Minutus

I have a lady coming in tomorrow who is 39 weeks pregnant. The baby keeps moving around and at the moment is breach. She reckons the baby is not engaged yet . She had a caesarian last time round and would like a natural birth as she was very disappointed she could NOT see the baby born because since she is on blood thinners because her blood clots easily, she was given a general anesthetic rather than an epidural.
Naturally I am thinking Puls 200 but
1) is it too late at 39 weeks
2) how much can it be repeated.
Thanks
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

Hi, Rochelle --

Actually, "breech" is still coming through spelt "breach"; it must be your spelling-checker.

There's nothing particularly compelling about using Pulsatilla for a fœtal malposition unless the symptoms point that way, though the symptoms' changeability and vagueness may point that way. I attended a labour in which the baby was "spines" -- her spine facing the mother's spine -- this malposition having extended the labour to some 55 hours. The symptoms in this case clearly pointed to Coffea. Just half an hour after the mother received a single dose of Coffea, the midwife found that the baby had turned and engaged. Minutes later, the mother gave birth easily.

Pulsatilla would have been the first and only remedy I had "known" to have turned malpositioned babies; yet it would have been completely unsuitable. There was nothing in the mother's symptoms to suggest it. The mystique of Pulsatilla for malpositioned babies is no more than our ignorance of the other remedies. The symptoms are the best guide and are likely to lead to a remedy far more suitable than the one we happen to have discovered first.

Let's remember that homœopathy is only in its discovery a medicine of experience. Its practice is not a matter of discovering what medicine works and what doesn't in certain situations, but a matter of the application of that simple principle. Its entire difference from allopathic medicine lies not in its potentised remedies (a late discovery and an accidental one at that) or in its success (which antibiotics could in many cases be said to emulate, setting aside the longer-term results) but in its prescription upon this principle.

We do not prescribe a remedy because it "worked" to remove a problem in some previous case; that is allopathic methodology. We prescribe it on the basis of the principle that its pathogenesis must as closely as possible resemble that of the patient. We use that principle, to the best of our mortal abilities, because it works even when we've never seen that remedy applied in that illness or emergency before. We know that the basis of allopathy, encountering symptoms head-on, "works" -- and is a losing battle. Counter-intuitively, we apply a cause of those very symptoms -- and the organism itself effects the long-lasting, stable change we're actually looking for. We don't need to have heard about a particular remedy for a particular situation; we can rely on the principle. Trust it; it works.

Cheers --

John
2009/4/24 rochelle >

My first child was that way, brings back memories and we both have a
little "dent" in the backbone where they crossed and gave way a bit
under pressure. Also had an inordinately long labor - it was BH
(before homeopathy), and he was a very broad-shouldered 10 lb 4oz.
I had a very difficult birth, wonder if a remedy might have changed
that - or perhaps it was the super-wide shoulders on the baby that
was the main problem. It is interesting to compare. I never heard of
that position in anyone else before.

I did get the baby turned - but the technique was not an official
one. I drank a few beers, it stopped the labour after about 30 hrs,
and it restarted about 3 hrs later with the baby correctly placed:-)
What is that called? Beerus crudum MT?

Oh................ Caul 30C is worth a close look, I have used it in
cats a lot.
In cats, kittens can be born tail first or head first (a tail plus
one leg presentation is hardest on the mother to deliver),
but a true breech is very nasty - and is the kitten folded in half
trying to enter the birth canal, back first, or worse, getting
partway in and being stuck there. Those need urgent turning into a
lengthwise situation.

Namaste,
Irene

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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Irene de Villiers
wrote:
My first and third were spine to spine deliveries, definitely not fun! -
and it does seem to have started them with a pattern for life - rarely
simple, good starts that get blocked, stubborn persistence with a
difficult path - that sort of thing. My middle one was an easy birth
(and easier life) - I was drinking raspberry leaf tea for a while
fairly early in that pregnancy, not because I knew anything about it's
herbal use for pregnancy but because I wanted to give up coffee and
needed a substitute. I stopped drinking it because it made my knees
ache, and I read it caused abortion in cows, but a recent reading about
raspberry leaf dropped the penny about why her labour was so much
easier.

In my experience a Glassus of Wine (white) MT doesn't help with turning
- good to know there's an option.

Aaah, maybe it needs to be Hartenberg Shiraz (my favorite red0 or the
Beerus crudum I found effective:-)

I'm "past it" but if i had it to do again I'd be using Caull 30C
during the pregnancy.

