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[H] a link on homeo vaccination - in people and animals

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:58 am
by Irene de Villiers
Just remember it is written by someone with no formal training in
homeopathy (by his own admission on his website).
He thus jumps to conclusions that make no sense to a homeopath, for
example he says;

"Certainly in the treatment of disease I can confirm that single
remedies are clearly more effective than mixtures of remedies.
Logically, this would extend to the use of remedies in prophylaxis as
well."
On the contrary - the opposite is the case in prophylaxis because if
you use a single remedy you are trying to prevent an identical
disease - and that never works.
Using a single remedy for the identical disease (like this year's flu
remedy against this year's flu) will NOT prevent it - but using a
mixture of remedies for a set of similar diseases (like several
strains of cat flu from 1996 to prevent 2009 cat flu) will be SIMILAR
to any future illness thus obeying the Law of Similars (it is NOt the
Law of Identicals!!!) and will be MORE effective in prevention than
say THIS year's or any year's single flu remedy - which has next to
no chance of being prophylactic due to being identical instead of
similar.

Is it not important to use writing of someone who knows what the Law
of Similars is about?

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: [H] a link on homeo vaccination - in people and animals

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:12 am
by HomeoDidact
Hi,

This homeopath is one of America's most known homeopaths, and I presume that
he knows homeopathy.

How would you then explain the great efficacy of Influenzinum (9c) in
preventing the flu -- when it only has this year's expected viruses?

Dana Ullman sent me a newsletter where he described this efficacy in the
USA.

Regards

Rafy

Re: [H] a link on homeo vaccination - in people and animals

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:34 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Hi Irene,

Thinking...

You wrote:
Thinking back thru what I've heard and read over the years, it seems
that prevention, like cure, acts thru similar rather than
identicals--as you said. However, what exactly the boundaries are of
"similar" versus "identical" seem uncertain. E.g., is the nosode
(potentized version of a pathogen) really "identical"? Arguably not
(for a start, it's the largely or entirely non-chemical, "energy
imprint", not the physical substance), but also apparently nosodes
*have* been effective for prophylaxis, at least in some circumstances.
(E.g. Isaac Golden's program, which Fran uses?)

And/but, it's apparently sufficient to have a *single* similar to
prevent a group of similar illnesses, e.g. this old post of Julian's:

Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:20:36 +1300
To: "homeopathy related account"
From: julian winston
Subject: [H] Re: MMR Vaccine - Parent Outrage

[...] Before I was deeply involved in homeopathy (i.e., thinking about
treating 'constitutionally') I was seeing a grand old homeopath in
Philly named Ray Seidel.

In 1971 (or was it 1972?) when the "Swine Flu" was approaching, I asked
him about getting a "flu shot." He said, "Nah. It will do nothing but
make you sick. Hold out your tongue..." And he gave me a single dose of
Nelson's Influenzinum 200. He gave me a little packet of the stuff and
suggested I give it to the folks I worked with. I was able to convince
three of my colleagues to accept this
"alternate" flu shot.

None of us got the flu, although there were many absences of other
during the winter. As I learned more about homeopathy, I asked Seidel
about his success with giving Influenzinum, and he said he had never
had a patient of his get the flu after receiving the remedy. He had a
practice in Philly of about 3,000 people.

JW

I had asked whether Nelson's Influenzinum was re-made each year, and
the answer was that no, it's not; it was made from a single year
(possibly more than one of that year's strtains--I don't remember for
certain), but had continued over the years to be effective. While I
don't *know*, I would think that in this sort of situation (flu),
homeoprophylaxis might be particularly effective, since so much what of
people tend to *call* "flu"--based on symptom similarity rather than
lab work--is actually caused by a different pathogen, yet perhaps these
"faux-flus" might also be prevented, since symptom-similarity is so key
in this system?

Your experience with the cat flu is interesting; I wonder whether you
settled on this mix of years for any particular reason, or just aiming
for similarity to the broadest mix of currently active strains? Would
be interesting to experiment, but I guess that would be difficult to
justify, once you've got a procedure that's *working* for your
patients!

Best wishes,
Shannon

Re: [H] a link on homeo vaccination - in people and animals

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:42 pm
by McPhee Family
I'm confused .... have you seen his bio?

Truly,

Erica
1985-1986- President of the Board, the International Foundation for Homeopathy.

1985- Santa Cruz Workshop; Basic principles of homeopathy.

1985-1996- President, Animal Natural Health Center, Inc., a private practice and teaching clinic in Eugene, Oregon, with emphasis on homeopathy and nutrition as treatment modalities.

1986- Death Valley Workshop; Integrating homeopathy into clinical practice.

