always beset homeopathy, but
also clear that it is so, and further, I am clear that passivity and
huggy/feeelie platitudes about being all one family aren't likely to
solve the relentless attacks on homeopathy by the $pharma industry,
or, quite sadly, by people who seem to be deluded into thinking they
are the new Hahnemann, or by others whose motivations remain murky but
who have a flawless track record of "thin edge of the wedge" type of
philosophical attacks.

Thank you very much for posting.

warm wishes,
david 510.776.5914 fax: 510.336.6671
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Hi Dave,

I think most of understand this process. Are you asking for remedy
suggestions?

Leilanae

The term vendetta seems more apropos here, certainly fits the classical definition.

Susan

Hi all,
Another way to look at all this acrimony is to realize that homeopathy
like any healing trade is a deeply personal engagement. Regardless of
who the classical masters are and what they said, we all engage our
total sense of self. If there are difference among us, and we feel
strongly about our various positions, it is because we invest fully.
That in itself is admirable regardless of where we decide to draw
lines. I like any other hot under the collar believer, I think the
other side is nuts. But at the same time, those on the other side
given me plenty of pause for thought. So I would not like to shut
down anyone. That said, conflict does reach a point when nothing
productive is arising from it. At that point, I think it is better to
put down our guns and get on with the central work of homeopathy,
classical or otherwise -- that is healing. In this case, healing
ourselves.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono

i have stayed out of this fray but want to weigh in now with a comment.
i really don't care what people talk about as long as it is respectful.
there is no justification for the mounting rudeness, name calling,
hostility that begins to creep through when people 'aren't getting
their way' in an argument. people's ego gets so involved that perspective
is lost.
we have several choices which i often use: hit the delete button often when
a subject that is not useful comes up. after reading the first dozen comments
on an issue the points have been made and when they begin to get contentious,
my delete button gets used.
second, even if i am in the middle of the discussion, there are moments when it
is useless to continue since people's egos demand the last word whether it makes
sense or not--egotism is what is at work, not a real sharing of ideas.
third, sometimes all you can do is agree to disagree.
fourth, and most important to me is that this divisive infighting practically killed
homeopathy in the usa once before. there is no difference of opinion that is
so important that it should be allowed to result in that kind of divisive hostility
which only weakens any efforts being made to create a meaningful profession.
there are many allopaths who do not subscribe to ama treatment and they find
a way to survive and the ama does not get so divided that they lose their clout
politically, economically or socially. homeopathy needs to learn something
from their surivival success.
but the one thing that is absolute is that raging at each other will only shut
us all up in the long run. there is such a thing as a reality that is bigger than our
ego and personal stance.
peace
tanya