Minutus

What do you guys think of this "sequential homeopathy"?

"As in classical homeopathy, from which it derives, Sequential Homeopathy
identifies the imbalance of vital energy as the root cause of acute or
chronic illnesses.
But contrary to classical homeopathy it goes beyond the fact of the
imbalance itself and asks the key question "why is the energy imbalanced.
The answer of course is obvious: because it has been imbalanced.
By what?
By what Dr Elmiger calls a sequence of events, each of the two components of
the statement having its importance."

http://www.jelmiger.com/

(Click on the link in the left column on sequential homeopathy.)

Helen

I read Dr. Elmiger's book " Rediscovering Real Medicine" several years ago, and it is well worth reading. he has a lot of useful advice and some very interesting cases. His approach corresponds to the 'layers' method of prescribing, but seems to be a bit more rigid in its application.
For example, he places great stress on the exact chronological order of events or stressors in someone's history - he implies that if the wrong sequence is followed, no cure can be expected. Personally, I don't believe this, and I wonder how many of us know exactly in what order we were vaccinated or had childhood illnesses or traumas (maybe easier with kids as it's more recent)
I feel that there's more than one way to unlock a case. The 'layers' approach is better - look at the patient's history but balance that with what's presenting each time. Also, of course, look at NBWS if this is a feature in the case.
Just my opinion.
Liz
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I read Dr. Elmiger's book " Rediscovering Real Medicine" several years ago, and it is well worth reading. He has a lot of useful advice and some very interesting cases. However, I don't really think he can claim to be the first to use sequential prescribing! There are other homeopaths who have been doing this for years in one way or another - sometimes it's called sequential prescribing, sometimes 'layers' but the thing in common is to try and work back through a case removing all the levels of disease as they present themselves. James Compton Burnett was a fantastic homeopath (19th century) who used this method - there is also Eizayaga in Argentina who has his own model, plus there are British homeopaths who have used this kind of prescribing in their own way - Lisa Monck and Pritam Singh, for example. One important feature of their prescribing is to address the miasms that present in a case - Psora in particular, as it seems to underlie everything. There's a good book if you want to read more about it: 'Classical Homeopathy Revisited' by Roger Dyson and Jean Cole.
What struck me about Elmiger's system is the stress he places on following the exact chronological order of events or stressors in someone's history - he implies that if the wrong sequence is followed, no cure can be expected. Personally, I don't believe this, and I wonder how many of us know exactly in what order we were vaccinated or had childhood illnesses or traumas (maybe easier with kids as it's more recent)
I feel that there's more than one way to unlock a case. The 'layers' approach is better - look at the patient's history (NBWS could be an important part of the case too) but balance that with what's presenting each time and prescribe on that.
Just my opinion!
Liz
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Hi Helen,
Yes, it is imbalanced.
Yes the "sequence of events" (vaccines, infections etc.) could have imbalanced the vital force.
BUT, that's not the whole picture.
They imbalance because they have been a stress on the system. They are only a stress because of susceptibility (aph.31). With vaccines, they are an unnatural assault on the system, so chances are more people will be susceptible (but it's not necessarily a fixed law, just a high probability). The same for an egg. A healthy person finds it nutritious. A susceptible person (digestion issues etc.) finds it toxic. It's all about susceptibility.
There is something which underlies the effects of the stressor and that is susceptibility and that is a constitutional thing. That is where the remedy must be a simillimum. You won't treat that level with sequential therapy. That deeper level of susceptibility might include weaknesses such as being particularly affected by grief, or confrontation, or changes in climate or effects of over-exertion etc. It's all part of the same susceptibility.
Obviously mankind will always be susceptible to some stressor's. We are not designed to be exposed to extreme's of radiation, or extreme's of climate change, although our intellect in a healthy state should allow us to best adapt in such situations (build a shelter or whatever is appropriate).
My concern with sequential therapy is that it might be the equivalent of allergy shot's, which reduce your sensitivity to a stressor (the allergen) in a way that is suppressive. The vital force cannot react on that level anymore so the reaction must take place on a deeper level, because the miasm (chronic disease, susceptibility) is not treated.
Regards,
Paul
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At 07:04 PM 3/13/2009, helensan@att.net wrote:
Well homeopathy is the name of a system discovered and developed by Samuel Hahnemann and it has laws and principles that he discovered (laws just like gravity is a law).

Homeopathy was developed and named by him and therefore anyone practicing homeopathy or calling what they do, homeopathy, needs to follow those laws and principles which are documented in the Organon.

There are others out there who have come up with systems they call homeopathy which don't follow those laws and principles.
Hardly an ethical thing to do.

Sequential so-called homeopathy does not follow the laws and principles and should not have been named homeopathy.

Its kind of like saying you do weaving when you really do needlepoint. Still uses fabric, but not the same thing at all.
Just because they use remedies, does not make it homeopathy. Homeopathy is when you follow the laws and principles, not when you just use remedies.

They use all sorts of remedies in all sorts of potency, including very high, in a sequence that is not based on laws and principles.
Many of us have seen people very injured by this system. So I am not big fan. And am not happy when it confuses many so they don't know what homeopathy.

Fine, if someone develops a system and wants to treat people - just call it something else instead of pretending to be homeopathy and confusing all.

It isn't a battle about it.........it is just clearly not homeopathy which, again, has laws and principles.

Those of us who get frustrated don't like the name used on something that is not homeopathy and don't like to see people injured in the long run.

Sheri
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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm & http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases Reality
Next classes start March 18 & 19

PS - The Heilkunst people have taken Elmiger's sequential homeopathy and gone further than his writings.
Some of what he wrote, I liked, but don't like the Heilkunst method - what I described in the last email
Sheri

At 07:04 PM 3/13/2009, you wrote:
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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm & http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases Reality
Next classes start March 18 & 19

For all who like to study more about Hahneman here is a link that is very informational - a series of articles about Hahneman and how he worked and thought.
http://www.homeoint.org/morrell/articles/index.htm
 Gisela DiCarlo,Cert.Dipl.Hom
Classical Homeopath

Member Coalition of Natural Health

http://thebeautygroup.org
570 228 1142

This has confused me a bit...don't we already do that? We look at causation, and layers, in the overall picture at any given time, so.....
Liz
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

Upon reading Dr. Elmiger's book and other related information, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of removing the 'layers' was to provide an environment which would then allow these other things i.e. susceptibility, among others, to be more thoroughly addressed, rather than becoming an "allergy shot." Without quoting a lot of information from his book, which anyone can read, I notice that the training classes offered on his website as well as his blurb about SQ says that hereditary and 'pre-birth' issues are addressed in sequential order so that the person is brought back (along with osteopathy, diet, etc.) to having his vital energy reestablished and this as well which indicates to me that susceptibility is part of his whole approach.
Mary Ann Gilmore

Hi Mary Ann,
OK. The disturbed vital energy is not the susceptibility. It is the result of the effects of stressors on the vital force. So it remains and will re-establish disorder as any stressors are again experienced. Even before the stressors, the state is still clearly experienced. Take for example an Arsenicum patient. They tend to be susceptible to germs and "toxins" ( or poisons or allergens). Yet they are fastidious in terms of cleanliness and germs, so they experience much less stressor attack than the average person. Yet they remain anxious about these attacks and can still develop pathology, if not to these stressors then they could develop deeper pathology such as cancer etc.
Regards,
Paul
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