1987- Monterey Workshop; Remedy pictures of dogs and cats.

1988- Eugene Workshop; Obstacles to mastering homeopathy.

1989- Grand Canyon Workshop; Introductory and advanced homeopathy.

1989-1996- Conducted in-depth, 2-year internship programs for veterinarians at the Animal Natural Health Center.

1990- Texas Workshop; Cancer, kidney disease, stomach disorders.

1990- Maine Workshop; Philosophical differences between homeopathy and other forms of treatment.

1990- Created and marketed computer software version of Boger's General Analysis, a tool for homeopathic prescribing.

1992- Santa Fe Workshop; Study of materia medica & Advanced prescribing.

1992- Initiated a 130 hr. post-graduate certification training program in clinical homeopathy for licensed veterinarians. About 300 veterinarians have been trained through this course by year 2000.

1995- Wrote, with Susan Pitcairn, second edition of Natural Health for Dogs and Cats (Rodale Press). Accumulated sales have exceeded 350,000. Has been translated into four languages.

1996- Featured Lecturer at the Annual Conference of the Society of Homeopaths, England.

1996- Founding member of The Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy.

1996-1998- President of The Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy.

1998-2000- Advisor to the Certification Committee of The Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy.

1998- Began an Advanced Training Course in Veterinary Homeopathy for veterinarians who have already taken the Professional Course in Veterinary Homeopathy.

1999- Speaker at the Annual Conference for The Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy, Virginia.

2000- First Annual Seminar for Advanced Homeopathic Practitioners, Denver, Colorado. Speaker at the Annual Conference for The Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy, Monterey, California.

2001- Second Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic Practitioners, Saguarro Ranch, Phoenix, Arizona. Speaker at the Annual Conference for The Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy, Halifax, Nova Scotia.

2002- Advanced Course in Veterinary Homeopathy, held in Guelph, Ontario; Tiburon, California & Clearwater, Florida. Third Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic practitioners. Tenth Professional Course in Veterinary Homeopathy. Speaker at the Annual Conference for The Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy, Park City, Utah.

2003- Eleventh Professional Course in Veterinary Homeopathy, Boulder, Colorado. Fourth Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic practitioners, Saguarro Ranch, Arizona.

2004- Twelfth Professional Course in Veterinary Homeopathy, San Diego and Pasadena, California. Fifth Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic practitioners. Advanced Course in Veterinary Homeopathy, Park City, Utah. Fifth Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic practitioners in Kauai, Hawaii.

2005- Wrote the third edition of Natural Health for Dogs and Cats (Rodale Press). Accumulated sales have exceeded 400,000.

2006- Thirteenth Professional Course in Veterinary Homeopathy, Eugene, Oregon; Monterey, California and Saguaro Lake Ranch, Arizona. Sixth Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic practitioners. Speaker and workshop presentaion at the National Center For Homeopathy Annual Conference.

2007- Seventh Annual Meeting for Advanced Homeopathic practitioners. Speaker at the Ohio Veterinary Medical Association Annual Conference - on nutrition and use of homeopathic medicine for animals.

Various Dates-Has written articles for professional organizations, or been interviewed for journals including: The American Homeopath, The American Holistic Veterinary Association, the International Foundation for Homeopathy, the National Center for Homeopathy, and The International Association for Veterinary Homeopathy.

-Has presented veterinary homeopathy to government and professional panels - the California Veterinary Medical Association, and the U. S. Food and Drug Administration

Re: [H] a link on homeo vaccination - in people and animals

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:00 pm
by Luise Kunkle
Hi Irene,

This is an interesting issue: (see below)
In the first edition of the Chronic Diseases, published 1828,
Hahnemann wrote 3 paragraphs on what we now call nosodes. He said that
nosodes could never be identical, because the act of
dilution/succussion in potentizing would always change it somewhat, so
that a potentized substance is never identical to the initial
substance, but always similar.

It seems that he did not include those paragraphs in his later
editions, at least not in those that were subsequently translated into
English. As a result this statement o f H. never got known in the
English language countries.

Regards

Luise
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One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Re: [H] a link on homeo vaccination - in people and animals

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:40 pm
by Irene de Villiers
By what credential?