In cats, many breeders have used raspberry leaf - but the dosing is
critical and VERY variable between cats, so there is no safety and no
formula. But we have developed a formula (in cats anyway) for Caull
30C use. I do not know if it could be adapted to human. It has been
working for thousands of cat pregnancies that I know of or delivered,
so far no glitches. It's this:

Bear in mind gestation in cats is 9 weeks (plus 2 days) not nine months:
Single Caull 30C dose weekly from time of known pregnancy (usually 3
weeks) till 2 weeks PRIOR to delivery then stop.

Cats have a high abortion rate at ten days early, and there is zero
survival rate at that stage. Kittens double in size the last week,.
develop intestinal absorption of food capability and other essentials
of life in that last critical week. But there is something about ten
days before that can flip things and cause early labor. (It is wise
to keep a pregnant cat quiet then and not move house then for example).
So we stop the Caul 30C two weeks early.
This seems to magically make all the labors very easy indeed. It
prepares the uterus for muscle work and the difference between a cat
with no Caull and one on this regime is chalk and cheese - especially
if it is a first litter. In the wild (and in catteries) the first
litter of a cat is often lost or largely lost - perhaps nature's way
of giving lessons as it tones the uterus for next time!

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hi, Irene and Gail --

Just catching up with this conversation again; my apologies. Wow, you've both had tough deliveries.

Irene, if Caulophyllum's working so consistently to prevent certain kinds of difficulties at delivery and you or others have found that it is damaging beyond the two-week countdown, it does suggest, doesn't it, that perhaps it is working via a long proving, inuring the mother's body to certain kinds of difficulties by subjecting her to them.

You mention preparing the uterus for muscle work; in your experience with cats, is it broadly difficulties of insufficient, or perhaps excessive, or, more likely, uncoordinated muscular contraction that Caul. seems to forestall? If you know of some way of confirming (through examination) Caul.'s pathogenetic effects in the appropriate areas (muscular coordination if that's it; and anything else it's known to affect), it would be very interesting, wouldn't it, to do a controlled trial that took into account not only the birth outcome but also the state of the mother's body (both shortly after and shortly before each dose) in the intervening period, in light of the possibility that its action is via a proving (or series of provings) to which the body shortly afterward responds, of course, in a secondary action helpful in the delivery. The kinds of difficulties that result from continuing the Caul. too long would be interesting too as possibly shedding light on what to look for through the pregnancy in its pathogenesis. The only proving I know of was conducted in humans, but statistical verification of some of Caul.'s pathogenetic effects in pregnant cats would be of great interest to anyone seeking to understand its effect on deliveries, and may serve to demonstrate the homoeopathic relationship in a way that is crude enough to be unmissable.

I'm not suggesting, by the way, that this is any way to conduct a proving; merely that we might use the possibility that Caul.'s success is due to a sustained or repeated proving through the pregnancy, to guide practitioners in gathering information on how exactly Caul. is able to prevent the particular difficulties it does prevent and to measure statistically the success of an (at least crudely) homoeopathic relationship between what Caul. can be seen to cause and what it prevents (and, obviously, possibly prevents by challenging the body in a proving).

I'd be interested in your thoughts.

Cheers --

John
2009/4/25 Irene de Villiers >

Hi Luise,
Where can I find a copy of this article? If you have it, could you scan it and email it to me privately?
Thanks.
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"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
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Hi John,

in the sixties a placebo-controlled double blind trial of Caulophyllum
was conducted on sows with weakness of labor. The way the author, a
homeopathic vet, explained it, this weakness is very common in sows.
Allopathically they were getting some kind of hormone for it,I don't
remember the name off hand, which, however had side effects(somethin
got do with milk production, I believe)

It turned out 100% significant over placebo - i. e. it did not fail
even once.

As I said, this trial was done in the sixties and published in German
language in German publications - so it never got any attention in the
rest of the world (not much in Germany either, sadly to say.)

Regards

Luise
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Hi John,

I should be clearer on the matter of potential; harm. I've not seen
caull near a delivery date CAUSE an abortion.
But because abortions are commonest at ten days before delivery in
cats (and not generally at other times) I have CHOSEN not to use
caull for the last two weeks.
Caull is used after delivery of all the kittens as well - 4 doses a
half hour apart, starting about 2 hrs after the last kitten (that's
the protocol used) - will close down the uterus, which in cats with
multiple deliveries per litter, is very helpful in preventing
potential pyometras in a not well closed uterus.
One can feel the contractions induced by the Caull then. It is
especially necessary to do this in C-sectioned cats as the natural
oxytocin is in the placentas, which the mother will eat in a natural
delivery but which are discarded in C-sectioned cats.

