Minutus

Hi Joy

I would like to respond here. BIH USA does in no way teach ST therapy. Yes it is correct that at one time, years ago, through the London office, ST was presented by Rudi V. This was the beginning of the end for the ties between BIH at that time and Rudi V.

BIH USA is strictly classical homeopathy and does an excellent job in teaching its students everything necessary from the very basics thru the Post Graduate Level. BIH is proud of our students and our reputation.
Donna E

BIH USA
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joy Lucas
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Who knows, but it would seem so. I am just answering to one post not a 'school'
Joy
http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/
Do you mean that the homeopaths on this list who studied at, are degreed from and/or are currently on the faculty of British Institute of Homeopathyhttp://www.bihusa.com/bios/index.html not truly practicing as classical homeopaths? Since Rudi Vespoor was the BIH director from 1993 to early 2001, and "developed their Homeopathic Practitioner Diploma Program", http://www.homeopathy.com/faculty.html#rudiis is it possible they are combining his methods, like sequential therapy and that of the Heilkunst philosophy with classical Hahnemann?

For those new to this dilemma, read http://www.homeopathy.com/sequential/ to learn about the "other" Hahnemann.

Susan

How are these BIH courses strictly classical homeopathy?

Susan
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* 403 Differential Diagnosis
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Hi Susan

BIH teaches other areas of healing as well. As I am sure we all know, one modality may not work for every individual. So we offer classes in various methods of healing. But our classes or courses that center around homeopathy teach only classical homeopathy.
Donna

You can get good and bad practitioners coming out of good schools and, although the ratio is probably different, you can still get good practitioners coming out of bad schools. But if a practitioner chooses to go against Hahnemann's methods it doesn't matter 2 hoots where they studied.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

What have you read here that you've interpreted as "going against
Hahnemann"?

Yet again, and finally, using unproved rx and thus no sx similarity as well as a need to 'expand' on Hahnemann's work, which frankly doesn't need it. Joy

Okay, so "expanding" is the same in your eyes as "going against". Got
it.

I know this is getting old for both of us, but I am curious--what do
you feel Irene *ought* to have done, when faced with a stream of cats
suffering from a disease (Feline Infectious Perotinitis / FIP) that had
been declared "incurable", not only by the allopathic vets, but also by
homeopaths and homeopathic vets, so far as she was able to find, and
which has not been contradicted by anyone here? What she *did*, was to
"tweak" the standard classical procedure (what you would call
Hahnemannian) in a way that has wound up curing a majority of those
cats, who (we are told) would *all* have died otherwise.

Let's say that, theoretically, the possibility is still there of doing
it by what you would call Hahnemannian prescribing. Maybe it is
possible, maybe it isn't; fact is that neither she nor anyone else (so
far as we have heard so far) had or has managed to do so. But, using
what she knew, she *did* work out a method that works for most.

Do you feel it would have been / would be more honorable for her to let
them die, if she couldn't cure them by "standard" means? Please
include "Yes" or "No" in your answer! I'm interested in the philosophy
too, but I can't quite wrap my head around why you would rather let
patients [in this case cats, but principle is the same] die, than treat
them by what you consider to be non-Hahnemannian method. I'm just kind
of stuck on that point...

Thanks,
Shannon

In a previous post you were concerned about prescribing for specific diseases so shouldn't you be alerted to this, i.e. so called FIP. I cannot recall the actual situation so you and / or Irene would have to say more but if one unproven potentised substance cured one case and then cured many cases then that is prescribing on disease specifics - again going against Hahnemann's individuality suggestions and warrants some inquiry as to suppression of sx. I personally do not believe anything is incurable via homeopathy unless the disease is at the palliation only state, but if there has been so many cases of this then there surely would have been enough time to work on the simillimum from existing proven remedies (as per individual cases) and also after so much time and alleged cured cases there is time to do a proving of said miraculous substance - even though it should, only ever apply to a few cases and not necessarily the norm, i.e. disease specific rx.