DVM is NOT a homeopathy credential.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: [H] a link on homeo vaccination - in people and animals

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:19 am
by Irene de Villiers
I agree Shannon.
I have found that it varies quite a bit, when it comes to actual
experience. I also see a potency aspect that may be related.
For example:
If I use the 1996 remedy in 30C, made from a vaccine for all four
upper respiratory infections common in cats, and which includes one
that has gastric symptoms in addition to upper respiratory ones - I
find that it is extreme;y effective (based on statistics in my own
use of it since 1996) both for prophylaxis and for actually using it
during an outbreak of any of the four illnesses to rest0re heath OR
when used for any other similar illness - such as the killer one that
broke out in late 1997 dubbed "Plane Flu" as it originated in an
airport holding kennel, and was spread by cats staying there between
flights.
This remedy (which I call URI 30C) is one I make sure I always
have handy - and my clients all report similar effectiveness when
they use it on their cats or on cats at shelters they manage etc. It
will even get rid of long-term chronic "snuffles" in cats over time,
such as the herpes which lives in the brain between outbreaks. In
twelve years and countless cats, there has been one failure in
prophylaxis, for one cat who got the most severe illness of the four
and succumbed to the illness. (The rest of the cattery was all fine.)
It was a specially virulent strain in CA a few years back which
killed all cats having conventional vaccination.

However, the Bordetella bronchiseptica remedy is nowhere near so
useful. I find that 30C is good for prophylaxis, but needs a "boost"
frequently to maintain effectiveness - somewhere between every 3
months in populations where the disease has occurred or is high risk
(like shelters etc) - to about every 6 months in healthy populations.
A long break in its use undoes the prophylaxis.
In a Bordetella outbreak, 30C remedy is useless or nearly useless.
However the same remedy in 200C is helpfuil along with a properly
matched remedy. Based on at least 20 cases in an outbreak for
example, a matched remedy got about 75% success, and when the Bord-b
200C became available and was added in it changed the stats to almost
100% survival, including newborns from affected queens.
Someone else who tried the Bord-b-200C remedy alone in may cats
got poorer results, including some deaths. The combination of this
with matched remedy seems effective.
Comparing the URI-30C and the Bord-b 30C and 200C then for example -
it is very clear that the former - a mixed and "similar" remedy is
far more powerful to build health than the Bord-b one, made from a
specific single organism.
Most animal prophylaxis remedies are not true nosodes, but remedies
made from the vaccine for the illness. So they potentize not only the
organism but also any adjuvants etc. (It has become popular to call
them nosodes.)
I do think an identical can be helpful in prophylaxis - mkore so than
doing nothing by far - but I just have found in MY expereince that
mixtures that pertain to illnesses that all have similar sym[toms -
seem to work better.
I use two such mixtures that have a great track record:
URI 30C AS ABOVE
FIP/FeLV/FIV 30C - which is made from a mix of three immune -
compromise disease substances. All three diseases affect the same
general aspects of the body. This seems somehow MORE effective than
any of the three singly.

So I do think single remedies are and can be prophylactic - and I use
them as such - but not as well as mixtures of illnesses with similar
symptoms. The single ones fail more often.
Yes a single or a similar-mix remedy will prevent the same AND any
similar illness. If anything it is better at preventing a similar
illness, than a same one.

For example in the cat flu called Plane Flu which had NOT been
included in the URI 30C remedy - there was complete effectiveness in
prophylaxis using URi 30C, where without it death ensued in all cases
within 3 months from a form of viral pneumonia affecting the entire
lung system. (It was isolated as a new virus by Onderstepoort
University in SA with the help of my vet who collected cultures from
affected imported cats in the SA cat fancy, including one I imported.
My other cats did not "catch" it thanks to my URI 30C use. In other
importing catteries there were significant deaths till URI 30C was
implemented, and the virus died out.)
This is key.
Influenza is a virus which changes significantly from one season to
the next - so that a flu prophylaxis from a prior year will become
less identical and more similar as time goes by. This indeed is why I
use a 1996 URI remedy in cats. People using the current ones have
indeed reported they are less effective.

I have a remedy made in 1996 at the request of myself and other cat
breeders who agreed to purchase it if made- by the homeopathic
pharmacist at A White in Cape Town. We supplied the 4-in-1 vaccine
drops from which to make it. I have used it ever since, and sent it
to many others who have also used it with success.
So I did not select a specific year - just got around to arranging
one in that year, and find it effective
The experiment has happened - inadvertently - several cat folks using
more recent versions have written to me to ask for some of mine as
the one they got seems not to work well :-(

[I do not have much left and have written to find out if the original
one made for us in the cat fancy is still available.]
Meantime I suggest folks buy the oldest illness remedies they can
find and keep those, they may well improve like fine wine:-)

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: [H] a link on homeo vaccination - in people and animals

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:23 am
by Irene de Villiers
Oh yes - I've read it in detail, and it is nicely confusing.
Those workshops are not ones he learned from - they are ones where he
arranged to take money to teach the workshops.

Show me where he went to LEARN homeopathy?

He has no formal training in homeopathy, and no degree of any sort in
it.
His only credential is DVM.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."