I suspect the use of Caull during pregnancy is also inclined to set
up co-ordinated contraction "exercises" for the uterus. However I
have not felt such contractions with my hand the way I can do when
"closing down the uterus" after a delivery.

The weekly Caull dose during pregnancy and none in the last two weeks
- is not a fixed rule. If a pregnant queen comes my way too late in
pregnancy to start the usual Caull protocol that works so well (works
every time it seems, in many hundreds of cats), then I start it late
with a different dosing schedule, even if it is only the last 2 days
of the pregnancy. I then dose at least twice a day those 2 days. This
is always better than no caull in the cat pregnancy - and makes
delivery much easier.

Interestingly, if a cat starts to abort at ten days before delivery -
I have used Caull to STOP the abortion, dosed every 15 mins while
keeping the cat quiet, still and in the dark - no excitement. I have
done this even after the vet has said the delivery is too far along
and the cat is in delivery-purrs-mode and per the vet it would be
impossible to stop the abortion.

One an also use Caull at the start of a delivery to ease the
contractions into uniform, co-ordinated and good ones (but not until
the contractions are very close together so as to suggest actual
delivery effort rather than just preparations) . But one stops that
dosing as soon as the first kitten arrives. It is not needed for
subsequent ones.

I hope this answers some of what you addressed:
I can only compare with cats who do not get Caull.
Those cats will have longer labors, get more exhausted, struggle to
deliver tail-leg presentations or fail to do so at all, and may even
give up and require c-section - especially if it is a first pregnancy
involved. They will be much more sore after delivery, needing much
arnica or bell-per etc, and will have less energy to attend to
kittens, esp if it is a big litter, for the first two days at least.
There is really a remarkable difference, enough so that it feels
unethical to not use Caull in every case.

Now my OTHER theory is that cats in the wild are fit as a fiddle form
hunting and domestic cats are relatively unfit, and so they benefit
from "Caull fitness program". I expect humans are the same.
I'll quote two examples - so obviously not statistically relevant
compared to the number of Caull examples:

My own case (!) My first child was the difficult labor previously
mentioned but with the 2nd I was still swimming a mile upstream in
the Clackamas river daily till 1 day before delivery. The fun was
when I said he was arriving and the nurse insisted there had been no
time for labor yet ..... but I fussed so that she took a peek,
screamed for the doc and started running, pushing the bed to the
delivery room.
Baby was born like a watermelon pip popping out and they caught him
just in time, all ten pounds 4 of him. I took him home two hrs later
as I was bored with wandering the halls holding him.
I suppose this is more like the women of Africa who merely go off and
birth their own child in the bush. They too are extremely fit
physically, walking all day tending cattle and stomping grain.
One of my cats also had a very easy delivery with no Caull. It was
when I lived in SA and had a nice outdoor run for them. She is a bit
of a monkey as you can see here........(the cat in the last 6 pictures)
http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/catrun.html
.................walking hand over hand about 8 foot up and also
running about fetching a balll I threw, and bringing it back to me
via a tree to the upstairs window. HER litter of 4 was born in less
than 1 hour (and it is more normal to use one hour per kitten.) I
assumed it was her Lachesis personality causing the fast delivery,
but I am now not so sure. She stood, pushed hard, and one contraction
later, there was a kitten. She washed it, fed it etc, then stood to
shoot the next one out after 15 mins...... and so on. A true "career
mom", very efficinent!
I know of no scientific measurements - this description is by
observation only.
I can only say that my impression is that Caull seems to do what's
needed. I say that because where muscle fitness is needed that
occurs, and where stopping too-early abortion is needed, that occurs,
and where closing the uterus is needed, that occurs, and where co-
ordinating muscle contraction to deliver is needed, that occurs.......
typical of a homeopathic remedy to do "what's needed"?

It is a lot more than mere muscle fitness in a blind fashion, that is
observed (although that does happen) - an energetic match to what's
needed seems to be there, at a deeper level.
Well those are they:-)

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Thanks, will do.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit www.drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for articles and information.