"More honourable to let them die?" what are you suggesting here, tweaking (again), as you call it, the discussion rather than the appropriate (Hahnemannian) treatment protocol. Yet again you are suggesting that I am making out these animals should die. I am finding your approach to these discussions warped to say the least. That really is insulting. Who knows who is out there successfully treating animals - but there are so many brilliant homeopaths that I know of that are successful but really do not bother or have the time or ego to be present on forums or email lists to go on about it, they just continue to do their job in prescribing proven remedies for serious diseases.

I think your suggestion and warping of the discussion into 'I think these animals should die' worthy of the worst propaganda - it is personally insulting as well, something I thought you were so against. I suggest you rethink this.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

Feel free to sign up for one and find out.

....Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Joy I assume that you are referring to me again here, as nobody else
works with FIP that I can find - either who does it already or who is
willing to learn or take cases of it. (I keep asking, and so far I
get no responses.)

The fact that I work with cats who have been diagnosed b y a vet to
have FIP, is not the same as "prescribing for FIP" as you claim I do.
Every case has to be individually studied and handled. I suggest you
read my article on this so you can stop misrepresenting what I do.
This is much of my life's work, I am proud of it, and it does not
need to be misrepresented:
http://www.hpathy.com/veterinary/Villie ... nfectious-
peritonitis.asp
I WISH one could prescribe for disease in this case - as then I
could say: Please use such and such remedy" instead of "Sorry I can
not take your case".
I have never used an unproven remedy on any case of anything ever in
my life - nor would I, it would be totally irresponsible.
That is a defamatory suggestion Joy.
It is you who needs to say where you get that idea and why you dare
to write it in association with my name here.
And the rest of the fiction you seem to have invented to follow:
Next time, look up the facts before you invent ugly untruths to
undermine another homeopath on the list.

My *first* successful case of FIP was in early 2003, and the cat
(who was terminal but only about a year old) happened to be a match
with Cinchona officianalis, hardly an unproven remedy!!!
We see that differently. The cases of FIP that I get are at the
"advised by vet to euthanize" state, which I presume you'd call
palliation state. But I do not believe there is such a thing as a too
late state. All the FIP cases I have worked with, were "too late"
cases by most people's criteria. Partly that is because it is not
diagnosed till terminal. I just do not give up that easily. If the
right remedy is selected it will either restore health, or the SAME
remedy will palliate (with the possible need for a different and high
dose remedy in the last minutes).
THERE IS NO OTHHER WAY TO WORK.
Why did you junmp to the assumption I did anything else?
Again your wild assumptions are unwarranted (and not appreciated).
Many cases were helped but many remedies were used.
In any case there are three forms of the disease with different
symptoms altogether in each.
Each version of the illness has a totally different set of potential
matching remedies.
Naturally every case has to be studied individually to find its
simillimum. I needed no new remedies in any FIP case, just neded a
new approach to *finding* the right remedy. Before that the texts I
had read on FIP and hte homepaths I'd spoken to who tried to help
FIP, all; suggested APIS (which is wrong and I never used it in any
FIP case so far, the symptoms are not a fit for anuy of the 500 or so
cases so far.)
There is no such thing as a disease specific rx, Joy. FIP is a
chronic disease, whicjh makes an individual case study all the more
relevant.
One has to individually look at each case, and then find the remedy
that is matched by the case picture.
If you are using a disease rx for anything, then you are very much
going down the wrong path!
It is what you implied. You wanted me to use your method or let them
die.
You still show no interest in the fact of their regaining health.
That should mater whatever method was used.
If 500 cats got well who otherwise would have died, that's not enough
to cause interest in how it was achieved?
Joy the only warp I see is your warped views expressed about me as a
homeopath.
And those are NOT appreciated or warranted.
I and others consider me not only a good homeopath but a good teacher
of homeopathy, and I find your inventions and falsehoods concerning
my practice of homeopathy to be defamatory to say the least.

You have a lot of retracting to do.

Namaste,
Ifrene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."